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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 17, 2019, 12:03 »
... 10-12USD is not enough, but you are able to pay only that much... just open agency in Belgrade for at least 10 years and became reach without doing Microstock for living...

is not enough for who? fo what...you live in poor country with a salary of 250 dollar minimum...10 12 dollar is not enough? maybe you should begin  shooting model as you live in that country so you stopped complaining in ss forum that you don't sell nothing or somebody as switched off our ports so you can be rich.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 17, 2019, 11:50 »
https://checkinprice.com/average-minimum-salary-belgrade-serbia/

so in a country where minimum salary is 270 euro, and probably outside belgrade is half of that, if i pay somebody 50 dollar for 4 5 hours of work is not enough.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 17, 2019, 11:44 »
If you are going to open agency(facilities like Fiat in Serbia) for at least 10 years than your words make sense... if you are going for a weekend or month and say publicly that 10-12USD is enough, then your posts have other connotations... people from Serbia are naturally beautiful in general, it`s not their fault that you have to pay much more elsewhere for a model and earn for life by shooting microstock...

what connotations. sorry ..i repeat most of serbian contributor , like you, will starve in any country. and will probably won't shot micro stock ever...if i  find a business opportunity i take. pay 10 dollar per hour in serbia is not exploitation at all....actually i pay much more than a worker in a fabric take or at least near some good office position.

10 12 doler is a lot compared to a lot fo people working 8 hour 6 dos a week in serbia, that's why model are happy, actually they are happy with 15 dollar...nd3000 who wrote before built up a successful business in 3 years shooting model in serbia as he said, probably paying even less in the past. that's it. 

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 17, 2019, 10:31 »
... sorry, but this is going to wrong direction... looks like pure exploitation...

exploatation for what? do you think with your earning you could live in a first world economy country?
if serbian are shooting in mass micro stock like ukraine and russia is only beach cost are nonexistent and cost of life is 3 4 times less than any modern country...it's like china who sell products for peanuts because they have cost of production ridiculous. if a model cost 10 dollar per hour in serbia is because salary  there is proportioned to the cost of living, there is any exploration...the problem is that i got paid 38 cent  if i pay 10 dollar a model and the same if i pay  100 dollar per hour...so you understand that if i want to keep business running i need to go where cost of production is low...is the same as delocalization of production from modern country to country where salary are much lower....fiat produce car in serbia not because serbian are better worker simply because serbian got paid one third of italian, same for renault ,volskwagen....

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 17, 2019, 10:30 »
... sorry, but this is going to wrong direction... looks like pure exploitation...

exploatation for what? do you think with your earning you could live in a first world economy country?
if serbian are shooting in mass micro stock like ukraine and russia is only beach cost are nonexistent and cost of life is 3 4 times less than any modern country...it's like china who sell products for peanuts because they have cost of production ridiculous. if a model cost 10 dollar per hour in serbia is because cost of life there is proportioned to the cost of living, there is any exploration...the problem is that i got paid 38 cent if i pay 10 dollar a model or 100 dollar per hour...so you understand that if i want to keep business running i need to go where cost of production is low...is the same as delocalization of production from modern country to country where salary are much lower....fiatproduce car in serbia not because serbian are better worker simply because serbian got paid one third of italian, same for renault ,volskwagen....

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 16, 2019, 14:05 »
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

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you wrote me already you don't earn nothing..so why spend all your time here trying to be an expert of something you are clearly a failure?

I think he's writing to you Pauws, I'm a verified Veteran and certified Expert.  ;) Hard to tell what JB is writing about most of the time.
ok great expert.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 16, 2019, 14:02 »
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

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you wrote me already you don't earn nothing..so why spend all your time here trying to be an expert of something you are clearly a failure?

I think he's writing to you Pauws, I'm a verified Veteran and certified Expert.  ;) Hard to tell what JB is writing about most of the time.

you don't have a clue about micro..believe me you are expert maybe in your condominium.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 15, 2019, 17:19 »
the list is pretty old, in 2 years everything has changed...actually since 2017 ss open the gate an flooding of images has began...f

https://www.fotolia.com/p/206713618


this is house poe production born after 2017, in less than 2 years and a bunch of months they added half million images, there are much more from serbia and russia....the scheme is simple ,saturated all market, take idea and copycat them using many photographer paid penny,m and good model paid 10 dollar hours maximum. light field has a fully functional studio with lot of room, you can rent for 10 dollar hour if you go kiev to produce.

i have seen many house of production lately are copycatting especially the style and idea of jacob lund.

Show me your data collection for 2019? You know, locations, number of artists, image totals for top 20 maybe?

