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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock in the top 300
« on: October 27, 2006, 11:42 »
In my experience everyone and their aunt seem to know about iStock these days - even people not in the design/photography world. Far fewer people seem to be familiar with Shutterstock.

Oh ... and I don't have an Alexa toolbar either. Don't want one. A bit too much like 'Big Brother' for my taste.

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I went the other way.

I was with Alamy (and still am) but started selling RF through the micros too.

I still have more images with Alamy than any other agency and yet I earn more per month from IS and SS than I do with Alamy.

And it's a bit of a mistake to think that you only get 20c per image with the micros. If you push yourself and get some really good images up with them they'll sell again and again and again. So one good image can earn you 100s. (Just look at the How much has your best selling image made you? thread running at the same time as this one.)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Key Wording
« on: October 25, 2006, 01:46 »
Copying from what ... to what?

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Off Topic / Re: Using Picasa
« on: October 21, 2006, 15:24 »
Are you working on a JPG file and then saving it again as a JPG file?

If so, that will degrade the image each time you save it.

JPG is a 'lossy' compression format so, each time you save an image as a JPG file you lose a bit of information, no matter what program you use. It's a bit like photocopying a photocopy of a photocopy. Each time the image will get worse.

Best to work on images as RAW or TIF files and only save them as JPG as the very final step. And, if you need to make any further changes, go back to the original TIF file again.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: can't get onto shutterstock
« on: October 18, 2006, 03:58 »
Their review times seem to have got a lot longer, too.   >:(


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Microstock News / Re: Pixsy.com Image Indexing
« on: October 18, 2006, 00:20 »
I did a search on 'genesis' 'bible' 'beginning' not because I'm religious or anything (I'm not) but because my best-seller on iStock (with a flame) is a close-up shot of the first page of a Victorian bible.

The first image was an iStock one and was quite relevant. Not mine though  >:(  and one that has sold less than mine  :'(

After that, nothing but crap for several pages, including an astonishing number of verticals lying on their sides. The photographer hadn't even bothered to rotate the image.

I never did find mine. Got bored with the rubbish and gave up.

I can't see any serious image buyer using this.

 

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock -- organizing keywords and phrases?
« on: October 16, 2006, 13:57 »
...  lets say that before you added the phrase 'silly boy' if a buyer were to search "silly boy" the search engine would search for "silly AND boy". But now that you've added the phrase to their system, when anyone searchs for "silly boy" the system will only return the photos that have that exact phrase. It is normally a much smaller return.

Yeah, but is this good for us?

For example, you may have used the phrases 'stupid boy', 'foolish boy', 'crazy boy', 'silly kid', 'silly child', etc ... etc ... etc ... for your images. There are a dozen different ways of saying it.

And all of these images of yours may fit a buyer's need for a picture of a silly boy. But they'll be missed if the search engine homes in on just that original phrase.

If your image is in that smaller return, great!

But if it isn't because you've used a slightly different phrase ... ?

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No, there's no other benefits except that you can now apply for exclusivity ...

... if you consider that a 'benefit', given iStock's abysmal upload limits.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Uprezing files
« on: October 13, 2006, 16:54 »
One indisputable fact is that when you uprez an image, information is added to it because pixels are added.

That information has to come from somewhere, and the only place it can come from is the computer program calculating what the colour, brightness, etc. each new pixel should be.

The trouble is (as I see it) ... no computer program can take the place of a lens on a camera, focusing an image from a real scene.

So a number of those new pixels aren't going to be quite the right colour, brightness, etc.


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Dont know how the micro sites will tell it has been upsized ...

Good question. Anyone know the answer?

Alamy are tough on dust spots on the sensor, or stray hairs, but they require upsizing which must also add something extraneous to the image. Da**ed if I can see what it is.

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Crestock.com / Re: Crestock
« on: October 13, 2006, 00:25 »
Yes people have payout at creestock.

fred

Can you give any more details? How do you know this?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Model Release
« on: October 12, 2006, 17:03 »

... On the bottom it asks "*Please include a copy of picture identification to verify identity.  P.O. Boxes will not be accepted.  Complete as many fields as possible."

I've never done this photo-id part before.  Is it necessary?  ...

