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Shutterstock.com / Re: We are having some impact
« on: July 14, 2020, 19:48 »
I don't understand how anybody can still rationalize image and video uploading to SS.

Let's say you made a reasonably good image and hope to sell it 100 times over the life of the image. Very optimistically, you can assume an average price of 15c per download. Under these assumptions, you'll make in total measly $15 from that one image. Of course, there will be other images which will sell only once or never. 

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Shutterstock.com / Re: We are having some impact
« on: July 14, 2020, 11:10 »
And now SS is begging for new images. The below email received today:

Working on anything exciting? We'd love to see your latest content! Upload your recent work so that our customers around the globe can see it and you can start earning from it.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: We are having some impact
« on: July 13, 2020, 13:57 »
It's not surprising that SS wants to show a record number of images to their shareholders. That's about the only metric they can show.

The contributors need not worry whether it is 321 or 324 millions.
Out of that volume, 40% are similars, 20% are technically inferior images, and 25% are low-quality, low sale potential images.
Subtract these numbers and it leaves something like 100 million decent images.

I once heard that generally about 5% of an agencies portfolio sold well. That's not specificly Ss. Just an average.
Not sure if that still stands generally. But if it does, whats 5% of 320M? 16M

Very likely, half of those 16M images were removed or disabled last month. Or soon they will be.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: We are having some impact
« on: July 13, 2020, 13:24 »
It's not surprising that SS wants to show a record number of images to their shareholders. That's about the only metric they can show.

The contributors need not worry whether it is 321 or 324 millions.
Out of that volume, 40% are similars, 20% are technically inferior images, and 25% are low-quality, low sale potential images.
Subtract these numbers and it leaves something like 100 million decent images.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Get 10 free images now....
« on: July 09, 2020, 04:21 »
They are working blindly and have messed up a lot of things.
I have lost nearly 50% of my earning and SS don't want to care and do anything about it.

What really hurts is, there is no decrease in subscription package or any rebate in customer side, they have increased their own commission which makes me cry with a question why, why and why?

I have seen those 10 free images message earlier and it clearly says "The 10 free images are yours to keep regardless of whether you continue or cancel your annual plan."
What more to expect?

This industry is a sinking boat and SS will die at first.

They are taking money from you and giving it to anybody who applies for the 10 free images.

Yes, the industry is a sinking boat. SS started to sink it and they will go down one day, but it may take some time. Just enough time for Oringer to sell the company before inflicting more damage to the agency and image creators.

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I'm not sure it needed this to quit and realize SS is a gonner anyway. Takings are so down and so bad its uncanny. Somebody I know with 45000 files earnt himself a staggering $3 yesterday so in pure disgust he is beginning to deactivate/delete files today!
Good grief whats happened to this joint?

Could be that some buyers are gradually switching to other agencies.

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Collecting refundable bottles would be one idea
Go around the neighbourhood on garbage day and take bottles that people would rather throw out than return for 10 cents.

You dont need to invest in any fancy equipment
Use your bike or walk around the neighborhood
Youll also be doing yourself a favour by excersizing

just silly --
== in many places, it's illegal to take from garbage or recycle bins
==  there are only about 20 states w bottle bills (mostly 5c-10c) and 10 in europe

but seriously? people complain about 10c royalties - but you're telling them to collect 100-200 bottles/hr to make $10/hr? (not counting time spent gathering, transporting, etc; not to mention pawing thru smelly, or worse, garbage) how are going to carry that many bottles on your bike?

In my local wine store, they pay 20 cents for clean bottles (with no artifacts), and after the inspection and rinsing, they sell them at 80 cents to their winemaking customers. So, you are getting 25% commission, and they pay for the storage. Maybe when you get to the next level, you would get a higher commission.  AFAIK, similars are allowed and they don't reset your commission level every January.

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And this is why some contributors don't take forums or boycotts seriously. It invariably slides into contributor versus contributor instead of agency. What other people do is their choice, and this kind of garbage helps no one.

Some contributors are morons, so Im not going to take the SS boycott seriously. Really?

Really.

I am happy to protest (in my own way) SS's decisions but when contributors start slamming other contributors, don't expect me to join in this little parade. Not everyone has the luxury of stopping their income on a dime, and there is enough posts denigrating those who cannot or will not delete their portfolios to show the usual digression from "agency bad" to "what is everyone else doing and do I approve".

I can understand when some contributors are dependent on every dollar and decide to leave their SS portfolios online, but I can't see any rationality in digging the hole deeper and continue uploading new images at the new rates. If you need money, then creating and uploading new images to SS is the last thing you want to do. There must be hundreds other more dignified or gratifying ways to earn money.

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I've been talking to many photographers lately and none of them stopped uploading. I honestly expected the contrary. What I want to say is that this forum is not reflection of reality at all. It is occupied by contributors who promorte boycott and agressive measures and the majority that still uploads is silent. The more realistic reflection of reality would make this forum much more useful for all of us. I blame promoters lf boycott for this, they (we) are too hursh on the ones who have different opinion. Let them talk and let not be even worse than SS itself by not listening or caring about others opinion.

