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Shutterstock.com / Re: unique phrases - keywords question
« on: March 16, 2015, 08:07 »
All text is usually converted to a stream of ASCII text characters when you hit send from your side.

Yes. I guess that you specifically mean - when entering keywords on the contributor side at Shutterstock ? I think it wants a subset of original ASCII. And it is worth noting that Shutterstock specifically says to keyword in English. A few exceptions apart - English mostly does not use accents. Pete also says that it doesn't like accents.

The Shutterstock search engine accepts unicode characters. Eg 医生

I would be very interested to know why that search ( 医生 ) produces such radically different results at Shutterstock vs iStock. If anyone has any idea. The characters can be copied and pasted into the searches.
^ ETA: I think it must have been a bug at iStock which has now been fixed or which has corrected itself

Shutterstock search seems very fast and impressive.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock ending 25 a day subs?
« on: March 15, 2015, 20:36 »
I'm not saying I think everyone will download the maximum now and it will be a disaster for SS.  I'm saying their margins will be slimmer because there will be more downloads per user.

There is no particular reason to believe that subscribers will on average download more images per account because they can. The amount of work which professional people can do is not going to increase because theoretical download limits have been upped.

It's a service, like say broadband. We don't fit more hours in the day because our network got fatter.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock ending 25 a day subs?
« on: March 15, 2015, 20:01 »
I think it will definitely result in buyers downloading more, if it wouldn't then why would SS have this restriction in the first place?

Subscription isn't about how many you can download. It's about providing you with a service with limits which exceed your expectations. The exact amount makes no difference. I don't listen to more music because I have unlimited ad free Spotify.

Sooner or later unlimited downloads will be the norm.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock ending 25 a day subs?
« on: March 15, 2015, 12:42 »
if people are tweeting about it, the cat's halfway out of the bag.

1 person seems to have Tweeted about it from what I can see.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock ending 25 a day subs?
« on: March 15, 2015, 11:57 »
You don't think there will be more downloads?

I don't believe that there will be more downloads because of the limits are lifted. But I do believe it is possible that there will be more downloads as a result of them attracting more customers with what seems like a more attractive offer.

People can only use so much content - and in most ways subscription is about the service rather than a specific quantity of images. ie for most people subscription is probably about getting all you need - not all you can get. Even if they offered unlimited downloads I doubt that many more images would be downloaded per genuine subscriber.

(The case against unlimited downloads is that it would be difficult to stop contributors working together to download each other's images)

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is Shutterstock ending 25 a day subs?
« on: March 15, 2015, 11:40 »
without the 25/day restriction and instead doing 750/month.  This should mean more downloads for contributors and lower margins for SS

I doubt it will make much difference. Except that it sounds like a much better offer. AFAIK the whole point of all you can eat is that most people tend not to pig-out.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Did iStock just lower credit prices?
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:55 »
Check out twitter people are tweeting about it now.  "I really like the new format from @Shutterstock! 750/month instead of 25/day is awesome!"  that was favorited by Shutterstock.

I always thought that the inevitable price war would most challenge Shutterstock. But today I think that a price war most threatens iStock.

And if we are honest - I think we would have to agree that their site looks much better than iStock too. The search result format is really well implemented - how the picture opens within the same page. I hope that iStock isn't now in terminal decline.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Did iStock just lower credit prices?
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:45 »
Like I said they are probably showing different things to different people.  For me, right now, they are saying 750 images per month with no mention of 25 a day.  I would be willing to bet I'm not the only one seeing this.

Mine shows daily limits as others are saying.

Much better than the iStock pricing page which delivers a server error for me these days because iStock fails to geo locate my IP address. The only way I can get to the pricing page is via a VPN in a different country. It's been like this for weeks at least. I raised this on their bug thread and was told to open a support ticket. As if !

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Did iStock just lower credit prices?
« on: March 15, 2015, 10:39 »
Adobe markets to big customers as well, so I'd expect them to raise prices, because many of their customers are used to paying big bucks for images. But that's just an educated guess on my part.

