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General Photography Discussion / Re: Help me understand color space
« on: September 27, 2011, 23:40 »
In addition to doing the general reading about the issue, it isn't clear to me whether or not you have a completely color managed environment.

What that means is that every device (printer, monitor, scanner) is calibrated so you have a profile for it that describes how it displays or reads color values. Every file has an embedded profile that says which color space the values in that file were recorded in - and that should ideally not be a device profile (like your monitor's profile) but Adobe RGB, ProPhoto, sRGB; one of the device independent color spaces.

Every piece of software that displays images should be set so that it reads color profiles and embeds them in files it saves (and Photoshop should be set to complain about missing profiles or mismatches with your default color space).

When you work this way, you'll know if you're opening something that has no embedded profile (which means you have to guess). What you should do, in your editor (PSP?) is assign (not convert) the Samsung profile to the images you got from the lab, and then convert them to the working space of sRGB.

Assigning a profile leaves the color values in the file alone and just tries interpreting them using the profile you assign. If you get that wrong - if you take an AdobeRGB image and open it as if it were sRGB, all the reds go dull and the flesh tones look awful - just try another profile until the image looks good.

Converting to a different profile (which you should only do once you've figured out which color space is closest to right) changes the color values in the file but the look on the screen shouldn't change at all. If you imagine a bright red color is displayed on the monitor, that might be 250 in sRGB and 254 in AdobeRGB (I'm just making up numbers). As long as the profile gets written into the image when you save it (which you must do after changing the color profile) the next person who opens it will see what you saw.

I'm assuming Irfanview was faithfully using the embedded Samsung profile, so the images looked good. I don't know anything about PSP, so I don't know how to make it honor the embedded profile on open and convert to sRGB after, but I'm sure you can find the help for that somewhere :)

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@photoagogo Chad's a spokesperson for Fotolia, not a policy maker. Characterizing him versus the policy is what I think changes fair commentary into an insult.

Several people have made the point that Fotolia's commissions are among the lowest anywhere and those posts have stayed. I think we can say everything that needs to be said, plainly, without characterizing the messenger.

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Photo Critique / Re: How old do you have to be to start learning?
« on: September 27, 2011, 15:21 »
If the 3 year old were asked why he wanted to learn about photography, what would the answer be?

Seems to me (my own kids are older now, but I do recall them dabbling in photography with a camera) that kids that age just want pictures of where they've been and friends/family. In other words the interest is in remembering the moment, not in the making of a photograph. As such a good smart phone or rugged point and shoot would do all they need.

I think it'd be the rare 3 year old that could learn about the technical issues of getting a shot or composition. Depending on his answer about why he wants to learn, perhaps that isn't really what he wants just yet. Not to mention the size of their hands around larger cameras - is yours a point and shoot or DSLR?

Perhaps you could do things as a team - he says what he wants to photograph, you set up the camera given the circumstances and let him take the shot. If he doesn't like something about what he takes, ask what he wanted instead and then talk about how to get that. You set the camera up again, he takes another shot and then he can compare. I'd suggest no flash at all at the beginning as it's just one more thing to learn about.

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The reason Shutterstock is so regularly at the top of the earnings poll is that they deliver top earnings month after month - they don't have the same high return per download that (for example) iStock does, but they deliver volume. The winning mix isn't determined by price or commission level alone, but that in combination with sales volume.

For Fotolia to try and starve other agencies for content by taking action against contributors who sell at other sites seems like a double edged sword sort of action to me. Given how low Fotolia's rates have become, suppose Getty/iStock pulled a similar move but targeted Fotolia as the offending agency?

If the agencies start waging this sort of war with one another - scorched earth is a phrase that comes to mind - with hapless contributors caught in the middle, where does it end? When there's only one agency left?

As someone else said earlier, the primary reason big contributors have started supporting some of the newer smaller agencies is because they're trying to maintain income levels as the bigger agencies greedily took more of the pie for themselves.

This isn't about fairness at all. And even though I don't contribute to Fotolia any more, it worries me that this sort of tactic will be taken up by others to the detriment of us all.

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Ah - thanks for posting. Not sure it'd matter if they remove a largely content free post :)

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Don't know how long this will stay up:
http://us.fotolia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=36247


Those of us who don't have accounts at Fotolia can't read that (even IS lets those not logged in read the forums even if they can't post). Is it short enough you can cut and paste here?

