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« on: February 19, 2020, 10:30 »
0,26 cent per download i think this say all... a lot mostly partner portal, canvas, sale for 8 cent...at this point considering that my sale at canvas are increasing...is time to begin upload again in canvas and ditch stock...this is the industry of stock in 2020...unfortunately there is simply zero future for professional contributor...
worst 0,22,....best month of download...due to 198 partner sale all for whopping 7 cent...not only they kill my stock eantning but even canvas seems...hope getty owner die tomorrow
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« on: February 19, 2020, 08:33 »
Hi:
jonbull: thank you for your optimism man!
Noedelhap: thank you for your time and you more detailed and helpfull answer. I went over to ESP and could see the upload form but it says Istock creative image, video, etc. Doeas it mean that it will upload to Istock instead of getty or is it al the same? confusing.
Uncle P: Thank you, i answered your message but not sure if i send it right as i don't see any sent tray.
Thank you!
there is nothing to do with optimism...you would realize that for someone that not upload for years and still earn a payout, what means? that old files sell and new not...it's simple...and it's how ss site works...if the kill best images categories everything will change but since they accept all crap in the world nobody will ever search for new content but go straight top earning images, in addiction new file if not sell soon as they are on page one got easily buried by craps in a bunch of days....it's the same for any contributor...
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« on: February 19, 2020, 08:31 »
Hi:
jonbull: thank you for your optimism man!
Noedelhap: thank you for your time and you more detailed and helpfull answer. I went over to ESP and could see the upload form but it says Istock creative image, video, etc. Doeas it mean that it will upload to Istock instead of getty or is it al the same? confusing.
Thank you!
John Bull...someone who has been saying for years its a waste of time but still carries on...I don't get it.
ithe situation is this out doesn't mean i cannot live out of photograph but the growth is gone..
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« on: February 18, 2020, 17:05 »
0,26 cent per download i think this say all... a lot mostly partner portal, canvas, sale for 8 cent...at this point considering that my sale at canvas are increasing...is time to begin upload again in canvas and ditch stock...this is the industry of stock in 2020...unfortunately there is simply zero future for professional contributor...
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« on: February 18, 2020, 12:54 »
at this point is totally useless waist of time..the fact that you still earn a payout despite not uploading should tell you enough...new files sell randomly and few. adobe a bit better but don't expect miracles...i would focus on freelance career and still earn payout without any efforts....microstock is dead despite what other keep telling, or if you live in some country where with 600 dollar you can survive.
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« on: February 17, 2020, 09:08 »
it's a company who clearly don't have a clue of what they are doing...rejection for invisible noise is the norm, then they add fe noise crap that can be seen especially from new contributors...really go to some thread of shutter stock forum and see some portfolio, files without any clues or interest commercial value added daily,unbelievable...next financial year will be the nail odin the coffin of this company.
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« on: February 15, 2020, 07:02 »
I'm glad we can all have a serious talk about this because we can't keep fooling ourselves or others. This business is drying up for many of us no matter what we do.
I don't think Editorial is good enough to make up for the loss and that is why I place them Exclusively at alamy. My last sale there was a few days ago for $74 gross. I don't think people fetch that kind of money with their editorials on SS but I may be wrong. I still think RM has it's place in the stock market.
Travel is not the best if you want to succeed in Microstock, so is wildlife. A tiny vector/image port with good conceptual imagery or holidays or even food will easily outperform a much, much larger portfolio filled with travel or wildlife.
You'd have to be uploading art to be successful at that but then you're an idiot for fetching pennies for your art. I've seen more then a couple of those wandering around SS forum thinking they are the sh.t! I also see plenty of high end art portfolio's in Microstock. It still amazes me some people add no value to their hard work and totally lack self-respect.
At this stage I see no reason why Video should be any different then imagery. It's getting as saturated as the image market and even worse in price wars between agencies or contributors (P5 pricing)
Sometimes we all have to know when to move on.