Thanks for the filler on Andorra I never would have known. Here's some things I found which I'd say I still don't know much about Andorra. Andorra, according to the World Bank, is among top 15 countries with the highest GDP per capita. ... According to International living index, Andorra is a 12-th position in the world in terms of level and quality of life. Andorra is often considered as one of the safest countries in the world, and Andorra La Vella one of the safest European cities. The most used language is English, 38.8% of the Andorran population speak Catalan. To date, there are 516 Russians in Andorra. The immigration policy of the Principality is under control, and the number of immigrants is strictly quoted according to demands of the economy.

The link for "house poe production born after 2017" whatever that means, doesn't show anything. Got a link that works?  ;)

Reminder, true the location could be a lie and many accounts list no location. We don't know. This is simple the best information to indicate who has the largest accounts and where they are from. I don't know if SS actually checks the listed location. What I mean is, this is the best data available, if someone has better, please show us.

The data used for artists location was the 18,000 accounts that had over 1,000 images on SS at the time. Of course that could have changed, but the selection was designed to represent active contributors, not 300,000 accounts registered. (as an example, the number is now over 500,000)

But the question remains, show me your data, numbers and proof?

well don't have data but is pretty easy to see the influence of russia ukraine and serbia in  the database.. zillions of file...just search any lifestyle idea you will see the predominance of house of production born in eastern europe

the link is light field fotolia google it...it's from kiev in ukraine...450000 file in less than 2 years...they have many people working salary less than 600 dollar....model super cheap...try replicate it in usa. in serbia there is

https://shootset.com/search?p=22&sort=recommended&country=Serbia&radius=10

is a stock model agency...if you ever have browsed lifestyle content in fotolia with model release you will recognize thousand of photos with the same 10 20 model of this agency....
it's not that they love doing photos more than us...it's their cost areas cheap is still good to shoot lifestyle content....in italy good model cost 10 times the price i pay in ukraine....where i pay 10 dollarr hour and it's already much more than what many stocker from kiev pay.

In Serbia you pay 30$ for an average model but no model works for less than 20$ these days. Some with more experience have a wage as high as 65$/hr. So its pretty easy to see that an average set with 7-8 models will cost you around 1k. Not very expensive but not darn cheap either.

in serbia cost of life is one 4 of the rest of world...renting space is one tenth...model cost 30 dollar but you can find pretty darn good for 10 15 dollar.... it's not you or other serbian have more wish to shot is that you have cost 23 4 times inferior to the rest of the world...it's like producing cheap items in america or in china, it's not competitive for usa because cost are higher is the same....that'0s why most of house of production are in serbia russia and ukraine.
you have a portfolio that would have cost 5 times more than what you paid and you did in less than 2 3 year, try to work and produce such a portfolio in uk or italy ,, then you will see how much you would have earned and if you would have shot micro stock for living.....anyway next year i will move to belagreade for 2 months...already contacted many models from that agency and 30 dollar are for top notch model , other are happy with much less.

Jonbull do you mean 30, 10, 15 dollars per hour for models in Serbia?

from 10 to 30 dollar very good model. in ukraine 10 12 is enough , i was even quoted 15 from an agency for new faces..russia outside moscow is the same. but if you have good instagram you will be easily a requested photographer from lot of young teenager ready to improve their skill and have a bunch of photo for their instagram.. and believe me most of the time from model to non model the difference is minimal. they have a natural attitude in fronton camera written in dna.

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The closure of Fotolia has impacted a lot of us.

It's obvious that some FT buyers did not transition over to Adobe Stock and our earnings are lower as a result.

I also notice some slight algorithm changes on changes on Adobe Stock and some of my bestsellers have dropped in the rankings.

It's not a dramatic change, but a 20% drop is still pretty noticeable from my peak. Adobe Stock used to outperform Shutterstock fairly easily. Now, they're comparable.

that's quite good..adobe stock not favors old timers and contributors who have lot of file high on ranking due to the fact that they uploaded before than others....they open real competition and new files sells,especially good one....not like ss where everything is already decided...earnong are aa straight line since three years no mater what you upload cause new files don't sell. i wish they change like adobe has done and give all the file a chance to be sold....once ss was ten times fotolia for me now in less than three months adobe has doubled each month and is not half only ss , today adobe has sold 5 times the file and more than 7 times the dollar.
ss search engine is totally biased towards old file and contributors who have a lot of file high on ranking, even if the not upload a lot or work hard. but i'm sure the new quarter will see changes even in ss cause it's clear they are losing market share  quarter after quarter.

