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Adobe Stock / Re: Custom License as low as $0.29 now?
« on: Yesterday at 17:51 »
Ive been watching todays sales and have seen a bunch of $0.40 custom royalties (plus the higher tier at $1.02).

Probably shouldnt complain - is anyone else seeing $0.40 custom royalties as well as $0.30?

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Happy 6th anniversary.

I'll second the advice you heard earlier about scaling back on the love for Adobe Stock (or any of the agencies). In September I'll celebrate my 20th anniversary of contributing to microstock. I've been in love and had my (virtual) heart broken multiple times with multiple agencies.

None of the agencies, least of all Adobe Stock, have contributor's interests at heart. We are just a small part of their software subscription universe. At the moment, they're trying to convince investors that Adobe is an AI "winner"; investors were worried that subscription income will nosedive as a result of the rise of AI tools. It's been a rocky path for them (and the stock price is way down from the $638.25 peak earlier in the year).

This article from Friday seems to be on point - but perhaps read it tomorrow so you don't cloud your anniversary with not-very-positive views:

https://petapixel.com/2024/05/03/adobe-throws-photographers-under-the-bus-again-skip-the-photoshoot/

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Envato / Re: Envato acquired by Shutterstock
« on: May 04, 2024, 14:49 »
"At this point they have no more contributor royalties to loot and had better hope one of these other bets pays off"
I wouldn't be so sure of that, royalties can always go lower and the minimum payout can go down to 5 cent or even 1 cent.

I should have phrased that better: Looting contributor royalties more won't give them enough money to fill in the drop in income from operations - the royalties are already so low.

I compared both FY 2023 to 2022 and also Q1 2024 to Q1 2023.

In the FY comparison, income from operations declined 27% over the prior year, to $68.4m. With 153m paid downloads, if they took another $0.05 from contributor royalties from each that would net them $7.65m which would result in $76.05m income from operations and a 19% decline from the previous year.

For Q1 2024 vs Q1 2023, income from operations declined 51% to $16.121m and with 35m paid downloads, taking another $0.05 gets them $1.75m to boost income from operations to $17.871 and only a 46% decline

If SS took $0.08 more from royalties they can improve that to declines of 14% and 42% - better but still not an increase in income.

Doesn't mean they wouldn't try additional royalty cuts if desperate, but there's no easy path to pleasing investors left given how low royalties are already and how much paid downloads have decreased.

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Envato / Re: Envato acquired by Shutterstock
« on: May 04, 2024, 11:44 »
While I'm not disputing that their growth is definitely slowing, there's not really anything in this chart that gives the impression they are ''going bust''.

If you compare their Q1 2019 revenue from licensing content to Q1 2024 - i.e. 5 years ago, where you'd expect to see a lot of growth, especially considering all the companies they've acquired since then - they're essentially flat. $163.3m in 2019 versus $173.8m in 2024

Paid downloads 2019 were 47.2 million versus 35m in 2024. The size of the collection has grown (832m versus 275m). For number of subscribers I have a Q1 2020 number of 209m versus 499m in 2024

They've been trying to plug the growth hole with acquisitions and still end up flat. I noted all the frothy exuberance about the new DDS business in the earnings call; that and Envato are their latest efforts to get back to growth.

At this point they have no more contributor royalties to loot and had better hope one of these other bets pays off


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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe has blocked my account
« on: May 03, 2024, 14:53 »
On the Discord server we have a rule that blocked accounts are not to be discussed. One of the reasons for this is because it instills too much fear in contributors who have nothing to fear. Another reason is that no-one can help you other than contacting Support using the link they have provided.

But apparently support cannot or doesn't help either. This contributor still has no idea why the account was blocked, and this is the first report here of not getting an answer.

As a long time contributor, what I find deeply distressing is the complete lack of responsiveness. Not talking about all the people who are "disappeared" smacks of scary dictatorships, not a place I'd like to be.

But I'm happy that milo22 has been let out of detention.

