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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone a Getty contributor?
« on: August 29, 2010, 12:45 »
Since the early 90s my marketing firm often bought from Bettmann Archive, Getty, Corbis, Masterfile and Tony Stone. (Before all the merging). We probably got 500 pounds of catalogs a year!

TS was our favorite for advertising work since it was the most "out there" and worked well with marketing concepts. But that stock photo line-item on the estimates made clients nuts. And having to pay the annual usage fee was often a deal killer. Some of my national clients had the budget but most mid-sized company marketing managers did not like it and explaining it to the CFO was another issue. So we often shot what we needed.

I think I became aware of iStock around 2003 through their "Dirty little secrets" advertising in Communications Arts magazine. (I hated that campaign and told them). Most of the work then was created by hobbyist and unusable (still is). Around 2005 it appeared that some of the pro photographers had started submitting work and the quality had dramatically improved but was still hard to find.

It was tough finding good edgy concept images at iStock (that hasnt changed either). 85% was dreadful and uninspiring and those happy shiny people were mind numbing. I have new clients tell me, We dont want that stock photo look. Interesting.

Fast forward. It appears that more and more of the pro photographers have heard about some of the money being made by the early contributors and begrudgingly waded into the microstock showground. This has been GREAT for buyers but a concern for the RM/RF empires (macrostock?). As the stock photo buying paradigm continues to shift and the micro vs RM/RF quality differences evaporates, I do not see how the RM/RF can survive except for editorial use and fewer big budget clients. Hell, who would by from those dinosaurs and pay (i.e.) $1500 annual usage for equivalent images found in micro for a ten bucks one-time fee?

So where is the industry going? Not sure but things need to change. There is too much weak content on the microstock sites which makes searches a long frustrating journey into the night. So art directors are sorting by DOWNLOADED in search of the risen cream, which only re-circulates a cloud of top feeder images and buries a lot of new quality work. Yuri claims 80% of buyers search by DOWNLOADED dunno for sure.  The micros need to cull the herd. IS has about 7 million and SS sits at around 12. What happens when they are at 30 million? Or 80 million with the 80/20% rule of crap vs. gems? YIKES! Getty is not stupid thus Vetta was born the proverbial missing link.

Also, depending upon whose blog you believe, microstock sales are starting to flatten indicating that the pool of potential buyers has been filled. I dont believe this. Time will tell.

What I want? Id like to see iStock slash all the bottom feeder images, foster Vetta with a reasonable pricing structure (Dont get greedy Getty!) and figure a way to allow new quality images to rise to the top of searches.
Overall, I think the mircostock future is bright once the few growing pain issues are resolved.

OX
one mans opinion

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone a Getty contributor?
« on: August 28, 2010, 22:41 »
Nows good!  You can't let the comments get to you. Ignore the parts you don't like and take the rest. I find most of them quite amusing. I'm hard to offend and I don't take it personally.   


(((((OX-FD-SJLOCKE)))) LOL! these guys don't get to me. It's all good and amusing.

I've been the admin for massive forums for over 5 years. This  stuff is common -- new guy gets tested by the regs. a little smack talk and we all fall back into place (unless new guy shows weakness and is feasted upon).  :o

OX
...Teflon

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone a Getty contributor?
« on: August 28, 2010, 22:13 »


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please do! we always welcome viewpoints from buyers and buyer contributors. just out of curiosity, why did you switch to the other side a month ago?



I still buy alot of stock and own a successful branding company but a good friend of mine and photographer turned me on to the microstock world and l like the idea of making money without client issues and creating art (photography) on my own terms.

FD might be an OK guy but 7 folks have him on ignore. We might just get along fine, now that we both know were we stand.

OX
...when do we do the group hug thing?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone a Getty contributor?
« on: August 28, 2010, 22:06 »
...new guy with questions. deal with it.

This is not some library you have the right to walk in and demand answers.  Once you contribute to the discussions, you are more likely to field useful replies.  I certainly don't see the need to give the milk away to the first unknown Joe that walks in stamping their feet.