Bingo!
videos the biggest royalty....ss economy is falling down next year they will cut commission in video to regain some profit for sure, images already are so tiny commission i doubt they will touch a lot, probably;y a 10 per cent....but video really is where they will cut....and they dont- care to pass from 25 dollar to 3 5 dollar, there will be always eastern europe country producer indian thailand for whom 3 dollar is very good.....we only should hope all those agency will bankrupt and everything start from scratch.
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« on: February 15, 2020, 06:59 »
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/lightfield%20studios?sort=newest&page=21for example see this firm in kiev, is a big studio, last 4 years become stock...is a copycat contributors, every concept is copied by other already seen, there is no soul in the work, just repetition of concept already seen, but cause they pay model penny they can produce 15000 images per month, using many photographer and staff to find idea, or better copy....as you see look nice shot, but very basic, seems more an industry of replication... now see a real master of lifestyle, many other can be found in cavanimages for other old macro agency, all from western hemisphere.... https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jacoblundreal image, look cinematic, fresh, excellent model with western world face feature, excellent light, crafted images with soul.....most images are copycatted by eastern producers, you can easily see. even jacob move to south africa another location that-s is very good due to weather and less cost , but higher than eastern europe.. soon those kind of producer will stop due to the massive competition from eastern europe... and we end up with thousand of images with the same model , with face typical of eastern world, russian woman are beautiful but their face is not the face of an italian or spanish woman. but ss want-s this. so they will have this and fall down down.
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« on: February 15, 2020, 06:51 »
I'm glad we can all have a serious talk about this because we can't keep fooling ourselves or others. This business is drying up for many of us no matter what we do.
I don't think Editorial is good enough to make up for the loss and that is why I place them Exclusively at alamy. My last sale there was a few days ago for $74 gross. I don't think people fetch that kind of money with their editorials on SS but I may be wrong. I still think RM has it's place in the stock market.
Travel is not the best if you want to succeed in Microstock, so is wildlife. A tiny vector/image port with good conceptual imagery or holidays or even food will easily outperform a much, much larger portfolio filled with travel or wildlife.
You'd have to be uploading art to be successful at that but then you're an idiot for fetching pennies for your art. I've seen more then a couple of those wandering around SS forum thinking they are the sh.t! I also see plenty of high end art portfolio's in Microstock. It still amazes me some people add no value to their hard work and totally lack self-respect.
At this stage I see no reason why Video should be any different then imagery. It's getting as saturated as the image market and even worse in price wars between agencies or contributors (P5 pricing)
Sometimes we all have to know when to move on.
Bingo!
move on of course or differentiate in photography....but every field is saturate d as hell...everybody especially younger want be photographer, mostly don-t have a clue . is and rely on parents income or some form of money, grandma inheritance(_, then make some photos and think oh amazing then at 35 they are busted completely without any chance to find nothing else cause work don-t wait you unfortunately, instagram is full of this sample, as micostock, private....for me the best is work on the territory, wedding , private shooting work for company, those kind i skipped when doing micro, now seems much much better, earning much more and strangely with the same tiny competition, because every body want be,, clearly m doing sideline business also with some idea i caught in frequent traveler,. i think micro will en up also in those country...cost of living is rising there, especially ukraine, russia also, and most factory are earning less and less like any contributor...soon there will be no need for them also...i have already seen in stocksy many contributor produce less content than in past, even stocksy is today a saturated library. s
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« on: February 14, 2020, 13:16 »
Well any suggestions then?  You guys are much better at explaining this. Hopefully you get my point though and surely I'm not the only one that has noticed this?
I shall change it to "low standard of living".
go to belgrade and shoot there...it's the only situation possible... https://shootset.comif you browse this agency you will see model who appear itterally in millions of photos, all made in belgrade...in a country where median salary is 5 600 month there are literally 300 400 stock firm production...unbielevable,....is an industry fueled buy the low cost of production and living of this country...even stocksy is full of serbian artist...talented some other copycats...but the point is that they do this cause their production cost are practically 10 times those of usa europe photographers. and we get the same revenue. it's unfortunately this the situation...and agency end up with only those model together with other 30 40 ukrainian and russian.
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« on: February 14, 2020, 13:08 »
Microstock is already being dominated by contributors from low standard of living countries. Look up any word in search and you'll mostly find Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, etc... up top.