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Envato / Re: Envato acquired by Shutterstock
« on: May 03, 2024, 14:39 »
I would guess DepositPhotos, as Dreamstime and 123rf are taking AI images and they don't want that.

DepositPhotos was acquired in 2021 by VistaPrint (a subsidiary of Cimpress). Even though their latest quarterly report wasn't great, the Vista section is the biggest part of the company and I can't imagine a sale would be cheap at this point.

In Shutterstock's earnings call yesterday they talked up the continued growth of their data licensing business. That was growing (big percentage but small actual cash) whereas the "Content" revenue was down 10%. To put that in context, the $20m growth in DDS (data licensing) was just about equal to the $20m decline in content revenue - but a 90% increase sounds so much more impressive when talking the business up to investors.

What Shutterstock needs is a huge amount of new (well keyworded) content to grow their data licensing business. I'd take a guess that Deposit Photos is largely an overlap with SS's existing collection and so of no real value to them.

I think they're way off base with their projections for growing the DDS business, largely because big as their library is, it is way too small for many/most of the training uses. From the earnings call:

"On the supply side, to match the demand we are seeing for data, we are focused on growing our base of contributors and the depth and breadth and size of our library. Our contributor base has increased by over 40% to 3.4 million in the past year alone, and our library growth is accelerating, growing 34% to almost 900 million assets in the last 12 months. We have never seen contributors in data grow this fast and we believe that the flywheel is spinning faster. "

Again from the earnings call, they see Envato as a feed into their DDS business as well as revenue from the $16.50 a month unlimited subscriptions:

"The acquisition adds an extremely talented contributor community who have brought a diverse library of 6 million videos, 1 million audio clips, 500,000 design templates, 300,000 3D models, 200,000 graphics and fonts, and 10 million images, all of which have tremendous potential value for both our creative content customers and our data customers."

One of the analyst questions was about a possible deal with Apple (who is still in the starting blocks with regard to AI) and whether that would increase the expected revenue from DDS: "And then on the DDS business, is $60 million still the right number to think about for Computer Vision? There were some rumors that an Apple deal was signed early in the quarter. ". SS wouldn't say anything specific about a deal with Apple.

Paul Hennessy replying to a question talks about Envato and the DDS business:

"On the Envato question, more content. I talked about the growth in content in our core business; more content, diversified content, specific content that we may not have is all great opportunities to grow our data business, and theres interest from data partners in wide varieties of content and as much as we can give them. So were seeing real change in that market where we are wondering if people would be demanding all product types and were actually seeing a level of insatiable desire for a diversity of content types with all sorts of levels of specificity increasing. So were bullish."

Another analyst asked about growth in the contributor base and library (separately from the Envato acquisition) and Hennessy produced this totally content free buzzword salad:

"And regarding the contributors, our content growth, the scale, organic and otherwise, what I can tell you is as our business evolves from purely serving the needs of advertisers and folks that would have more traditional use for our content, as we opened up the aperture to include accepting content for data, the market follows that trend. And so now were seeing demand and supply pouring in, relating to giving us content across content types and across content use cases. So we think that that flywheel spins very, very nicely for in our favor and is actually spinning faster because as we have more content, that theoretically helps our conversion rate because weve got more to offer our customers that are have more traditional use, that creates a broader opportunity for our data buyers."

So now you know! :)

Edited after the US stock market close to add that SSTK (Shutterstock) closed down over 6% at $39.22, pretty close to their 52-week low. I'm guessing the investment community isn't as excited as Mr. Hennessy.

The heady days of a stock price at $121 in October 2021 - courtesy of that "margin optimization" (aka pilfering contributor's royalties) seem to have been unsustainable. Couldn't happen to a more deserving company.