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Veer / Re: veer subs
« on: September 26, 2011, 21:53 »
I appreciate a Veer representative coming in to try and explain what's planned, but I just don't buy the view of how things will work that they're trying to sell.

It's not as if this is the first subscription plan, and it's not the first to try something other than a fixed download per sale. When Inmagine started up 123rf they briefly tried this 50% of the royalty pool approach, but the low amounts per download had contributors very unhappy and they ended up implementing a floor amount.

iStock's subscription plan has a pool notion, with a floor amount. Even if we ignored the EL issue (and I have no idea what comparable sites you can be looking at that you think what Veer is proposing fits what other sites offer - outside of Photodune, no one else is offering extra rights that cheap), experience says that your idea of 9 downloads a day just isn't how it will work and that contributors will see a lot of those "outlier" royalties.

What makes Veer think that their 9 downloads a day number is realistic? And if you sincerely believe it is, then gamble your money, not ours, on that being true and make the floor amount based on that average. The only way you'll lose on that is if you're wrong about the average number of downloads.  I don't see why you would expect contributors to bear the burden of you being wrong about that.

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...I rather have a lot from greedy *insult removed*, then nothing from wannabees.

That's the sad truth. I put a good chunk of my portfolio on Stockfresh (for example) but the returns just aren't there. 50% of zero is still zero...

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Microstock News / Re: Wow~talk about race to the bottom...so sad
« on: September 26, 2011, 11:48 »
Is this anything other than celebrity snaps? If not, it's competing with EdStock but very little else of what microstock sells. Seems largely irrelevant (beyond their wish to pay microstock back for ruining their lives - aren't they a bit late for that party?)

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Site Related / Re: Welcome Back after hack
« on: September 26, 2011, 09:36 »
Nice to have the site back :)

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That e-mail's been around for a long time - standard for all deactivations, not something they implemented recently  as part of this descent into microstock hades

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... Subject to applicable law, Fotolia reserves the right to inquire, from time to time, with any given contributor as to whether such contributor is distributing any Works through any other stock agency or website, and such contributor shall promptly provide this information to Fotolia. ...


This doesn't say anything about the consequences of refusing to provide this information. Most contract law does not cover specific performance (making someone do something), only what remedies will apply if they don't do it.

What sanction would Fotolia apply if a contributor in the US told them it was none of their business where they sold their work? And if they close the contributor's account or reduce their royalty rate to 1% (they just said the schedule wouldn't apply which suggests they think they can make up any rates as penalties for those who won't do what they want) wouldn't this type of behavior come under restraint of trade? In the US, anti-trust law

It seems to me this is the garbage that gets tried every so often by various manufacturers or distributors who try to strong arm stores or suppliers. Ben and Jerry's sued Pillsbury when the latter tried to exclude them from distributors - didn't work so well for Pillsbury.

I would assume that there is close to zero chance that Fotolia could enforce this "tell me where you buy your groceries" provision if contributors just ignored it. But with well known contributors and images (and Google image search) the content will tell who's where.

This has certainly set a new low of foul and nasty :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: August best match shift?
« on: September 23, 2011, 17:32 »
The number one best match for "South Carolina" the State is an image of someone named Carolina Bacardi who is in Los Angeles.  Surprise surprise it's an Edstock image and it is how the Best Match is supposed to be, not a good sign.

In addition to that, there's a raft of other incorrectly keyworded images up front. One of the Hooter's Air launch (the shot was in Georgia but got keyworded with SC because the flight was going there), and one of a group of people at a premier for a film (in California)  (one of the kids is Carolina).

It's horrible spam

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...I am amazed by complete lack of business ethics though... and shortsightedness...

Really? This move seems entirely in keeping with Fotolia's track record.

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Veer / Re: veer subs
« on: September 23, 2011, 17:00 »
I'm definitely opting out. I have only a small number of files on Veer (painful upload and glacial review process), so quitting altogether if they later drop the opt out will be easy.

If they are serious about having a subscription offering, they'll need to do something about reviewing so they can keep a stream of new content coming to subscribers. Perhaps they're really doing this to dump a bunch of wholly owned content into a subs plan and outside contributors just suffer the collateral damage of industry-worst compensation

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I would add to the letter something about being paid your full outstanding balance in the part about them removing your entire portfolio.

Also add something about them taking the actions to ensure prompt removal from partner sites.