If these people are satisfied with the peanuts they get and their work still has high quality and commercial value then both the agency and the contributor will be satisfied.
BUT there is one big downside to this. If they continue to thrive on these contributors they will get stuck with the same type of work. If they lose too many contributors from northern/western Europe and most importantly the US they will lack a lot of good and unique content, maybe even the best because sad to say but the copycats, spammers and thieves also seem to come from these low standard countries.
I've also noticed lately that a lot of contributors, again mostly from low standard of living countries sell their clips for 25 bucks on P5. They can sell low because 300 or 500 bucks a month gets them a long way and they also eliminate the competition, or so they think anyway.
What they don't understand is that by doing this they also contribute the most to the downfall of this market eliminating themselves. With these low prices FREE is closer then ever so eventually they won't be able to survive in this market either.
they do because they cost of living are 5 times less than europe...in kiev a packet of cigarette was 80 cent, a ride in taxi in center 1 dollar.....maybe in last two years price have increased 20 percent but still nothing compared to any country...that's why everybody with a camera in kiev shoot micro stock...you know how much earn a mcdonald cashier? 200 dollar month....even with a mediocre lifestyle photographer everybody can earn like this and it's much better hour time....so that's why everybody is shooting micro, but prices are raising in those country, when they will reach near western countries you will see that many will abandon microstoc
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« on: February 14, 2020, 13:05 »
Microstock is already being dominated by contributors from low standard of living countries. Look up any word in search and you'll mostly find Russia, Ukraine, India, Thailand, etc... up top.
If these people are satisfied with the peanuts they get and their work still has high quality and commercial value then both the agency and the contributor will be satisfied.
BUT there is one big downside to this. If they continue to thrive on these contributors they will get stuck with the same type of work. If they lose too many contributors from northern/western Europe and most importantly the US they will lack a lot of good and unique content, maybe even the best because sad to say but the copycats, spammers and thieves also seem to come from these low standard countries.
I've also noticed lately that a lot of contributors, again mostly from low standard of living countries sell their clips for 25 bucks on P5. They can sell low because 300 or 500 bucks a month gets them a long way and they also eliminate the competition, or so they think anyway.
What they don't understand is that by doing this they also contribute the most to the downfall of this market eliminating themselves. With these low prices FREE is closer then ever so eventually they won't be able to survive in this market either.
it's the truth and will be more and more the norm...they will have agency with only russophible contributor with model only of those places...i always say this...when you pay a model 5 dollar or nothing in most cases, or maximum 15 dollar hours, studio less than 10 dollar hour and most of all everything cost 5 times less than any modern country, it's clear that even earn 1000 dollar is good enough...unfortunately or fortunately if you shoot lifestyle you need move there especially belgrade where there are zillions of image house shooting the same 10 models and the same 100 concept.
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« on: February 13, 2020, 14:40 »
Here is the article https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenbertoni/2020/02/13/shutterstock-founder-and-ceo-jon-oringer-to-step-down-in-april/#295a04167e8b
Time to enjoy life, he's an advisor now.
Here's the part that scares me: "... streamline operations, expand the marketplaces margins, and make the core photo product more valuable to customers. "
1) Less staff, less support, no one checking for theft or other cheaters.
2) margins = less commissions paid?
3) more valuable to customers = lower prices.
Feel free to disagree or correct me, but I don't see the new plan as something to make me optimistic about our future earnings.
More and more looks like a self portrait.
i think they will hit mostly video producer where margins to less commissions are big big...probably try selling more newcomers images at 0,25 cent instead 0,38...
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« on: February 13, 2020, 11:07 »
shutterstock is losing 8per cent at nasdaq after the @ brilliant@ outlook...well deserved but not enough i wish heir stock go to 2 dollar at least even ringer will suffer a bit...they are killing a business and people who seriously spent time contributing without any reason really...70 millions content added 99% of which are garbage and totally useless....they kare killing any serious contributor and this is the results...practically zero growth, skyrocketing cost, falling down edit....good job shutter subs.