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Envato / Re: Envato acquired by Shutterstock
« on: May 02, 2024, 10:33 »
I may have missed some (I did a google search for "shutterstock acquires") but here are Shutterstock's purchases over the years. They haven't acquired Envato yet (Q3 this year according to the press release). SS sold WebDAM Feb 16, 2018

Feb 1, 2024 - Shutterstock Acquires Backgrid Celebrity News Network

May 24, 2023 - Shutterstock acquires Giphy

May 11, 2022 Shutterstock Acquires Pond5 for $210 Million

May 31, 2022 SHUTTERSTOCK ACQUIRES SPLASH NEWS

Sep 10, 2021 Shutterstock Acquires PicMonkey

Jul 27, 2021  - Shutterstock acquires Pattern89, Datasine, and Shotzr

Jan 26, 2021 - Shutterstock acquires the 3D model company TurboSquid

Nov 11, 2020 - Shutterstock acquires AI-driven music platform Amper Music.

Jun 28, 2017 - Shutterstock acquires Flashstock Technology

Sep 6, 2016 - Shutterstock Acquires Iconic Imagery from The Kobal Collection and The Art Archive

Jan 15, 2015 - Shutterstock Acquires Rex Features And PremiumBeat,

Mar 3, 2014 - Shutterstock Acquires Digital Asset Management Service WebDAM

Sep 23, 2009 - Shutterstock Announces Acquisition of BigStockPhoto


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Envato / Re: Envato acquired by Shutterstock
« on: May 02, 2024, 07:49 »
When you can't grow your core business, acquire another company :) SS announced their Q1 2024 earnings this morning and most of the numbers were lower than Q1 2023. The stock was higher (market hasn't oopened yet) I think because they beat analyst estimates, not so much because anything was really good.

Look at their presentation on why acquiring Envato is good for SS

https://investor.shutterstock.com/static-files/2ec3aa7b-1877-45b1-9be6-3fa663cc64b2

If you look at the chart where they brag it will more than double subscriber numbers, they show it's currently 499k (end of Q1 2024). At the end of 2022 it was 586k. It's more like plugging the hole and trying to avoid further drops...

https://investor.shutterstock.com/news-releases/news-release-details/shutterstock-reports-first-quarter-2024-financial-results

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-enters-into-definitive-agreement-to-acquire-envato-featuring-envato-elements-the-unlimited-creative-content-subscription-302134019.html

Look at the paid download numbers - down to 35m from 42.7m in Q1 2023, and subscriber revenue down from $90.6m to $83.9m

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Somewhat gloomy headline on a Wall Street Journal (paywall) story today:

"The Last Stock Photographers Await Their Fate Under Generative AI
Digital photography ravaged the business of taking and licensing commercial photos. Some fear AI will kill it off entirely."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-last-stock-photographers-await-their-fate-under-generative-ai-822d1e6a?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1

I think the real situation is more complex than the story suggests. But some quotes:

"The companies that broker stock imagery say doom-mongering is unfounded. Consumers are still proving hostile toward AI-generated images, and so are marketers looking to convey an air of authenticity, according to executives. Real photos of real things are still in demand, said Paul Hennessy, CEO of stock photography provider Shutterstock, on an earnings call in February. We are not seeing our customers at any level of scale with a desire to buy, purchase and utilize AI-generated images, Hennessy said."

"The biggest companies in stock photography take the same line. AI imagery sometimes looks uncanny or fake, and most consumers and customers want the real thing, they say. Stock companies AI models will also require a stream of fresh photos to remain up-to-date, especially when it comes to images of new technologies and current events, said Rebecca Swift, Getty Images global head of creative."

Ms Swift says "...AI is unlikely to diminish stock photographers pay any further because companies including Getty have to keep prices high enough to maintain their own operations"

What I think she meant to say is that when you pay $0.01 and $0.02 royalties as Getty/iStock currently does, you can't reduce it much more because it's already so close to zero!!

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Adobe Stock / Re: Custom License as low as $0.29 now?
« on: May 01, 2024, 16:21 »
Today's custom royalty levels are both up and down - $1.01 (versus $1.03 yesterday), $0.31 and $0.39.