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personally is ee a big improvement last three months...once adobe was 10% of ss , last three month is growing and is near already 40% with 30% less file.....tespecially the editorial are making me grow faster, i have a lot of editorial on ss who sold for more than 1k....return per download is higher near a dollar, while ss is falling down on this aspect to 0,55%...i sell three times on ss but earning are falling down there, 95% are subs.
i hope adobe improve like this, so in march april i will see it earning more than ss for sure.

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good luck trying to have some money back. good luck.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 14, 2019, 17:14 »
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?

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you wrote me already you don't earn nothing..so why spend all your time here trying to be an expert of something you are clearly a failure?

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 14, 2019, 17:13 »
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.
So if you are doing so well with your "strategy" why are you always complaining?


you should understand i foo photography for a living not for buy a pizza like you...maybe you will understand my strategy.....your strategy is zeo. you silly collect money from old file thanks to the fact that still ss favors old file...if they change this you will not even earn that pizza. simply.

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appalling world....what a mess of world are creating those " genius " of electronic...a world in the hands of nerds and that's where the mess is coming from.
one day we should rethink about some " genius" like steve jobs bill gates and all other. they have created or contributed to a better world? i doubt.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 14, 2019, 08:16 »
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.
It may come back to the old issue about revenue vs profit. If you are using a studio models  regularly buying equipment and travelling  then you may well need to generate that kind of money. Mstock is a small and diminishing part of my income...however my return on investment is very high as I have reduced my spending to close to zero (except my time).

my experience is at this point zero investment bring zero gain...shooting snapshot don't take you money, real money,,.sure if you want buy a lens for have a bunch of meals is a lot...model released images are the only wayy to make consistent money,  is not a case that most of but seller are model shooter.
in addiction everything cost, i shoot lot of food recently and believe me seems zero cost but it's very expensive. travel shooting is expensive...sure if you walk around the city take some snapshot and sell is a zero cost but how much you can earn?

in adddiction model released images at this point are the only barrier left against free website. released images give the buyer the insurance everything is correct while using free images with person in free sites can bring problem...the problem is that for a shooting with a model i need spend minimum 200 300 euro here.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 14, 2019, 08:12 »
if you want live a normal life with micro you better move to a country with that cost of life...7k dollar of files per month at this point are not a joke i tell you.
Eh? Where are you unable to live in Europe on $7k a month? (Of course, it depends what your expenses are in getting the $7K, and I'm assuming you're talking about US$ and not, e.g. HK$). Even in London and Paris you can live very well on US$7k pm.

7k after all expenses and taxes, and considering you need to calculate a profit for your ime....then the rest is for making a living and if you live in a country where tax is 50 % believe me if 1 2 k are left you are very good.....and we are talking about 84000 k dollar, now make calculation to sell only 0,38 cent, something that in the near future will be the norm considering that big sale are rare like water in desert....than you see that how many can live out of micro in western world country...sure gif you live in ukraine...zero cost tax 20 per cent or less...even 12 k per year can be very good.
run a business in a ny modern developed country you need minimum 50k. and if you have a family to feed believe me you will live pretty bad.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: I'm having horible month on SS
« on: November 13, 2019, 15:19 »
not really horrible the same...depsite uploading and improving uqlaity my revenue is simply a straight line since three years....not up and down the same...i will porbebaly end year between plus or minus 100 dollar compared to last three year. it's like having a fixed salary in practice and for me it's unbbielevabe. never a jump simply always the same level....the sals move towards that point every day iilll it's done.

as is getting better but in the las week despite having earned half the previous one my ranking weekly literally improved significantly...so it's depressing cause probably the sals level in as is slowly decreasing. unfortunately nothing new on the front line.. no matter the work i put on....next month i will stop uploading, at this point i have too many files backwardly awaiting to be uploaded...so i upload all now and then stop 2 6 months to rebuild strategy career...

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock reviewers are idiots
« on: November 13, 2019, 13:09 »
i uploaded a series about sex an sexualize society, with still life of sex toys also, and they rejectd for Objectionable Content ....while the database has more than 15000 images with sex toys, why they rejected it? are they near trumpism catholic bigotism? feel more and more ashamed to work in such environment and companies,......realy i hope soon they all failed so some new subject will arise to clean the stock industry.
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correction...they blocked anal plug but let in other anal toys...i thought it was the anal part the problem but actually not.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock reviewers are idiots
« on: November 13, 2019, 13:08 »
i uploaded a series about sex an sexualize society, with still life of sex toys also, and they rejectd for Objectionable Content ....while the database has more than 15000 images with sex toys, why they rejected it? are they near trumpism catholic bigotism? feel more and more ashamed to work in such environment and companies,......realy i hope soon they all failed so some new subject will arise to clean the stock industry.

