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« on: August 07, 2019, 08:00 »
Slide 5 tells you all you need to know from a contributor standpoint. Number of customers +2% number of contributors +100%. Number of Images up 37% downloads up 3%.
On a positive note, my bet is that most of these new contributors will never have more than 10 images in their port and remain small fish. The ones we have to fear are experienced contributors who set up image factories and are churning out thousands of images a week.
in the east europe they are popping out every day 2 3 factory, in belgrade there are literally hundred of them who use the same model, there is a model agency specialized in stock with 100 model who practically you can find in any serbian factory...russia the same and ukraine even more...cost of production are ridiculous and cost of living a third of europe...in case ukraine even less outside kiev...how can we compete with these factory if a shooting cost minimum 400 euro and living is super expensive? impossible. that's why most of contributor even in stocksy are coming from eastern euroep....thousand model ready to shoot for 8 dollar hour, studio equipped with profit light at 8 dollar hour rent....most employ 3 4 photographer paid pennies and producing thousand of photo every week.
No you can't compete if you produce directly comparable content...what makes you think you have some kind of right to? stock is a global industry.
nobody said i have some special right. i just explained why contributor in western emispeher will struggle to survive...like olfactory in western europe who close due to chinese competition. but you cant understand, you live of photography?
You don't have to live off photography to understand it...just have a basic understanding of Economics and History to see the same thing has happened to hundreds of industries over hundreds of years. Eastern Europe is in the Western hemisphere by the way. You give the impression you somehow resent people who come from countries with a lower standard of living and compete on price.
i don' t resend ...i am telling and explain gin why our revenue are falling down and why you can't compete if you live in a richer country with much les infrastructure for modeling and stock photography. you shoot lifestyle? model content? if not please avoid commenting.
When did you take over the forum? I gave up shooting models as I couldn't compete in that market maybe you should consider doing the same or live with it and stop whining. You might even find that when you look back on the day you stopped banging your head against a brick wall and found a more lucrative way of using your talents as one of your happiest days and thank me for it. 
now you compete? you live out of photography full time? if not why you are talking...part time and full time are two different story.
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« on: August 07, 2019, 06:52 »
Slide 5 tells you all you need to know from a contributor standpoint. Number of customers +2% number of contributors +100%. Number of Images up 37% downloads up 3%.
On a positive note, my bet is that most of these new contributors will never have more than 10 images in their port and remain small fish. The ones we have to fear are experienced contributors who set up image factories and are churning out thousands of images a week.
in the east europe they are popping out every day 2 3 factory, in belgrade there are literally hundred of them who use the same model, there is a model agency specialized in stock with 100 model who practically you can find in any serbian factory...russia the same and ukraine even more...cost of production are ridiculous and cost of living a third of europe...in case ukraine even less outside kiev...how can we compete with these factory if a shooting cost minimum 400 euro and living is super expensive? impossible. that's why most of contributor even in stocksy are coming from eastern euroep....thousand model ready to shoot for 8 dollar hour, studio equipped with profit light at 8 dollar hour rent....most employ 3 4 photographer paid pennies and producing thousand of photo every week.
No you can't compete if you produce directly comparable content...what makes you think you have some kind of right to? stock is a global industry.
nobody said i have some special right. i just explained why contributor in western emispeher will struggle to survive...like olfactory in western europe who close due to chinese competition. but you cant understand, you live of photography?
You don't have to live off photography to understand it...just have a basic understanding of Economics and History to see the same thing has happened to hundreds of industries over hundreds of years. Eastern Europe is in the Western hemisphere by the way. You give the impression you somehow resent people who come from countries with a lower standard of living and compete on price.
i don' t resend ...i am telling and explain gin why our revenue are falling down and why you can't compete if you live in a richer country with much les infrastructure for modeling and stock photography. you shoot lifestyle? model content? if not please avoid commenting.