If their contract has a clause about the language with which you the artist terminate the agreement, include that. Following those steps should make it easier to make the case they're violating the agreement and selling your work without your permission if they drag their feet on removing your portfolio (as it's virtually free money for them to sell your stuff and pay you the minimum royalty).

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Image Sleuth / Re: Another dodgy Shutterstock portfolio, sigh
« on: September 23, 2011, 14:21 »
I don't want to downplay your case John - it's a shame that you can't get either agency to act - but the butterfly head girl is not in any way shape or form something someone could claim was their own creation (I'm assuming the tree argument was that they might have had a similarly bent tree in their back garden as the reference for their illustration). Slapping hibiscus on top doesn't cut it.

Has someone contacted IS and SS or the IS artist(s)?

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It doesn't affect me personally as FT banned me, but does this mean that if someone sells through CanStock that FT will make them white? Even an Emerald or up contributor?

Are they serious?

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@atramos. I don't think any of the microstock sites would take images on that basis. And for anything to sell it needs to be keyworded. Dreamstime has a keywording service, but (a) you'd have to pay and (b) editorial images (what you'd have to do for the unreleased images) have to have a detailed description, date and place shot, and you have to enter that.

Unless you have some jaw-droppingly wonderful images in there, I can't imagine any agency doing the work it would take to sort out 30K images for you.

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Newbie Discussion / Re: Hi all, new here!
« on: September 22, 2011, 15:01 »
I'll add a slightly less salty welcome :)

You'll see lots of familiar names/faces here. One or two are anonymous because they don't want to find agencies retaliating based on comments they post here (and yes, this has happened; no, it doesn't make any sense at all). For some, you'll probably figure out who they are after a bit as their sparkling personality shines through.

It is a good way for all of us to keep up with what's going on at various agencies - and speak freely in a way we can't on any of the agency forums.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock Logos is Two Years Old Today
« on: September 22, 2011, 14:26 »
I submitted one, I wanted the icon bling. Lol!

But you didn't need to submit a logo - I got the icon bling automatically just by being a vector contributor :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: August best match shift?
« on: September 22, 2011, 14:23 »
Here's today's version of my best match chart. It's interesting that Vetta and Agency have dropped back so much for most terms. One would think, if the price filter were working for buyers, there'd be no need to reduce the Vetta/Agency position - buyers could do that themselves if they wanted. This suggests to me that the no-name confusing dot sliders aren't being used (I suspect because the correlation between dots and collections isn't clear) and cheaper content is being given more slots in the first 200.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock Logos is Two Years Old Today
« on: September 22, 2011, 11:45 »
I saw Sean post the other day in the thread on PNGs - coming soon - saying that he was taking a "Logos" approach to PNG. When they actually do something, he'll start considering submitting content.

I didn't submit any logos, but I feel for those who did. And iStock can't even have the decency to just kill the project off so people can pull their content to use elsewhere and try and salvage some value from the hours they put in.

In a way, iStock is like one of those bad clients that strings you along with more promises than cash until you have the common sense to just walk away :)

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Photo Critique / Re: Critics and suggestions please
« on: September 22, 2011, 10:26 »
Even from a thumbnail, this stands out immediately as a simple filtering - it doesn't look like a real sketch. I wouldn't spend any more time on work of this sort for stock - even if you did a better job with it, as others noted, it probably wouldn't sell.

What made you think this was unique? Either as a composition or technique?

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... However, I know 3 people who have dropped exclusivity and they all had major drops in income that are yet to recover. Be warned, it's not any better ( and in some cases considerably worse) anywhere else....

I am not primarily an illustrator (I have a small portion of my portfolio that is illustrations) but I left iStock exclusivity in June. It is absolutely true that you'll see a temporary drop in income during the transition. I think the real issue is where you think things are heading. If you believe that over time, your situation will improve at other sites, versus continue to decline at iStock, perhaps it's better to take the hit now and get started building better search position.

You have more options with other sites (JPEGs of your vectors if you don't like a particular site's vector pricing). Over time, your SS income per download will rise as you earn more. You might want to unbundle some of your more complex illustrations to sell better on sites that have a one price for all vectors policy. If you do raster illustrations, or other derivations from your vector work, you can sell those (something iStock doesn't welcome).

It's too soon for me to say better/worse on returning to independence after my 3 year stint as an exclusive, but I'm pretty close to certain that if I had stayed exclusive at iStock, my 2011 income would have been less than 2010 anyway.  

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