 It's hard to match these tiers up with past royalties, but I think what is now $0.39 was $0.42 back in Dec 2023

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Adobe Stock / Re: Custom License as low as $0.29 now?
« on: April 30, 2024, 11:33 »
I thought it'd be interesting to see how much the Adobe Stock collection has grown over the last couple of years and although I don't have exact matches, I do have stats I kept for the collection from 26 Apr 2022, 24 Apr 2023 and 30 Apr 2024.

In general, if your port doesn't grow as fast as the collection does (all other things being equal with your port, which in practice it never is) your income will fall. The day isn't over yet, but for me, April 2024 looks roughly 4-5% down on 2023.

I first looked at the overall (all asset types) growth, but then decided to exclude video because removing the Pond5 collection during that time shrank Adobe Stock's video (it's now about 19.5 million compared to 24.5 million in April 2022)

The everything-but-video collection grew 14.7% 2022-3 and 31.5% 2023-24

In light of that - and the fact that my portfolio grew only slightly in the last year - earnings being 4-5% lower this April doesn't seem as bad as it did :)

I still think the unlimited stock assets subscriptions are a blight on contributors,  but Adobe apparently likes them as there are more different "custom" royalty groups each month


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Adobe Stock / Re: Custom License as low as $0.29 now?
« on: April 29, 2024, 06:40 »
Today I see custom licenses at $0.31 and $1.03 - versus Fridays $0.32 and $1.06

As there is no minimum royalty, the more images are used in these packages, the less we receive

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Adobe Stock / Re: Custom License as low as $0.29 now?
« on: April 26, 2024, 07:53 »
It keeps going down, $0.28 now...

That's not good; I am puzzled that I've seen lots more of the $0.32 custom royalties, but nothing lower. I did note that today's royalty rate on the higher end custom royalties was up to $1.06 (from $1.05 for the last few days). Not back to the $1.37 from January, but still nice to see something going up instead of down :)

Do you see any of the $1.06 custom royalties?

Mat Hayward had written that the royalty rates for the unlimited subscriptions were calculated daily based on total purchase volume - which I would have expected to be the same worldwide, but perhaps that's not the case. I'm in the US; are. you? (I know people had said this isn't a tax withholding issue).

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Adobe Stock / Re: Custom License as low as $0.29 now?
« on: April 22, 2024, 10:23 »
I've been tracking royalty changes at Adobe Stock for a while - started because of the "unlimited" packages where there is no floor on our royalties; we get 33% of the customers' calculated price-equivalent.

This month I saw a $0.32 royalty for the first time - previous low was $0.33 and those had been rare (March 2024 there were just 3)

April has seen custom royalties all over the place (although I haven't seen any $0.29 cent ones yet) but some of that has been good news as the higher end of custom royalties has gone up from the $0.90-0.99 range to $1.00-1.05.

In March there were zero royalties in the $1-$2 range and 35% of my month's total was from the $0.90-$0.99 range (average $0.97)

In April so far, 28% of my total has been from the $1-$2 range (average $1.04) and there's still 20% of the month's total in the $0.90-0.99 (average $0.99)

Overall RPD for April is $0.74 versus $0.65 for March

I don't see any reason for long-term optimism about income from Adobe Stock - they will discount "assets" to keep their creative product subscriptions competitive and Canva is clearly gunning for that business too (purchasing Affinity's software is exhibit A). Contributors have no meaningful protection from aggressive discounting and we don't benefit from increased usage by unlimited customers.

However, at the moment there are still enough higher end custom royalties to make April decent.

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I had missed this last month:

https://www.freepikcompany.com/newsroom/freepik-reimagine/

Freepik's AI collection is already much bigger than Adobe's (84.27m versus 60.8m this morning). I don't know how well it works in practice, but the idea is really appealing "... to allow users to upload a picture and instantly receive a unique and exclusive prompt. With this prompt, users can easily interact with the image and make changes." You find something that's close and use AI to get what you need - no need to figure out the basics of a good prompt as that's done for you.

