Quote from: tickstock on April 09, 2019, 10:55

I see you need to get permission to take down "jointly created content" which seems to include videos that someone else just keyworded.  It doesn't say anything about how that is determined or if they will ever agree to it.  Seems like a huge risk if something happens and all your work is stuck there.

It is the same risk you have when uploading to Gettyimages directly as a house contributor or to many other places. They also don't allow you to remove individual files, you can just delete your account. Same for any other macro distributor that takes exclusive content. BB works the same way.

getting a sharer permission is an additional step, but logical.

You need a large team to be able to chase down individual deactivations at partner agencies, it is not that easy. It has to be done manually from what I have heard elsewhere (not BB). With 30 000 contributors I understand that this would be expensive to do. Might also lead to what is described above, BB gets used for processing and metadata, then content gets deleted and goes elsewhere.

I didn't know you needed to get permission from most sites to leave?  I haven't heard of that before.  What if they don't give you permission, it seems clear they could just say no.  "The above licenses will continue unless and until you receive agreement to, and remove, Jointly Created Content from the Site, in which case the licenses will terminate within a commercially reasonable period of time."  It's not even clear who the permission needs to come from, the site or the keyworder, the model, the studio, all of them?   What is a "commercially reasonable" time, a day, a year, a decade?

- In those agreements what happens if you take your videos off Black box and put them up on the sites yourself?  What's the copyright situation with these works?



That is something you negotiate with your partners. Blackbox does not own the copyright. They just offer a money sharing tool, the legal stuff is always your responsibility.

You also still need releases, like always.

Don�t like BB, don�t work with them.

So you have to negotiate how long you'll keep the file on black box and all the other terms for each project?  One of their selling points is that you don't need a lawyer to handle that kind of boring business drudgery. 
"Pay somebody else to do it.
Yes, you can pay lawyers and accountants and managers and administrators and marketers to take care of the business drudgery for you, if you have the money� up front, before your creative product has started generating revenue for you. And even if you can afford to pay someone else up front, you can�t escape the business drudgery entirely because you still have to stay on top of all the people you�re paying to make sure things are getting done and getting done the right way.

FACT: The business drudgery takes money and it takes time.

So, you�re not going to do it yourself and you have no money or time to have somebody else do it? There�s one more option and it�s a pretty good one.

Use BlackBox"

Quote from: tickstock on April 09, 2019, 10:04

Quote from: Not Today on April 09, 2019, 09:54

I agree thou with the 15% being excessive and I'd be happy to collaborate somewhere cheaper but haven't found any other place just yet.

If you like shooting & editing alone and have a fast internet, then you probably have no use for them.

Doesn't "collaboration" cost more than 15%?

Of course, but that is entirely up to you and your project partners. How much you want to pay actors, camera people, post processor...that is entirely up to you.

Or, you pay them cash, which is what I have been doing so far with people.

Some people have assistants they pay a monthly wage to, quite a few of my friends have that.

This way I could find people to team up with and we share the results.

It is an option that you can use.

Of course you can do the sharing right now yourself, but if the tool is built in, you don�t have to worry about it.

In those agreements what happens if you take your videos off Black box and put them up on the sites yourself?  What's the copyright situation with these works?

I agree thou with the 15% being excessive and I'd be happy to collaborate somewhere cheaper but haven't found any other place just yet.

If you like shooting & editing alone and have a fast internet, then you probably have no use for them.

Doesn't "collaboration" cost more than 15%?

I don't get why anyone would pay 15% of their sales to get videos uploaded to Shutterstock, Adobe Stock, Pond5, Storyblocks and VimeoStock? 

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Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:50

Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:47

Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45

Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41

Which sites pay a higher percentage?

They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"

The sites that pay more than 40% don't market themselves as caring?

P5 did when they needed to attract more artists. Now they have enough material to become "just business" like everyone else.

Ok so which sites pay more than 40%?

Storyblocks (50%), Envato (45%), Dreamstime (45% for each video with more than 25 downloads), 123RF (up to 60% based on your contributor rank).

Storyblocks promotes its own content and third party sales get less (what % of sales are these and what % do you get?), Envato has about 2% of videos priced at $79 or more and 33% priced at $10 or less, Dreamstime takes about 50 sales of each file to reach 40% on average, 123rf you would need about 90 HD sales a year to reach 40%.  I wouldn't choose any of those sites over P5 besides low sales you almost certainly won't get even the same % but if all your videos on DT have 50 sales, you get 90 HD sales a year at 123RF, and you don't contribute to any of the lower paying sites then by all means you should be upset.

Can't you get all that info from just looking at the best sellers?

The survey is:  I want to sell stock footage please show me the content I should copy.  You can see best sellers on most sites.  What's the point of this?

Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:47

Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45

Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41

Which sites pay a higher percentage?

They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"

The sites that pay more than 40% don't market themselves as caring?

P5 did when they needed to attract more artists. Now they have enough material to become "just business" like everyone else.

Ok so which sites pay more than 40%?

Which sites pay a higher percentage?

So far it confirms that our original choice of 60/40 is a good one.

If you are interested in contributing, please message me a link to your portfolio. Once we are ready to invite you, and you have the kind of images we are interested in, I'll give you a shout!

Just a hint, we are more interested in artistic, dramatic, moody, atmospheric imagery in different genres. Creative, inspiring, conceptual, alternative lifestyle, natural, candid, fantasy, sensual, couples, unique travel imagery, holistically healthy, mindful, enlightening or dark and magical etc. Conventional lifestyle and corporate imagery is of little interest to us. Thought provoking is the keyword. I should mention that images we select cannot be with microstock. Sorry for that but that's our decision.

Thank you for participating in the poll!
Alex

You should probably say who you are, what your terms are, how about anything about the agency?  I'm not sure having a poll up for 3 hours here is the best way to decide how to run an agency and what you pay should be based on a little more than that don't you think?  It's kind of a big important business decision.
I'll also add that being secretive is not a good way to start out.  If you are serious you need to prove that.

Is this you?  http://alexmaxim.ca/