My guess is that Adobe will bundle X images per month subscriptions as part of Creative Cloud. Perhaps not at first.

There is only so much additional CS functionality which users actually want - therefore adding value in different ways makes sense for them. It can help to support subscriptions which will inevitably peak and then begin to decline anyhow.

I believe that they will run Fotolia to break even.

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a quick look at sites like kickstarter show many people are finding ways to make money on the internet


South Park - Go Fund Yourself

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Shutterstock.com / Re: unique phrases - keywords question
« on: March 14, 2015, 12:04 »
From SS this week: comma separated phrases, or phrases in general will only negatively affect the image in search because the search engine will only include those images if that exact phrase is used (since the phrase is essentially a 'keyword')

Hi Pete. Have you got a link for that ?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: unique phrases - keywords question
« on: March 14, 2015, 11:43 »
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the words are being broken up on the front end (screen) but this does not effect the search engine (back end).

That's useful to know. Thanks very much.

In your post above you said that "Notre-Dame de l'Immacule-Conception" as a phrase gets turned into separate constituent keywords. Including de and l (but with the apostrophe stripped). When you submit your image for review do you leave in the de and l keywords ?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: unique phrases - keywords question
« on: March 14, 2015, 07:52 »
Thanks very much for both of your informative answers.

But apparently the complete keyword is attached to the image in the back end.

How are you able to reach this conclusion ?

I guess bothering with phrases is a waste of time unless it helps at other agencies.  Thanks for pointing that out.

I suppose that depends upon whether it is a bug or a 'new normal' !

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Shutterstock.com / unique phrases - keywords question
« on: March 14, 2015, 06:53 »
Background:

As part of a project I am working on, I have been writing functionality which parses embedded IPTC image metadata.

With respect to this I am currently specifically focused on the different ways in which multi-word phrases or unique phrases are used.

This question relates specifically to Shutterstock. Item 6 of this article at Shutterstock talks about unique phrases.

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6) For multiple words where you would like to create a unique phrase, consider using quotation marks. Example: clay pot. Depending on whether quotation marks are used, this phrase can be understood as two separate keywords or one keyword. In response to clay pot our search engine would only return an image if both clay and pot are separate keywords associated with the image. Now, if someone wanted to treat this keyword as a phrase, they would place it in quotations, "clay pot. The search engine would then return all images where the phrase "clay pot" was used as the keyword. It does not return images which only used the individual keywords clay and pot.


Question:

What I am seeing when I search for clay pot using quotes seems to be images which seem to have clay and pot as keywords - but seemingly no images including the exact unique phrase. As if the search quotes were being ignored.

Can anyone explain what it going on or help me understand this better ? Perhaps someone who has specifically used a unique phrase in quotes at Shutterstock. Is it that the unique phrase "clay pot" is there but is not listed in the visible customer facing keywords ?

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the fact that Andy Sitt (123rf) and a former Getty business development exec are behind it doesn't improve its prospects any

It does. If only because their background inevitably improves the prospects of the business with respect to them being able to present a case for funding.

Long term prospects is another thing entirely. But none of the microstock companies have guaranteed long term prospects.

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If the internet actually recognized the value of work with some reasonable prices for things like stock, ad rates, music, etc., that would give a real boost to the economy.


The end user price for most images will inevitably get ever closer to zero as supply increases. Supply is unlimited. The inevitable outcome is that many users will, at best, only pay for the curation and delivery of those images as a service. And most likely even these services will come bundled - eg with hosting etc. Bespoke images and niches would be an exception.

The growth of microstock was facilitated by the availability of affordable DSLRs and ubiquitous broadband. Affordable DSLRs made it feasible to relatively easily learn how to produce content which was as good or nearly as good as that from existing much higher priced stock collections. Simultaneously - suddenly lots of little businesses, even churches, clubs etc thought that they needed a website - mostly because in those days lots of people said that they needed a website. And in those days there was a lot of money in making websites which fuelled a demand for relatively inexpensive stock.