I've no idea what that means. It's confusing. Does it mean:

   a) A picture of the model to verify who was photographed.

   b) A picture of the photographer, to verify who took the picture.

   c) A picture of the picture to verify which one the model release refers to.

I simply ignored it, edited it out of my 'generic' model release, and have had no problems at all.

This was probably put in by some lawyer, earning him/herself a few more bucks.   ;)

As for P.O. boxes, I've no idea what to do about that. Doesn't your house have an address of some sort, or other identification (even if it isn't used for mail deliery).


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Alamy.com / Re: New search engine - Yay!
« on: October 10, 2006, 16:45 »
...  it has to do with the amount if images you have online ...

Can you say what it has to do with the amount of images, Tyler? Is it better if you have more? Or worse?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Model Release
« on: October 10, 2006, 15:39 »
I use a generic release for the agencies I submit to and they've all accepted it.

Actually it's the iStock text (which seemed to be the most comprehensive), cut and pasted into Word to get rid of their logo and then edited to get rid of any other textual reference to them.

It would be way too much of a hassle to have a different form for each agency for one picture. Imagine it ... the model signing 5 ... 6 ... 7 ... different release forms after a shoot and then getting each one witnessed.

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Alamy.com / Re: New search engine - Yay!
« on: October 10, 2006, 15:31 »
Oh boy! That's an awful system. I didn't know that. So, presumably, my fiddling about with keywords was a useless exercise.

I must admit, I wondered about other people's keywording on Alamy. Some contributors seemed to have almost no keywords. And others had huge numbers of keywords in the 'description' field and nothing in the keywords field. I wondered why the did it and if anyone found their images that way.

But, I guess, if they were agencies and in the first rank, they didn't care. Their images would rise to the top anyway.

I must go back and look to see if those weird keyworders are agencies.

The other thing that I discovered with my 'fiddling about' last week was that my images came up in different places depending on whether I was logged in or not. When I searched for my green bottle image and I was logged in it came up quite near the top. If I was not logged in, using the same keywords, it came on the last page. Guess I must have been in rank 3   :'(

Whatever ... something definitely seems to have changed with them, and I'm happy about that.   :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: my first flame.... FINALLY!!!
« on: October 10, 2006, 12:52 »
Amazing image! You shouldn't have to wait long for that flame. Congratulations.

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Alamy.com / Re: New search engine - Yay!
« on: October 10, 2006, 12:50 »
Yes, I continue to upload to Alamy (Actually, send them CDs. They don't have an online upload feature yet).

Boy! People complain about iStock being slow at inspecting images. Alamy's even slower. They still haven't done a batch of images I sent them a month ago.   ;D

I just hang in there.

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Alamy.com / New search engine - Yay!
« on: October 10, 2006, 04:22 »
Wey-hey! Something's changed with the Alamy search engine.    :)

It's always been a mystery to me how it came up with images from a search. I've a simple image of a green poison bottle, isolated on white, which I've been playing about with, trying to suss out the ranking order, and work out ways of moving myself up closer to the top. Nothing seemed to work.

Last week, entering the 3 keywords 'green', 'poison' and 'bottle' put me way down towards the bottom of the two pages of images that came up, after a whole slew of images of firemen putting out a car fire (what's that got to do with green poison bottles?)

Now, suddenly, exactly the same search puts me on the second row of the first page, and the firemen have been relegated to the bottom.

Yay!   ;D

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Strange Sales Rates
« on: October 10, 2006, 00:35 »
Are you continuing to upload to SS?

There's a noticeable phenomenon with them, if you don't continue to upload new images your sales drop off. It's to do with the way their search engine works, I believe.

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Microstock News / Re: Now Available: The $100 Buyout
« on: October 09, 2006, 16:10 »
There's a thread right now in SS about a guy who found his image on the cover of a magazine and he's thrilled - yet he got probably $20 tops (if he got an Extened license for it) but most likely got $0.25.

Yes. I read that guy's post. I must admit, I think I'd probably feel a bit sick if that happened with one of my images. Front cover of a big-circulation US magazine for maximum $20 (and probably only 25c)!

But think of these points:

1.  He'd still only get $20 (or 25c) for that. Why? Well, the magazine was legally able to buy the use of it for that purpose at that price. So why would they pay more by buying the picture outright? In other words, it doesn't make any difference.

