Are you setting the "HD" clips to between $60-80? Or is that the 4K version?

Just sold a simple HD clip with no models, movement, or hard to get location for $150.  I guess that's better than 60,000 clips for the same price?  My HD is priced at 79-150.

Quote from: tickstock on April 12, 2019, 11:25

Are they also pushing the subscription sharing model because of contributors desire for that?  I remember people saying only bloggers use SS not serious buyers with money.  Getting 100% is better than getting 50% so I'm not sure they want to push marketplace content, if they did they would make it easy to see that content and put it in the similars space but they don't, they also wouldn't be trying to get contributors to sign up for the subscription sharing program either.

Also when you do a search there the marketplace clips are hidden by default, only membership files are shown.  When you click show all you get a pop up warning about them and then in the generic search I did only 1 out of the first 60 clips was a marketplace clip.

You don't seem to be following the reasoning here... We're not discussing promotion of the subscriptions, they have ALWAYS had that as their main product.

Only subscribers got the marketplace clips for $49, so naturally, only if they didn't find what they needed in the unlimited section, they would go to the marketplace clips. Now, when they cost $79 anyway, the subscription isn't worth as much, and they can go to Pond5 and find cheaper $25 clips, or a better library (including the clips they may find at VB, since they're all spread out) of $79 clips at Shutterstock/Pond5/Adobe.

Non-subscribers who shopped around for price before the change, needing more than 6-7 clips got a great deal by subscribing and getting thousands of free clips + the same clips they wanted for $49. That is not the case anymore. Now they just get a mediocre unlimited library with no other benefits.

Therefore, very few marketplace sales.

My point is that they probably wanted that.  At some point, when they had enough content, they were going to get rid of the marketplace which I think they are setting up right now.  The marketplace content was just used to get people to buy subscriptions.  Raising prices makes their content more attractive.  If it doesn't sell then they can argue you should join the subscription sharing program.

I suppose you haven't considered that pushing them to raise marketplace prices by over 60% caused the potential buyers to look elsewhere?

The typical VB customers are not bigger budget advertisers that go to Pond5 and Shutterstock mainly. They are small subscription users that sometimes could stretch their budget to one or two $49 clips. Even that was probably out of reach for most.

And then you probably got quite a few buyers shopping around for the cheapest price, and now there is no reason for them to buy from VB instead of P5 or Shutterstock, where you get 40% or 30%.

Are you sure they didn't raise their marketplace prices so that the subscriptions would be more attractive?  When I look at their marketplace clips they all link to free files when you click on them, all the similars are subscription files.  How do you know what their typical customer is?  They list ABC, NBC, the History Channel, MTv, Travel Channel etc... as clients.  Those aren't small companies with tiny budgets.  VB sells at $79 the same as SS.

If you sign in, terms state you need to accept you grant them access to give your assets for free for promotional reasons. Does this mean the monthly freebies they distribute or other promos we do not know about? Also has someone understood the price range contributors will earn from photos?

Who knows?  If you can figure it out good for you:
"Net Revenue: Gross subscription revenue less all fixed fees payable to Contributors for Items downloaded, taxes (including VAT, GST and other transactional taxes paid by us or the buyer), refunds, reversals, affiliate costs, costs we incur in relation to services offered as part of the Envato Twenty20 subscription (including, without limitation, amounts we agree to pay to third party service providers and other costs we incur in making those services available to customers), costs we incur in commissioning or directly licensing content for Envato Twenty20 from non-contributors, discounts and promotional offers, and payment processing fees. Subscription revenue received in currencies other than US dollars (for example, Euro) will be converted to US dollars prior to the calculation of the Net Revenue in US dollars."

If they sell a monthly subscription for $99 and the buyer licenses 1,000 images (it's unlimited so someone could download every image on the site) you would get ($99 - taxes - refunds - affiliate costs - other costs - promos - processing fees)/1,000. 

Yes, I know. At the moment I am getting 30-50 cents.

There is theory, there is the real world.

The only place licensing my files for 2 cents and often for far less than 1 cent is Gettyimages.

Have you read the terms, they basically can pay whatever they feel like.  Did you know that they can take a cut of your sales for directing clients to buy things from non-contributors for example.

First I've heard of this site and it is probably the worst one out there.  This is the bottom of the race to the bottom only thing lower is free.

It's not in our interest to support lots of sites fighting to see who can be the cheapest or take the biggest cut to increase market share.  The problem is exactly that, all these sites have the same content so they compete on price adding more to the mix doesn't do anyone any good. If Pond5 changes you can always leave.

I don't have time to write all that I went over with this new Storyblocks deal. I feel this is very important to this community! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyeQmy3BV70

I'll go out on a limb and predict this will not be optional in a year.

Do they sell??

But...one more option...and I don't have to add extra work to find out.

But you also don't know what they pay, would it be good if you found out they pay 15%?  Not saying that's what they pay but they could.

My time is valuable.

Uploading and distributing videos is a lot of work. If I didn't believe this would make me money, do you seriously think I would be doing it??

I am still uploading to all the places, except Vimeo. Does Vimeo take individual artists?

But I am trying to optimize my uploads, some stuff goes into my personal ports, the others go into the Blackbox. I think they are very aptly named.

It works really well for me.

I can understand that it looks strange, but like I said, please avoid them if you don't see any value in it. It is just an option.

I also signed up for an additional exclusive port on pond5...still need to come up with a good concept for that as well.

More options are good, at least for me.

Didn't even know vimeo had stock and more options are good as long as they benefit contributors.

On Getty I paid 80% to have my files distributed, on Istock my files are paying 85% for that honor...so BB really is very, very cheap...

Distributors are not new, they have been around since forever...

Are you really just learning about them now??

You realize you don't need to pay them an extra 20% to upload to Shutterstock, Adobe, and Pond5 right?  You can do that all on your own.  Instead of uploading to one site you can upload to five and keep 20% more money.  I can't see how that makes sense if you expect your videos to get a couple sales in the next decade and if you don't why bother shooting, editing, and uploading in the first place?

If you don't share, you can close your account like just like anywhere else.

If you share you have a contract with partners, just like if you make the contract outside of BB. They expect to be paid, obviously. You can't cheat people out of their money whenever you like. they put their time and effort into it.

If I ever had an agreement with someone to give them a percentage of my sales I would not let a keyworder, or model, or studio determine where I put the work.  Giving up control of your work to someone who just does keywording seems like a very bad idea.

Quote from: cobalt on April 09, 2019, 11:54

Just talk to people who want to go artist exclusive somewhere, how hard it is and how long it takes to have all your files removed.

I think we have seen that over the years. Getty sure makes the rest look easy and more adaptable. All or nothing, no kidding. 

I wouldn't say all the rest but it's good to understand the terms before you contribute.