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...So what about  69,151.50 is on one image?

I multiplied 6050 images x a charge to the OP of 11.43 for one image to arrive at the 69k figure for legal costs to date.

From the email the OP posted:

"To frame your expectations your liability for costs incurred to date in connection with these claims (1 of the 6050 images removed as part of the injunction compliance to date) stands at 11.43."

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I am no longer with Alamy (terminated in Jan 2022) but I went to look at the clause in the contributor agreement regarding indemnifying Alamy

(Emphasis mine)
"5. Indemnities
5.1. You will indemnify, defend (at the request of Alamy) and hold Alamy and its affiliates, Customers, Distributors, sub-licensees and assigns (the Indemnified Parties) harmless against any and all claims, damages, liabilities, losses, costs and expenses (including reasonable legal expenses) which any of the Indemnified Parties incur arising from or in in relation to: (i) any claim that the Content or Metadata infringes any third partys copyright or any other intellectual property right (ii) any breach of your representations, obligations and warranties under this Contract or the System. This clause will remain in force after the termination of this Contract."

I assume the dispute with Axel Springer is over 5.1(i) - I looked online for information about this lawsuit but didn't find anything. Not sure how an editorial image could infringe a copyright or other IP - did the original email say anything about the details of the dispute?

Where a contributor has breached a representation, recouping legal costs from earnings seems reasonable, but if all representations were accurate and Alamy decided to represent the work, charging the contributor for legal expenses seems out of line - that's Alamy's cost of doing business.

I never had any images with any of Axel Springer's papers, but my reading of clause 5 suggests that if I had, Alamy could come after me for a contribution to their legal bills even if I had terminated the contract. Good luck trying to collect though. My concern would be that lawyers are exceedingly expensive and that the current deduction could only be the start of it if Alamy keeps going. And the contributor has no control over Alamy's actions in the case

The letter suggests that to date they've only spent 69,151.50 - a couple of letters and a few meetings...

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Adobe Stock / Re: Filter Adobe Port for AI only?
« on: April 15, 2024, 15:53 »
Adobe hasn't provided us with a user interface for this feature, but you can do it by editing the URL

See a post I made earlier:

https://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/what's-your-weekly-ranking-and-how-many-images/msg600772/#msg600772

You can look at search URLs for syntax examples, but after the URL there is one question mark and then additional filters are prefaced with an ampersand, so for transparent images sorted by downloads in my portfolio you'd use:

https://stock.adobe.com/contributor/4221/jo-ann-snover?&filters%5Btransparent%5D=only&order=nb_downloads

If you wanted to see everything except transparent images it would be =exclude versus =only

Some of the things you might find useful:

&filters%5Bgentech%5D=only

&order=creation

&order=nb_downloads

&order=relevance

&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Azip_vector%5D=1

&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aillustration%5D=1

&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aimage%5D=1

&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Aphoto%5D=1

&filters%5Bcontent_type%3Avideo%5D=1

&filters%5Bis_editorial%5D=1

&filters%5Billustrative%5D=include

&filters%5Btransparent%5D=only

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Bloomberg article about Adobe Firefly training - "Adobes Ethical Firefly AI Was Trained on Midjourney Images"

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/adobe-ethical-firefly-ai-trained-123004288.html

PetaPixel via Bloomberg:

https://petapixel.com/2024/04/11/adobe-will-buy-your-videos-for-up-to-7-25-per-minute-to-train-ai-report/

Bloomberg: "Adobe Inc. has begun to procure videos to build its artificial intelligence text-to-video generator, trying to catch up to competitors after OpenAI demonstrated a similar technology."

More interesting, especially in light of the first article is one of the comments (emphasis mine):

"I just realized what this actually means. It's mostly marketing. Clever marketing.
They can't possibly gather enough material in a timeframe that can compete with simply scraping or buying in bulk. While they wait for volunteers to upload content, the other AI companies will have stolen the entire Internet twice over (which is what I think they are also doing, behind the scenes).
This is made to become product differentiation at launch.
And it's impossible to check the numbers (creators, video time etc) because it's confidential.