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I sell vector stock illustrations and I have been doing it as full time job for years now.
I think now there is much more competition than few years ago as the numbers of contributors keeps growing, but you can surely give it a try. I am learning about animation now as I think in the future it will be more requested.
I think to get a good result you need to focus on it full time for some months at least, you cant expect to have immediate results.

where do you live?

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On my side I could easily live with the monthly earnings I have, but I keep investing and trying to find new ways to market my images. Note that I mostly do illustrations and videos (since 2009) and I have hired a lot of help to help me continue to create more stock. I do not do much photography as from what I read everywhere, it seems over saturated and it's hard to get a decent income.

I see this as a business so I reinvest part of the earnings to keep making my portfolio grow... I'm playing the game of making the monthly income grow as much as possible while not waiting too long to sit back and cash in as we never know what the market will be in 5 years or 10 years.

Some do not believe the earnings posted here but there is nothing to prove to others. I just keep working and building and finding new ways to market the images... giving a new try to new agencies here and there, working on merchandising (with no results yet), and keep working on my niche.

To me I see this more as a part of my business I work on and the numbers are encouraging on my side, can't complain for now. Like everyone I need to work 3x more to get the increase I would have had before, but I keep finding ways to increase the income.

In 2016 on Shutterstock only, I was making 2x what I was making last year. I tripled my portfolio size, and I just managed to gain as much or a little less than what I was gaining in 2015-2016... I just think that it's a lot harder to grow, but still possible. Hiring help for me was a good idea, but I still have to make up for the investment but it will pay off over the year.

I'm not a good reference of a ''classic microstocker'' but I found my way and it's been working out for me. What charged said is right. To me these days volume is important to some extent, and you need find a workflow that works for you. The ''working hard artist'' who spends a full day creating THE one shot will likely end up frustrated by the results :
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Posted by: charged
on: November 09, 2019, 16:20
1) You do not necessarily need to shoot in niches. Popular themes are popular for a reason. More competition but also more demand.
2) You need to think about how to recycle part of your work some how. Illustrators and motion graphics people can often easily recycle elements of their work to make new stuff. People who do photo composites also recycle part of their work. The recycling creates efficiency.
3) You need to rework your work flow so it moves faster. You may need to think out of the box to do the work flow in an unconventional manner to increase speed.
4) You need to figure out how to produce above average work. High quality work attracts downloads, which pushes the image up in rankings, which attracts more downloads.
5) With so many images already online, volume is sort of key to some extent.
6) Don't produce content that likely no body will want, ie pictures of your socks.
7) Develop some sort of 'style'. Doing the same things over and over again will help you refine your style, which increases speed. With lots of practice, your quality will also go up because you've had more practice. Once you have a style, my guess is that you are also more likely to be booked marked by customers.

so you need to work 24 hour and hire people just to keep business on line with last year...imagine if this is sustainable? no it's not...and the more you get older the more you won't have the strength to do this....sure this is a business that can work for some years but unfortunately the business will be over in less thant we think for 90% of contributor..the only way is go where cost of life is cheap and production cost are non existent...maybe there will be possible...it's not a case that every time i browse image in some agency a new serbian or urssian house if production pop up with the same model used and the same kind of shooting...in country where salary lower is 500 600 dollar you can live out of micro stock for long time...in country where is 2000 3000 i doubt many could do this

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General Macrostock / Re: $0,8 "Premium" sale at Cavan Images
« on: November 12, 2019, 06:45 »
Finally I have deleted all the images and the account, after having to threaten them. My recommendation is that you do not upload more images since they will remain with the rights of the same for 2 years.

yes but maybe you should have waited some time to have more sales? are they so bad' send 2 batches one very good docr christmas but thinking of not sending the big file now...

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General Macrostock / Re: $0,8 "Premium" sale at Cavan Images
« on: November 11, 2019, 11:34 »
had a premium sale for 0.85.....don't know if it's worth upload more.... i wanted even try western61....but don't know if' it's worth

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General - Top Sites / canva 11,95 unlimited
« on: November 06, 2019, 07:25 »
canta is giving away all istok collection for 11,95 dollar month.....i always said and believe firmly that getty is number one enemy for micro, and the one who killed the market, they simply are trying to dumping all market, selling for peanuts photos just to kill as and shutter stock...so for those penney you are receiving each month you are killing your business. think again next time you decide to upload items for getty.
they are killing your library earning.

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the big problem, is that rm is completely dying , so what will left for those artist who sold very high quality rm so far? simply inundate rf market, micro stock and all with exceptional quality images, so diluting even more the earning per image and per authors. unfortunately we won't see the truth, that this is a business ended in 2016, who probably can still give money for some years.

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