If some dummies are still uploading, they can't be helped. Maybe their mothers can explain it to them.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: The attitude of a real capitalist
« on: June 23, 2020, 19:53 »
That is a sad state of affairs when the owner of the company takes such antagonistic stand against his partners.

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Keeping my images and videos deactivated.

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This would be a good time for Apple to get into into stock photography (and keep those 70% commission rates).

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Best way to make money would be the sell short a few thousands SSTK shares.

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Now imagine...if that upload stream drops another 30% to 600 000 a week...

Let us see how ss HQ feels with an upload stream of 500 000....

I don't think that the upload stream will keep dropping, since most disablers have already done so, so there won't be the same volume of disabled images reducing continuously the absolute number of new content. However, due to most new images being in the similar or junk category, the quality of total SS image inventory will drift lower and lower. 

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But we are not workers for Shutterstock, Inc. so this story just doesn't cover our situation

True, but the difference between worker and contributor is each day smaller and smaller, in few decades work as we know will change a lot...

In the other hand, it is a good chance to let NYT people know about this... maybe they put a mention about SS new rates in the article

Correct. The differences between the conventional employment and contract work are blurring. More and more people will work without being employees, for example, freelance programmers and graphic designers, Uber and Lyft drivers, musicians, and all kinds of consultants. Stock agency contributors would fit the gig-economy employment classification.

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Continue complaining in the SS forum

I think that if the thread become massive (in negative replies) it could have some impact.

Complaining on SS forum won't help. And many of those comments and threads will be sooner or later removed.
Keeping the buyers informed about the SS treatment of their contributors will be much more effective.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: We are having some impact
« on: June 16, 2020, 06:20 »
I wouldn't be so fixated on the total count of images. If anything, accepting large lots of inferior and similar images will be more detrimental to an agency. 

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Shutterstock.com / Re: We are having some impact
« on: June 15, 2020, 05:45 »
SSTK price between 2012 and 2020 going steadily down.

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We need to contact and raise awareness, especially among the players in the sector, creative people, advertising agencies, journalists in the photographic, video and graphics sector. Some are already doing this. More needs to be done. Spreading the word is important, we can't just discuss it among ourselves, it doesn't lead to much, let's not get too many illusions.
What worries me a lot is that at the end of the day, few people in the Microstock world are really aware of the situation.  Every day I see, on the Shutterstock forum, people still asking "what's going on?", people who are completely ignorant of the situation. There are a lot of them.

So there's still a lot to do, but we have to act as quickly as possible, we have to strike while the iron is hot!

Also show SSTK as unethical company on the investment forums, such as finance.yahoo.com, ...
Sold all my SSTK holdings and won't buy it again. Bought ADBE instead.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: We are having some impact
« on: June 15, 2020, 01:35 »
The reduction in quality is greater than reduction in volume (which may go eventually up).

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Congratulations to all those who finally deactivated their portfolio!!

I don't understand why so many of you waited until today to close your portfolios.
Mine (7000+) has been deactivated for 10 days, and will certainly not be reactivated in a week!

Waiting 14 days was useful in seeing how the new earning levels affect the commissions. Not in a good way.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Boycott Shutterstock
« on: June 14, 2020, 19:23 »
Hi guys. Russian contributors made the NEW petition to Shutterstock against new royalty system. Hope you can support it: https://www.change.org/p/change-the-humiliating-system-of-royalties-for-shutterstock-contributors
Also they plan to massive opt-out their accounts at June 15th. Please join and share!


Would be a good time to start RussianStock. With rents and salaries below the NY rates, the new Russia-based stock company could afford to raise artist commissions and be still quite profitable.

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Disabled my port with all images and videos.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Boycott Shutterstock
« on: June 13, 2020, 22:34 »
I don't have any illusions that the total number of SS images will continue to go down. At one point, they will have 400 million, and then 500 images. But the general quality will go down and the search times and frustration by the buyers will go up. Their Empire State building rent will go up too and the SSTK price will go down. Remember when it was almost $100?

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The Shutterstock's audacity of devaluating our images while maintaining their decadent Empire Building headquarters is a poor business practice and simply abominable. For selling online image subscriptions you don't need to have showcase digs, this type of business could be operated from any warehouse in suburbs or another town in NY, or even from Siberia.

 
1. I agree fully with the deactivation of ports on June 15. Even if SS has 320 million images, deleting your A-class images or entire portfolios will have a measurable effect, since most of the remaining images are either similars or garbage. I haven't deactivated my port yet, but will do it on June 15. Watching the sales for the first ten days in June, not only the average selling prices went down, but also the number of downloads was reduced. Way down!

2. The other way to hit them is to spread the word to the buyers and shareholders. What SS is doing, is not only a poor long-term business decision, it is also highly unethical. Many investors are now looking at their investments from this type of angle, and switching to more ethical companies.  Most creative professionals who buy images and videos have a sense of fairness and once they realize what SS is doing, they will change their purchasing practices and switch to more responsible agencies.

3. Lastly, when you have such unethical company, even the employees will realize that their salaries are made on back of exploited contributors and their moral will go down. Next step for them is to wait how long before they will be shafted. No decent person would want to work for such a company.

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