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When we were used to shot in film we had not all these problems it was daylight or tungsten. Stop.
And we all lived happy like this

I used to do a lot of RA-4 color printing in the early 90s. You could pretty much compensate for a caste just the same as today.

How?

With the use of a color temp. meter?

By eye typically - using either a white piece of paper or, better still, a blank sheet of the color paper stock - for comparison. And the darkrooms typically had a fire exit so you could quickly get outside and make the comparison in natural light. And then gradually adjusting two out of the three enlarger colors one at a time. Then doing another test strip as you got closer. You quickly get good at it  - so you would pretty much know roughly how much to dial in or out.

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When we were used to shot in film we had not all these problems it was daylight or tungsten. Stop.
And we all lived happy like this

I used to do a lot of RA-4 color printing in the early 90s. You could pretty much compensate for a caste just the same as today.

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I know the light is not always perfect quality, but if we want to show reality of a scene, there shouldnt be a discussion on whether the light is not right, it is what it is

But it isn't what it is - at least how it photographs is often not how it looks. Because your brain interprets and compensates for light differently from a camera. And your eyes are especially good at compensating for mixed lighting which can sometimes be difficult to filter or adjust.

For example, traditional strip light will make a scene photograph greenish - kitchens and municipal buildings until the 80s used to often have nasty strip lighting - but it didn't look green to humans. Only when photographed. Choosing to go with that green can be a stylistic choice - but it isn't how it looks to us as we typically experience it. Ditto amber city lighting - it can look like a color caste but it can also be a stylistic choice. But we don't see it how film or a sensor does.

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I've always meant to try using the white card technique, hold up a piece of pure white card and set the white balance to this, but always been too lazy!

It's on my list of things to do....

Conventional wisdom is that it is better to use an 18% neutral grey rather than white.

But custom profiling is potentially much more interesting since it is about comparison and adjustments based on a range of controlled target colors rather than only grey.

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Probably there is no ultimate answer. But the XRite ColorChecker Passport is very useful and interesting both for white balancing and, more specifically, for creating custom camera profiles - either for color accuracy or as part of the process of creating some specific look. Exploring how the Xrite and equivalent Adobe software utilities work is also a useful part of beginning to understand how camera profiles are built. Especially relevant for people building commercial Lightroom presets who would normally also want to include tailored profiles.

Also - the open source dcptool for converting camera profiles from binary to XML and vice versa.

ETA: don't be put off by the various references to DNG. DNG is used just at the profiling stage.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: SEO - how did you fare?
« on: March 05, 2015, 13:51 »
They seem to be asking people to build descriptions using words which would be the keywords if they were not stuck with the legacy CV. In this context the CV seems increasingly convoluted -  being based on thinking from a pre Google era. I strongly suspect (guess) that the CV, whilst not being a flexible or SEO friendly solution, also creates considerable unnecessary loads.

It might be better to look at the possibility of introducing free text keywording for new content and see if they cannot see a way to run that alongside the legacy CV.

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Off Topic / Re: the NYT exposes Peter Lik's scams !
« on: March 01, 2015, 07:29 »
Not just art:

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I don't quite see how it will really be possible to spin off any of the Getty "assets" to try and save Getty ...  the truth is iStock contributors would lose any sales they are making from Getty if the two site are decoupled ... etc

Nobody serious is suggesting that iStock could or would be "de - coupled" from Getty or sold off on its own. iStock and Getty images compliment each other - it's like running two different shops.

However Jim Pickerell (quoted as a source in the Bloomberg article) has elsewhere suggested that Getty's prestigious editorial "asset" could be sold off.

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Did I miss anyone?

Yes: the stock (financials) buying public. Still a possible eventual owner IMO.

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The market has rated their bonds as junk, it can't be more obvious what is coming next.


Junk : sounds like a terribly pejorative term - but junk bonds can be a great investment -> { what people always say about them is that the bad news is already priced in }

Meanwhile I am still very curious about the origins of this story and about the motivations behind the leak. There is always a reason for a leak. Thats the most interesting part of this story IMO. Who leaked it and why ?

Jim Pickerell hinted at this story here on this forum a few days ago (the day before the first Bloomberg piece in which he is also quoted. All of the other articles on the web follow from that.

I wonder whether the writer had spoken to the two anonymous sources or whether the information came via Jim Pickerell. Or maybe he got his lead via the Bloomberg reporter.

Paul Melcher is a reliable voice and the piece which Jeff linked to has a lot of merit IMO. I have the impression however that some people here are letting their feelings color their analysis.

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I don't think that story relied on inside information


The Bloomberg piece linked to in the original post of this thread, and on which the other articles have been based specifically states that the reporting is based on information from

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two people with knowledge of the companys finances who asked not to be identified because they werent authorized to speak about the private report

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It's quite amusing to go back less than 18 months and see Bunhill and Tickstock telling me that the evidence I cited of falling iStock sales was completely meaningless and I was reaching absurd conclusions:
http://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/the-%27new%27-is/msg351483/#msg351483


Where have I said that you were reaching "absurd conclusions" ? If I have said that then I apologise unconditionally - not for being wrong, but for being rude. I am happy to be wrong in a guessing game but I am not here to be rude or impolite to people. The point I think I was making was that the data is incomplete. I still believe that the data was and is incomplete - and without context.