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« on: August 07, 2019, 06:32 »
Slide 5 tells you all you need to know from a contributor standpoint. Number of customers +2% number of contributors +100%. Number of Images up 37% downloads up 3%.
On a positive note, my bet is that most of these new contributors will never have more than 10 images in their port and remain small fish. The ones we have to fear are experienced contributors who set up image factories and are churning out thousands of images a week.
in the east europe they are popping out every day 2 3 factory, in belgrade there are literally hundred of them who use the same model, there is a model agency specialized in stock with 100 model who practically you can find in any serbian factory...russia the same and ukraine even more...cost of production are ridiculous and cost of living a third of europe...in case ukraine even less outside kiev...how can we compete with these factory if a shooting cost minimum 400 euro and living is super expensive? impossible. that's why most of contributor even in stocksy are coming from eastern euroep....thousand model ready to shoot for 8 dollar hour, studio equipped with profit light at 8 dollar hour rent....most employ 3 4 photographer paid pennies and producing thousand of photo every week.
No you can't compete if you produce directly comparable content...what makes you think you have some kind of right to? stock is a global industry.
nobody said i have some special right. i just explained why contributor in western emispeher will struggle to survive...like olfactory in western europe who close due to chinese competition. but you cant understand, you live of photography?
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« on: August 07, 2019, 05:25 »
Slide 5 tells you all you need to know from a contributor standpoint. Number of customers +2% number of contributors +100%. Number of Images up 37% downloads up 3%.
On a positive note, my bet is that most of these new contributors will never have more than 10 images in their port and remain small fish. The ones we have to fear are experienced contributors who set up image factories and are churning out thousands of images a week.
in the east europe they are popping out every day 2 3 factory, in belgrade there are literally hundred of them who use the same model, there is a model agency specialized in stock with 100 model who practically you can find in any serbian factory...russia the same and ukraine even more...cost of production are ridiculous and cost of living a third of europe...in case ukraine even less outside kiev...how can we compete with these factory if a shooting cost minimum 400 euro and living is super expensive? impossible. that's why most of contributor even in stocksy are coming from eastern euroep....thousand model ready to shoot for 8 dollar hour, studio equipped with profit light at 8 dollar hour rent....most employ 3 4 photographer paid pennies and producing thousand of photo every week.
https://shootset.comthis is the agency. for those who know and browse the lifestyle category in ss or fotolia...you can easily recognize the red hair guy in the first page. he is practically present in hundred thousand photos. probably micro stock will become soon a eastern country agency and move their headquarter there?
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« on: August 07, 2019, 05:21 »
Slide 5 tells you all you need to know from a contributor standpoint. Number of customers +2% number of contributors +100%. Number of Images up 37% downloads up 3%.
On a positive note, my bet is that most of these new contributors will never have more than 10 images in their port and remain small fish. The ones we have to fear are experienced contributors who set up image factories and are churning out thousands of images a week.
in the east europe they are popping out every day 2 3 factory, in belgrade there are literally hundred of them who use the same model, there is a model agency specialized in stock with 100 model who practically you can find in any serbian factory...russia the same and ukraine even more...cost of production are ridiculous and cost of living a third of europe...in case ukraine even less outside kiev...how can we compete with these factory if a shooting cost minimum 400 euro and living is super expensive? impossible. that's why most of contributor even in stocksy are coming from eastern euroep....thousand model ready to shoot for 8 dollar hour, studio equipped with profit light at 8 dollar hour rent....most employ 3 4 photographer paid pennies and producing thousand of photo every week.
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« on: August 07, 2019, 04:37 »
They are killing their business 450000 more conytiboutor... desperate mostly who need some dollars to survive. Their strategy is appalling really. Speexhless why they are killing a business for many without actually any benefit for them apart more server to stoxk more files. The only way to survive is high uality and sell through agenvy like stocksy. Pr going living in siberia and produncing million files each year for penny.