Check my posts Sean.  I have been contributing when I can. Who said I am demanding anything.

I don't stamp my feet. Only the prima donnas do that.  ::)

And don't think I will be bullied by the regs. If they want to start something... I will finish it.

OX
...still here

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone a Getty contributor?
« on: August 28, 2010, 21:22 »
What I want to know is, if you are a Getty contributor, how is it working out for you financially and regarding your creative fulfillment... and any other thoughts about the joint.
As far as I read all your few posts, you are only here to ask info about anything, not to share anything, not even your port. Yes, I know a way into Getty. I will gladly tell you after a 1.999$ consultancy fee by PayPal.  ;D - Ploink.

FD - Since when did you become forum police?  ::) Your post count and self-righteousness "reg" status means NOTHING to me. By all means, put me on ignore since you become upset so easily by your view of forum decorum violations.

 Yes, I've come here with some questions but I am new to microstock so I don't have alot of experience to share in that regard. My portfolio is about a month old and getting better so I am not ready for you to stick your arrogant little nose in it and form opinions.

I have been a stock photo buyer since the early 90s and have been a creative director for over 30 years. I may be sharing my thoughts from that point of view soon.

FD? I can think of a few fitting acronyms for that.  8)

OX
...new guy with questions. deal with it.

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General Stock Discussion / Anyone a Getty contributor?
« on: August 28, 2010, 04:02 »
I am considering applying to Getty but cannot find much about the experience. Yep, I searched this topic and understand the submission process and "house" acceptance and $50 fees...etc.

What I want to know is, if you are a Getty contributor, how is it working out for you financially and regarding your creative fulfillment... and any other thoughts about the joint.

I feel most of the microstock sites just want happy-shiny, sanitized people and things which kinda limits ones creative ambitions.

Thanks
OX

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: What the $%^&### is an artifact?
« on: August 18, 2010, 09:49 »
An artifact (along with an "overfiltering") is a button pushed by an expert iStock reviewer when he doesn't like your name or just had a fight with his girlfriend and can't think of a legitimate reason to reject a perfectly good photo.

***POST OF THE WEEK AWARD WINNER***

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Especially when new images are buried under tons of old good sellers.

Time for a new acronym.

GOSH! = Good Old Sellers Hell

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My marketing sense tells me that if I wanted to sell more images in this business a sure way is to look at the best selling images and try to do it those better or a bit differently. Seeing a certain amount of business that is already there and seeking a piece of it is a time-proven technique no matter what that business is. I would think it is a dull way to do it but it would work for some folks.

True enough but if someone possessed the imagination and skills to improve upon or add significantly to the best-selling topics then they probably wouldn't be here wailing that they're 'just not worth shooting for'.

Too often something really out there and unique like the old TONY STONE stuff won't get past inspectors because it does not have that "stock look"  IMO

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If you came to such a conclusion, wouldn't you think keeping it to yourself would be a good idea, so those shooting sunsets happily would keep on doing so, and not peek at your portfolio to see what you think should be captured?  I would. :)


Yeah good point. I forgot about the "don't ask, don't tell" element of microstock.  :o

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After extensive research into various photo categories  at the major sites, it appears to me that some topic areas of microstock are just so overly saturated with quality images that shooting and submitting is pointless.

Some of those include images with:
- stethoscopes
- laboratory equipment (test tubes, beakers, microscopes)
- dual bell alarm clocks
- piggy banks
- gavels (legal images)
- sexy woman
- people on the beach
- flowers
- sunsets
- happy business people on white backgrounds (yuri!)

I am sure there are more. Add to it...

If I am wrong... tell me. I hope I am. But this is how it appears to me.

OX

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I just realize the reviewers are over worked and many are not very good. I've had images rejected at IS for all sorts of odd things and submitted them later on (even NO RESUBMIT images) and they were accepted and doing well. Some rejects deserved it and i just mumble and agree... and move on.

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