2.  Even after that usage he can still sell the image again and again. That's something that people overlook in this game. I get people saying. "What! You sell a picture for 25c! Are you crazy?" But what they don't understand is that a good picture will sell again and again and again at that price. And may even pick up several $20 extended use payments, too. You only need 5 of those to match up to what you may sell the image outright for.

You could end up selling a the rights to a picture that would earn you far more in the long run, especially as you can have it with a number of agencies.

As you've already observed, you never can tell which pictures are going to be the biggies. I've had extended sales on the most weird pictures, some which I even hesitated about uploading (one was of a jumbled pile of wood ends that I took on the spur of the moment.)

And there's a guy over on Alamy who's just sold a picture of some ropes and climbing shackles (carabiners, I think they're called) that he took on the spur of the moment too ... and he sold it for $6'800 to a bank for their advertising, but he still keeps the copyright.







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Microstock News / Re: Now Available: The $100 Buyout
« on: October 09, 2006, 00:42 »
...  I read all the time in the forums about how surprised people are at which image is their best seller. So who could really know what the right price is? ...

You've said it there, Maunger. That's why I'd never sell all rights for $100. You think 'Wow! Why does they want to buy this image?' You sell it for $100 and then you see it used in a major advertising campaign and realise you could have got thousands for it.

That 'bird in the hand' proverb is a dangerous one as far as artists go (and I class photographers as artists. We're creative people)

Can you bargain with them? You can bet that any buyer is going to want to get the picture for the lowest possible price. See how high they'll go. How they really value it.

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Off Topic / Re: Need a advice.... please
« on: October 09, 2006, 00:12 »
I know this is closing the stable door after the horse has bolted, and is no use to you now, Lizard. But, if anyone else ever drops their camera in salt water the best thing you can do as first aid is rinse it off with loads and loads of clean fresh water as soon as possible afterwards.

Okay ... so it sounds drastic, but it's the salt which is the major damaging agent. You've got to get rid of it, fast. And your camera is already soaked.

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Microstock News / Re: Now Available: The $100 Buyout
« on: October 08, 2006, 14:57 »
JEEEZ! I would never, ever, sell all rights to an image for 100 measley bucks.

1.  It shows that I don't value my work at all

2.  If someone wants to buy all rights it means they must consider the photo valuable or unique. So they should pay the creator well for it, just as they'd have to pay anyone else who has created something valuable or unique.

3.  Already, the people who make the really big money out of this are the ones who sell our photos on ... the owners/shareholders of the agencies. Let's not do ourselves down as the creators of the foundations on which their wealth is built.

4.  History is littered with artists/creators who have sold their work for a pittance. And those same works have later sold for millions. (Not that I'm saying any of our work will sell for millions. But a few thousand? It is possible. Believe it!)

Value your work. if you don't, no one else will.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: And again all rejected by istock
« on: October 08, 2006, 14:45 »
I,ve had all my vector images rejected with no reason other then: Were sorry, but we did not find this file suitable as stock
They are my bestsellers on other sites ! Nothing wrong with them, I find that strange..

It's not really strange at all when you consider that assessment of an image is a highly subjective process. Unlike in some disciplines where there is a right and a wrong, no such thing exists in photography (provided the exposure, focus and other technical details are correct). What works for one person does not work for another.

I love coffee. My wife hates it. Who's right? Who's wrong?

So it seems that, with that rejection statement, IS was simply saying your photos didn't work for them. There's no arguing against that. You just have to shrug your shoulders and get on with it.

I think they inspect files at 200 % instead of 100% with photos, i really can't see anything wrong at 100 %
All of my photos are optimal at 100 %

(Beats head against wall.) But they weren't saying anything was wrong, were they?

You have to learn to live with subjective rejections if you want to be in this business. They don't mean a thing.

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Another question, which has always given me hassle (which is why I have used clipping paths). How do you completely isolate an object on white?

Example:

Say you want to take a photograph of a green bottle isolated on white. The bottle has to stand on something. And it seems to me that no matter how hard you try with lights, you won't be able to avoid a bit of a shadow where it is standing.

In the past I have used clipping paths to knock that shadow out. But am I missing something obvious?




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