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« on: August 06, 2019, 06:22 »
not only as but i'd say all agency are falling down and is not the classic summer slowdown which i never had in the past years....ss after a great july for example show a completely sudden death
SS has been good for me... been a good July and excellent start to Aug... just AS that's tanked.
for me ss has tanked much much more than as...ss is like 10 per cent of last august so far...not even in 2007 i had a start of august like this...only subs...0 on demand...1 single of 5 dollar...really seems like i'm non existent in sss....despite already having lifestyle for autumn and christmas uploaded in half july.
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« on: August 06, 2019, 06:11 »
yesterday ai received a briefing from sss customer...a super briefing for a lifestyle shoot with exclusivity and you know 40 dollar per image...40 dollar!! and you not even know if they will accept your images!!! i eran more money in one hour shooting of couple in a beach than 10 assign,int like this....how they think i can recover expenses!! wifi cannot even resell the photos' 4 8 model, lot of action , different style,, mixed race and i lieve in a county where finding a black model is not the easiest thing...for company who earn hundreds of millions and whose managers probably spend 40 dollar just for having their nails done! this industry should i hope soon collapse and bankrupt.
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« on: August 06, 2019, 06:04 »
i thinks is more saturation of market and that's all...sson it will be even worst and most till nobody could make a living out of it...i mean a serious living, in a modern western country...sure if you live in a jungle in cambogia o in some remote russian town maybe you can still make a good living for that standard. earning 5 6k with micro stock will be a dream for 99,99 %. it's only a matter of small time.
personally i'm already differentiate through other source of income. but really what's the point of this? accepting zillions images that never sell, invention zillions more photographer to the party to make them earning 1 dollar month...i mean is not stupid this?
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« on: August 06, 2019, 05:30 »
not only as but i'd say all agency are falling down and is not the classic summer slowdown which i never had in the past years....ss after a great july for example show a completely sudden death
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« on: August 04, 2019, 15:12 »
So basically you are saying 12 million video files is similar to 400 million stock photos?
And now the only solution is to go ultra low in price and it is best
if pond5 does that first?
Then why not encourage the exclusive artists to offer content for 50 dollars? Or even less?
Basically it sounds like stock video is already over and producers should try to figure out what other medium is coming up next for higher production value?
Or only do 8k (16k) video?
pond5 has 400 000 files in their membership program, so they are playing that game too.
400 million where? ss has 280...in addiction how many video are sold? probably one video every 1000 sale of photos.....so yes 12 millions video considering the demand are a lot of off...so that's why video prices are going down like a rocket...probably in the next year they will be much much lower even for credit or on demand.
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« on: August 04, 2019, 12:12 »
When the industry had 12 million stock photos I was earning up to 450 dollars a day on a port of 3000 images...
12 million video files is nothing. When the agencies started to have several hundred million photo files...that is when the actual oversupply started.
I donˋt get the drastic drop in video prices, there is barely enough content for the serious buyer.
Ok, sunsets, clouds and grass in the wind is oversupplied, but well done professional clips?
I mean the planet has more food recipes than the agencies have files.
What pond5 is doing just doesnt make sense.
There is A LOT they can do to improve the buyer interface to make it much easier to search and collect files.
But to just exclude content from a search by selecting a price point?
Why would they do that?
And how do the exclusive artists benefit?
Do they have to drop all their prices to 50 dollars to remain visible?
Noone is reporting an increase in sales.
demand for video is much much much much lower than photo i'd say lower much more than 20 times....12 million are a lot compared to the demand.
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« on: August 04, 2019, 07:51 »
soon industry standard will be 6 dollar per file and those celebrating themselves will soon be in aa sea of s...t....because clearly demand want never increase to make for the lost of ropyfalty..it's only a matter of months not years. soon the royalty on pond5 will decrease till 35 30 per cent...it's only a matter of time. video will follow the same path of photo, is a matter of months. already 12 millions file soon 20 then 50 and demand staggering will make the pricer file collapse. it's only a matter of time.