Increasingly today those small businesses and organizations have often found that they really only need to keep the website as a placeholder, like a business card. Even many quite large organizations have switched their meaningful interactions with the customers to Facebook and Twitter - and the fresh content they are using is shot with an iPhone or shared by their 'friends'. Most people who upload an iPhone photo to Facebook are not expecting to be paid - theyll be happy to get a thumbs-up or lots of likes. This sort of use is inevitably going to account for the majority of image use. And, as microstock gradually ate into previous pricing models, so free and almost is inevitably  going to eat into even microstock pricing.

Microstock (from a contributor perspective) probably peaked and then quickly began to decline about the time of the financial crisis - which was, significantly, also soon after the iPhone launched and Facebook introduced business pages. This was also the period when the biggest collections began to grow almost exponentially - with ever more people supplying ever more images. And no evidence that the total market is growing.



Meanwhile ad rates seem likely to decline if anything.

A Crisis in Online Ads: One-Third of Traffic Is Bogus - Wall St Journal

Study Puts a Price Tag on Fake Ad Clicks - New York Times

Nearly 25% of 'people' viewing online video ads are robots used by fraudsters - The Guardian

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It can only go down.

The end price of images is inevitably going to zero. With users paying only indirectly for the provision of services.

Except niche and bespoke.

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StockUnlimited Brings The Netflix Model To Stock Imagery, Starting With Vector Graphics

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Instead of limiting users to a set monthly allowance, StockUnlimited charges a $9.99 flat fee ...

... If it wasnt for the team behind it, Id likely have serious doubts about the companys plan, which flies in the face of the established (and highly profitable) business model in the stock imagery world. The companys chairman and lead investor is Andy Sitt, who also founded the successful stock imagery service 123RF. StockUnlimiteds CEO is Christian Toksvig, the former head of business development at Getty Images. These two clearly know how this market works.

Currently, StockUnlimited only features vector images, but the plan is to expand to photos and videos in the third or fourth quarter of this year.

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I think that image could do with being warmer (not because that is necessarily accurate - but because we expect images of old Mediterranean stone to be warmer even in winter).  Also probably about 1/3 - 2/3 more exposure towards the centre & a bit of s - curve.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Did anybody meet a SS reviewer??
« on: March 11, 2015, 02:24 »
 >:(

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Did anybody meet a SS reviewer??
« on: March 11, 2015, 02:17 »
BEWARE - The final link in Semmick Photo's post immediately above is currently pointing to a pornographic website. Either his account has been hacked or, possibly, it is a DNS issue. (the link which begins my boardgame etc)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock balance
« on: March 10, 2015, 13:38 »
Weren't they supposed to have already taken out the Feb balance by now?  My total still has Feb and March money.  This got me worried we won't get paid by the 25th.


Detailed in their March 3rd email and also noted here and here at their site:

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If your balance is $100 or more on February 28, 2015, you will be eligible to receive a payment. When invoices are generated, typically on or around the 5th of the following month, your payment amount will be moved from your account balance to our financial system.

Please note that for this first payment by Getty Images (US), Inc. we anticipate this process to occur later than the 5th, but be completed by the 15th.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Did anybody meet a SS reviewer??
« on: March 10, 2015, 12:05 »
If you did meet one, they probably wouldn't know they work for Shutterstock


That seems strange. Given that Shutterstock is currently advertising for image reviewers.

See also: many more image reviewer openings at Shutterstock (scroll down to subheading Content) - including New York, New York.

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I see, but you said "just the same as today".
How do you compensate a color cast today, digitally?

Just-the-same - as in, it was do-able just the same as it is do-able today. Not meaning to imply exactly the same technical process. Just the same is a turn of phrase in English.

Today it's much easier. - especially with accurate color targets.  But also because you can fine tune it visually in real time. And  - also because you can adjust the color across different parts of the image differently - which was not typically practical pre digital and certainly never exact.

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Just use the white dropper in Photoshop - click on what is meant to be the brightest and cleanest white, and hey presto.

I wish it was that easy  ::)

Might be worth you trying the Xrite color target and software I linked to above. Shoot that in the scene you are planning to photograph and also have the software build a color profile specific to the scene to use in Lightroom + white balance.

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