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« on: February 13, 2020, 10:01 »
still video producer think that they forever will earn 29 dollar per royalty and earn always enough? wake up video is already finished....pond5 is just surviving...like ss like adobe...soon everybody will cut royalty and sells video for 1,50 dollar....that'happens when 200 million people in the world think they can be a photographer videographer in a market who at most can sustain 200-300000. stop complaining , work hard or quit, this is the state of industry.
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« on: February 13, 2020, 08:03 »
checked last year february and this year in practice day by day the same trend., big sales in the same days, from 9 to 15 practically a complete slow down, then strong last ten days....foor me it-s not even a surprise cause I'm 100% that the level off sales is totally controlled by ss to sustain the wish of every contributors to upload...but always funny to see it...at best i have a fixed income that can be bad but sometimes even good.
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« on: February 12, 2020, 05:49 »
last week completely dead as
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« on: February 11, 2020, 14:35 »
last week i see adobe falling down...don' t know but super slow...i know i shall begin shooting video.
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« on: February 11, 2020, 14:33 »
Thanks! Interesting as always! I bought the Mavic 2 Pro and have been very happy so far!
This may be of interest to US readers - I did manage to pass my FAA drone pilots test after about a month of study and wrote about my experiences of that and my early learning with a drone over on the Dreamstime Blog: https://www.dreamstime.com/blog/first-commercial-steps-drone-53380
I've no idea how other countries manage this, but overall I found that exam harder than I expected although (and never forget this if you take this exam) the answers to quite a number of questions are in the legend at the front of the chart book they supply when you take the test itself.
Steve
dint talk about this in this thread or they will cancel the thread...probabbly nobody in micro stock apart one two have any legit right to sell anything from drone,. cause probably nobody is a commercial flyers...but when the time arrives it will be a disaster for their pocket.
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« on: February 10, 2020, 14:14 »
in arctic he said just trying getting the last dollar till everything end up....shooting new content is useless relying on old files to earn still enough to survive...video ...everybody moving to video so it will be saturated in less time than photos,.....tha'ts it....by the way move to south afirca or eastern europe if you want to produce content at good price so maybe you can hope to break even...in 5 years probably he won't shoot at all.
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« on: February 10, 2020, 08:03 »
adobe has a much higher rpd in my case, and it's growing strong but ss is keeping strong first due to many 100 and 5a nd more sales while adobe lack completely this, but it has many 3,3 dollar sale that make for an rpd that is 1,5 dollar in the last two months....
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« on: January 31, 2020, 09:10 »
I was going to focus more on Adobe Stock but 1 sale on Jan 29, 1 sale on Jan 30 and 1 sale on Jan 31. That's on 2k port with images and videos. I mean common they really must think we're a bunch of fools and we are in a way for putting up with all this.
For many sales on new files are non-existent at both Shutterstock and Adobe Stock. Why we still upload new material is beyond me. We might as well ride it out selling nothing but our old files. It doesn't matter if you upload new work, niche, videos, 3D, etc... it all seems to be hidden from the buyers 
Those who claim good sales are mostly hobbyists so nothing to go by, sorry. I expect February to be even worse. Why should anything change anyway, we keep uploading with less return so all is well right!
3 sales make you an hobbyist sorry.
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« on: January 27, 2020, 09:36 »
here we are ....asking premium content....apeople reflect, i repeat reflect...watch portfolio and think what is true and not sure...then you understand pre,mum content....
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« on: January 24, 2020, 06:58 »
108 single sale yesterday , a ray of sun....i expect my account dead for the next week:)...adobe instead look dead in the last 4 days despite a superb 20 days in january...
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« on: January 23, 2020, 14:19 »
at the moment including instagram fake influencers, photographer, tumbler, micro macro all genre of photography there are no less than 100 million photographer out there, and there is revenue to sustain no more than one million probably.....so it's not a mistery that photography is a dying job. personally i have a very good january on ss and as..the rest is dead...but soon in the last three days as is dead seems like it's beginning the same cap as ss. when you reach your month quota switch off the portfolio....ss is great in terms of number but they are most sub. i hope all the rest agency close the doors, and ss began cleaning the database, maybe they could help those who live out of photography to survive and make hobbyist finally out of business.
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