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« on: August 02, 2019, 10:56 »
I can't see that it's worth wasting any energy worrying about that bloke who will sink or swim according to the market. And I've seen much worse.
Though I don't care a fig about SS, I do find it worrying that 'owenr1 osemarie' is still rapidly uploading stolen images with false captions.
A recent example:
"Tokyo/JAPAN- 06/25/2019 Tokyo 2020, Olympic site construction in process"
https://www.shutterstock.com/es/image-photo/tokyojapan-06252019-tokyo-2020-olympic-site-1458093296?src=44wCe6aCMzHL4z_jRXBESg-1-80
Seems to be lifted from Getty:
"MONTREAL, QC - NOVEMBER 18: An aerial view of Olympic Stadium and the Biodome and Saputo Stadium and Olympic Park and Olympic Village are seen from above on November 18, 2012 in Montreal, Quebec. (Photo by Tom Szczerbowski/Getty Images)"
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/an-aerial-view-of-olympic-stadium-and-the-biodome-and-news-photo/156799098
I've reported it to Getty, but as I'm not the original author, it'll be informative to see if they'll take any action. Except that we'll never know.
1 Do you think owenr is a coded indication that he's not the owner?
(More likely it's a typo for Rosemarie Owen)
Makes you wonder why jonbull is so concerned with what somebody new uploads.
Owenr looks like Owen, R the thief hasn't been shut down yet. I wonder if Getty will write to SS and get some action. Getty is known for suing.
im not concerned at all...i'm amazed how sad has become this industry..t
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« on: August 01, 2019, 07:54 »
AS is not looking good. Down a consistent slide to 30% off from January. And that wasnt so hot to start.
fotolia is the worst performing of the three...summer is falling down compared to is and ss....the problem is they not accept editorial and in my opinion sell mostly stuff where i'm not strong , lifestyle illustration, landmark and classic travel photography. anyway doom time in front. august started so slow.
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« on: July 31, 2019, 04:58 »
Its ana rrogant man who doesnt have a clue what geis talking avout... serial spammer the worar sanple of whwre thisnindustrybhas gone nowadays. And indoubt heis even near 500 dollar. A lot of people in the beginning had very few images in 10months considering the 10 week limit.... he has 7000 images and doesnt sell practicalky nothing despite he thought he is tactic would have made himnprobably much much more
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« on: July 30, 2019, 14:44 »
Part of it is due to companies like videoblocks saying "GIVE AWAY YOUR CONTENT FOR PENNIES, AND YOU'll MAKE "LOTS"!". And people believing that, and making their content for virtually free.
microstock in general IS, SS, AD, FT, 123, DT and now GI is nothing more than a microstock agency, due to pressure from where it all went, SOUTH. i recently saw one of my photos being used by a major automobile manufacturer and i got a whopping 0.38c for it (after taxes I might get 0.25c). considering this company makes a quarterly profit of several hundred million dollars, I'd say that is what is wrong with the whole industry. before microstock came along that would have easily been a 4-5 thousand dollar sale = sustainable.
Back in the days when stock agencies were just that and acted as your agent and you had value, not they could care less about you and your creative content assets. And now we are all expendable. It used to be a complete badge of honour to be a GI contributor, now it's an gut wrenching embarrassment.
getty images is the king of going south...please don't uptown things. for em the biggest error was at the begining when they decided to choose one dollar as symbolic prize for micro stock...5 dollar couldn't have been so impactful but much more sustainable in the wrong and i doubt lot of buyers would have complained consideringg the hundreds dollar minimum of macro agency in 2008. unpslash has leaving a mark...hundred million of download stolen to micro...i don't deny most of them are well deserved considering the fact that when you browse unspalsh is a joy micro stock especially new file makes me only puke. and the best part will be when unsplash founder will cash out with 100 million dollar and all those idiots who make him rich will continue earning penny, as happened already with pixabay and the other site bought by canvas.
