i have 10-20 video clips online.
They are useless and have never sold.

I dont feel like I should fight to express my views here. Its not fun.  I get nothing in return. Except for the discussion it self. Which is worthless.
Why should I qualify my competitors? and be scorned and be patronized and called "Bugman"

But what I can do is to repeat what I have said. We have a bunch of photographers here, who think, the light in the picture was important, could be bad light or good or better light. They think about image quality. They think the reviewers are bad, and their pictures should have gone through, because of the quality and the light.

I say, it is not what this game is about. Its about grabbing licence rights, distributing them and even redistribute them as middlemens middlemen. Its endless. Its exploitation. But thats another story.
And you talk about focus, where you should focus (ha ha) on keywords and never ever, take a photo because of the light, but only because of the keywords.

So  I did it again, explained, educated my competitors, how stupid is that. And Ill even get minuses for doing it. Halleluja. Foolish of me.

Jeez. You guys really only want to sit and whine.
Can you not see it?

It is not about you and your pictures, they mean nothing. Art is not important. Light isnt either.
Nothing is. Photography is only a mean to put amounts of sellable data online.

Only marketability is important. Keywords and substance in form of pictures. The better connected they are, the more sales.

And yes, you can make me go away by giving me minusses and you can continue uploading meaningless coastlines and whine instead of finding out.
That coastline Mantis did, has NO KEYWORDS!

what interface?

I was so totally annoyed every time I saw the man with the antenna and  "I love uploading" that  I can still remember it after axing out istock 3 years ago.
I cant imagine they do it on purpose, but little details in their design shows their true arrogance.
Worst thing is that they dont know, they dont see it. They dont care, and their vision is fed from the Calgary garage and the massage chair down at floor 3 in the building while looking at one of theeir own imprisoned heros and NOT their contributors from out in the world.
 

Dont waste your time and enthusiasm.

Oh no.
Robin and Leo.
What an amateurish attempt to beat a dead horse.
Have you not learned anything from the previous experience?

You need a board of directors.
You need a clear vision.
You need to describe a way to the goals of that vision, milestones and procedures.
You need clear terms people can agree on.
You need to guarantee peoples code and integrity.
You need to guarantee your own integrety.

A photographers network could be a powerfull player in the business, but only if its structure is cemented in concrete, and that is physical as well as mental. Rules and rules and rules again. And shoot the trespassers.

You have not solved any of the problems that lead to the death of Symbiostiock 1.1

Plus you have to add socialism, and that leaves out all the americans.  "El pueblo unido jamais sera vencido".

I will not download an unknown zip file.
Please make the images accesable in jpg format via the net.

This is kind of an excistential discussion.
It is touching the mechanisms in society, and I have a few opinions, that I will not post here.

but I would like to add a few things:
You Americans seem to stirr the same old pot with rotten soup, and it is 100 years old. You have now come to a place in time and history where you cannot exploit nature more and have to exploit humans, being them domestic or abroad.

Thats a sad thing, to feed your greed on other people, and it happens a lot.

Now in Europe, we have been through some kind of evolution, from religious persecution to labour assotiations with endless wars in the background. Royalty and emperors have fallen, and are extinct now, but since we used up all our natural resources 1000 years ago we have found ways to control the exploitation of humans, else its simply not sustainable, we have had time to learn that.
But you guys in the New World havent, you sound like infants in a kindergarden, there are things that are not in your vocabulary, you are still in the exploit nature ot your neigbour faze. But you might just yet be coming our of it.

I live in a country where healthcare and education (universities) is free for everyone, and has been for at least 50 years.
That is good.
We have free healthcare, education and wellfare, meaning you get a place to live and money to support yourself if you cant otherwise.
So we have a strong net of security spread out underneat us. And it is a good thing, because although it costs in taxes, it evens out the differences and make people yeild more and be happier in the long run.
A good and simple point is that when people are educated and healthy, they can work better and produce more.
And that we do.
Cheers.

That seems to be it Jens, yeah, I know its horse drawn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpgM4ngTx_k

Exactly. When I see it I remember that I have seen those machines in use. After a grey ferguson back in 1963 or something.

We had these machines here also ( in Denmark, before ww2).
They are ment to lift up hay, so that air could come underneath and they work best if the hay yeild is good so there is a heavy load to lift, or kick, and if the hay is loose and intangled in itsellf, like if there are many small wines in it.
and hay would be heavy if it has been rained upon, so in wet climates they have a point.
A drawback is that they kick the flowers (?) of the grass and all the nutricients goes to waste.
So call it a hay turner, hay lifter or something, it must have had a name in English, as it had in Danish: " h�vender".

it happens to me all the time.
When you hit a trend.

Maybe I have misunderstood the whole thing or half misunderstood it.
However.
It is clear that the terms for reselling of our licences are getting worse for us.

But then again, it could be worse ,they could have begun to suck our blood, like istock did, and others, some without telling us, some pissing on us while they did it. Worst were the middlemens middlemen, that distributed our pictures the strangest of places.

Shutter at least tries to include their contributers, and they do not humiliate us.
And maybe who knows, it is they who know the market, and they might be right, and we might earn more.

For April I can I can see my that download numbers going down but the amount of money is going up, which has been a longtime trend, and maybe shutters expansioning the customer base is is not so much on selling subscriptions but selling really large amounts of images to big businesses on other terms.
I dont know, but I like it when my income goes up on a lesser effort, and it does.