I am very curious about the motivations of the anonymous sources behind all of this reporting. I am struggling to understand why anyone on the inside of those meetings would be motivated to blab. The motivation for the leaking must surely be part of the story. Who benefits ?

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They have to sell some assets to reduce debt at some point in the next couple of years.

Jim Pickerell says that there is a rumour that they may sell editorial.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 26, 2015, 15:42 »
As an exclusive, I wish I could share your optimism and enthusiasm.

From a contributor perspective I am not expressing either optimism or enthusiasm. My interest and enthusiasm relates to story itself.

IMHO, they need stability etc

I do not believe that there can be any stability in this market until after this inevitable evolution from primarily selling pictures to primarily selling services.

We need to keep remembering that they have at various stages talked about being prepared to cannibalize their own business. And they have previously been good at knowing where the market is going and focusing on that.

Forget the stuff about selling iStock as an IPO.

The whole of Getty. Not iStock.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 26, 2015, 13:37 »
I can't see any hope of an IPO ...

... where as I can see no other reason for all of the changes over the past 2-3 years. To me, the whole strategy seems to point in that direction. Also - I cannot imagine what other outcome they would want. Though before they get there I would expect further significant changes. And I would expect them to get very aggressive about pricing sooner or later too.

It will be exciting and interesting to see which of us is right. They have good revenues and strong brand. And they are clearly half way through transforming it into a completely different business.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 26, 2015, 11:52 »
I sincerly doubt they could float getty with their history. Wallstreet needs a success story, this isnt one. And their competitors are showing the world every day how to create growth.

No, another investor is more likely. If that doesnt work, it will be split and sold in pieces, probably to the competition.

I firmly believe that everything indicates that they are positioning for an IPO exit. Hence the emphasis on subscription even probably at the expense of short term revenue.

Get everything working, cut costs and then slash subscription prices for growth is my bet. And don't forget that they have very significant revenue.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 26, 2015, 10:55 »
I could imagine that all marketing efforts will be directed to their prime collections and getty itself at the expense of istock and thinkstock.

Not if they are moving towards taking the company public. Which must surely be on the cards. Investors today like subscription models.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 26, 2015, 07:23 »
The problem with Getty is a shortage of ready cash (liquidity) so the answer is hang on to the cash for as long as possible.

Let's go back to the water through pipe flow analogy. The same amount is still coming out of the end. So it makes no difference.

But go ahead and vote me down again.

(I'm no fan of the way they have done things - but conspiracy theories don't get us anywhere)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 26, 2015, 06:32 »
So that explains iStock increasing it's payout schedules to once a month and paying on the 25th of the following month in a bid to hang on to cash flow.

How does that help cash flow ? Using the water (flow) analogy, the same amount is still coming through the pipe. Also - in any accounting, the money set aside for payments is already a liability.

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and it's not just Getty but also upper-class agencies like Magnum or VII

Remember that Magnum is also a valuable legacy collection - owned by the members or their heirs. It runs more like a family business. And it is a completely different business anyhow - being primarily about photographs. The big stock companies, by contrast, are essentially finance vehicles. Their primary business is finance.

even some top war photographers have barely a pot to pis-s in and are now doing workshops in order to survive.

Established photographers have always often also been involved in running classes and workshops + lecture circuit. Certainly since the early 70s anyhow.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 26, 2015, 05:00 »
At the same time customers were being encouraged to switch to subscriptions.

Investment analysts are very keen on subscribers these days.

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now repaying the loans is problematic

IPO will pay off the debt. No ?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 25, 2015, 13:26 »
It's hard to see how adopting policies that make less money are going to help a flotation price

I would assume that a flotation price would potentially have little to do with what revenues were x years ago. Surely from the market perspective it will be about looking forward not back - eg in terms of their ability to grow over x quarters according to any of the potential measures of growth (subscribers, market share, footprint etc) . And at this point they can probably decide when to have that growth kick in.

At various iterations of the business they have talked about being prepared to cannibalize the existing model and I think we can assume that they have more changes to implement yet - including, I would guess, pricing.

We might not be enjoying the ride but from their point of view it is probably shaping out quite nicely assuming that nothing nasty happens on the markets.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: How Are Your iStock Sales?
« on: February 25, 2015, 12:58 »
Well, we told them ... etc

It may not suit many of us but the strategy likely makes sense in the context of Getty likely moving towards an IPO.

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Off Topic / Re: the NYT exposes Peter Lik's scams !
« on: February 25, 2015, 10:37 »
photos should be self explanatory rather than needing the author explain what the photo is all about


Does this typical Martin Parr photo really need explaining ?




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