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« on: July 29, 2019, 16:49 »
At the risk of starting another argument because people can't read, don't want to understand or whatever I feel that stock photography is not art photography, that to make money you have to be fast and above all you have to produce many images. Now watch a bunch of rubes come along and argue this point. The great and most excellent photographer Phil Lowe himself states that he does not do stock photography. Why he peddles his masterpieces at 33 cents a copy I don't understand but to each his or her own. I do stock. I'm learning to quickly produce images that sell. They are not art. They are stock. People with piddly ports of less than 1000 images, especially less than 500 images should not even comment. How do they know anything about stock? Well, the fact that they have small ports proves they don't know stock. So, yeah, I'm not taking those kinds of pictures anymore because they are too hard to do, take too much time and maybe bring in a quarter and maybe not. Like your pictures geogif. Good work. one that wrote this idiot stuff should be put in siberian jail....not only he is a miserable failure..he stil thinks to be on the right track... he should ask what this guy tell about his word https://it.fotolia.com/p/202483008a guy that has sold only in fotolia more than 250000 images and probably much much more,....with only 2000 images...ok he started when the golden era was at its peak...but still selling like crazy and uploading probably not even 100 foot per year.
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« on: July 29, 2019, 16:43 »
yes i was reading today and he wrote that has not even reached the 500 dollar threshold...probably in october end...so it's probably not even near 350dollar in near a year uploading with 7000 files...and most of his sale are from the wall story between mexico env usa....so when those photos will not be so important the rest of his portfolio is worth like the paper i clean my a....s....after popo.
what make m laugh it's that he is not even humble to say i'm sorry my experiment is a complete failure...he say he's selling something,...ahahah....the problem this zillions of portfolio like that are that they hide good content especially new.
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« on: July 26, 2019, 12:45 »
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/instagram-stock-photography-careeranother million contributor who addd 90 millions image daily so the median revenue for contributor will be 1 dollar month....sure keep adding contributor just to have more files to sell for 25 cent of royalty...keep adding ss. unfortunately when most of instagrammer realize there is no cash to be made with idiot post they will put all images on micro stock. instead of cleaning the collection for all the garbage added in the last years please add another billion images....WE NEED it. At least most of instagram are much better than 90% of contributor added in the last year. at least.
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« on: July 24, 2019, 07:04 »
double download compared to june and triple earning....mostly thanks to 80 90 sale through partner program, eery one for 0,85 cent. i think is canvas cause they all come from austrlaia...probably a single user bought all , i hope not to resell in stock web sit:)
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« on: July 24, 2019, 07:03 »
best month of the year and probablybest month ever...with 140 video i sold 7 near 5 % of collection, makes me angry not to have uploaded more video...best month in stock poor as.
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« on: July 23, 2019, 11:08 »
the best part is that site like pixabay and the other have been bought by canvas for probably millions dollars...peoplle who didn't do nothing practically just bought server to store free images, and killed micro stock cash out millions dollar in the face of those idiots who uploaded their files for free expecting some sort of invisible exposure .....it's unbelievable the army of idiot created by the social media era...it's good to know that if you have a good idea , manipulating reality you can simply makes millions thanks to an army of sheep.
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« on: July 22, 2019, 09:51 »
Agree. Last 6 Months. terrible. 7000 Images.I feel Like laughing. Thats about all I can do.
7000 images are nothing today. or yu have a super niche and or a superb lifestyle portfolio...or you have 50k generalist images with normal content....with 7000 images like yours the results will be always worst month after month.it's not 2008 anymore....so stop complaining and star producing...maybe you will see the results will be better.
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« on: July 20, 2019, 13:09 »
115 sale are marked as partner portal sale...mostly gave me 0,85 cent...not bad, seems coming from australia only and a bunch south korea, seems like somebody download a loto of my photos ...maybe is the canva deal?
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