Brilliant.
PS: they can use the material they gather through this method, it is useful, but it's just too little. This method provides protection in the case of overfitting, or it can be used to produce better results by referencing more aggressively."

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...I am clear that I do not have to pay taxes since the agencies already pay them through the 30% withholding, but...

I am a US resident and am not an expert in tax law or the IRS, but I wanted to clarify what you said about withholding.

Taxes are owed on the basis of your return, filed with the IRS. The return will show the calculation of total tax owed and also the amount already withheld during the tax year. If there is a difference, you either pay the extra or get a refund.

There is no correspondence between what you owe and what was withheld - although it's important to try and have the right amount withheld to avoid incurring penalties for underpayment during the tax year. So you could owe more than the 30% withheld and the only way to know that is complete a return.

My suggestion is that you get whoever helped you to set up the LLC to help with the tax issues - or recommend an accountant to do it.

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I feel there is STILL something wrong( despite negative earnings). I am missing ALL the sales from US on my iS earnings graph in February ( I see them in pdf ). How about you?

I just tried out the stats features in DeepMeta4 (it's in beta but that part is working). It needs the text file version of your stats (not the PDF) and then produces much better graphs than anything on the Getty ESP site. It also handles refunds correctly - i.e. shows that they are refunds rather than just muddling them with new sales.

https://deepmeta.creativ.zone/


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Hi Matt,
Went to check now and I have 500+ downloads, and 30+ uploads in 2023.
However, I did not get my redeem code. I went to double check my upload approval, and most of them occurred in January, even though the files were uploaded  early December.
Is this supposed to be like this? Do I not qualify because of that?
I thought the rule was "images uploaded in 2023". :(

https://helpx.adobe.com/stock/contributor/help/royalty-details.html

From the above (emphasis mine):

"An active contributor is an Adobe Stock contributor with at least twenty (20) submitted and approved qualifying assets in 2023."

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Curious why still the views, interactions and downloads have not been updated. Probably because it will reveal a huge discrepancy.

Kelvin Jay's post on this was that it's a separate technical problem, only affecting some contributors (mine haven't updated either). Someone will resolve this next week...

I have, effectively, a report on all my February downloads from the royalty statements along with payment. I'd rather be missing the list with pictures of the downloaded files than the payment :)

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Regardless of the explanation there is a problem, I never go under $150 a month and feb it shows $5 for the month. I do not believe my warnings can drop like that and iStock owe a lot of money to a lot of people for February. Everyone should raise a ticket.

If you had royalties of $155 for February and refunds for $150 (from all those November licenses that were refunded), that'd leave you with $5 net. Your earnings probably didn't drop (if you exclude the refunds)

Getty's charts are useless and are incorrectly showing your percentages of February's total sales. They are tallying the negative refunds with the positive sales and presenting the net result. In my case they stay Premium Access was 31% of my February total, but it was actually 40% if you just count the royalties for February and not the November refunds.

When you look at your royalty statement (the PDF), do you see a bunch of licenses that are negative numbers?

Look in the Getty forums - Kelvin Jay has provided a statement and said there's no need to raise a ticket as they know about the problem. I doubt ticket responses will provide anything useful as an answer :)

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In addition to the comments above about how outrageous this vague explanation is, I noted (and posted about it in the Getty forum) the strange wording about  "...low-resolution image use...". What exactly is that and why is it free?

And the icing on the cake is not notifying contributors ahead of time about this mess. Did they think we wouldn't notice?

I had to modify my spreadsheet where I track this stuff to correctly count downloads as only those items where the sale amount is >0 as bundling (in my case 10) refunds in with the licenses really makes a mess of the totals, RPD, etc.

Unfortunately Todayis20 makes the same naive assumption :)

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