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On the contributor side I see my own account page, on the customer side I'm not seeing anything horrible.  This thing is that your perception of a high standard (or mine) is completely irrelevant - this is just product on a shelf and the commercial basis of adding to the collection is to produce sales that they probably wouldn't get otherwise.  If someone wants a picture for a web site, do you think they give a rats how good it looks at 30 MP full resolution as long as it suits the purpose?

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I just took a look at the front page for contributors. I don't want to disrespect other's work but if SS feel these images represent the best of the site no wonder we have problems with what they are looking for. I used to sign in there and think I hope one day I can come up with images that good.

bravo someone finally noticed that too!!!
problem is Pauws99, is this to show us their best
or is this to tell us there are one measuring stick with bar lifted so high for experienced contributors
and there is another for less experienced
or is it to show us there is one rule for us ,
and another rule for selected privilegios


So, your theory is that SS is rejecting great material from experienced shooters in favour of rubbish from newbies - how does that make any kind of commercial sense?  If you were selling any product, would you fill your shelves with row upon row of almost identical goods or would you try and offer some bit of variety?

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Monthly Shame Award goes to DT
« on: April 23, 2015, 14:07 »
So review time seems to be about 10 days - the etr is pretty meaningless.  FTP upload seems to be ok but I only produce small volumes.

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It was a one time thing for those already in so we'd have no idea of what's "normal"

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Monthly Shame Award goes to DT
« on: April 21, 2015, 16:02 »
Batch of images uploaded on the 11th to top 5 excluding IS
SS and FT approved next day
DT approved today (10 days)
123 still pending
Last time I uploaded to IS it was about 2 weeks


DT not the slowest then

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Why would SS support back that up? Why would they support reviewers to generate extra unnecessary  work and drive up cost?


Obviously they wouldn't because that would be stupid and SS are not stupid.  It's not like there is a shortage of new stuff being submitted so no percentage whatsoever for anyone in reviewing the same thing twice.

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... and yet SS is expected to take anything regardless of whether its useful (to them) as long as its technically sound.

It is entirely reasonable for SS to reject because they perceive the image content to be of little commercial use, lots of agencies do. It is not reasonable to do so but blame it on focussing etc (when this is not the case).

If SS are rejecting for content, then give us that reason. It would save a lot of time for them and us.


Totally agree - bad for the submitter and bad for the site because of the bad feeling this generates when the reason given is empirically wrong.


@Ron,


Some well covered content will always get through (maybe there are quotas??) but it's turned into a bit of a lottery.  I'm just getting away with it at the moment because there is a bit less of this stuff on the site.  It will sell a lot less than some of the rejected images would but the buyer wouldn't have easy alternatives on the odd occasion when they do want something like this.

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"Why oh why do you guys beat yourself up for 0.25 - 0.38 per download? it makes no sense to me at all."

It's not a matter of "beating myself up" or whining about their policy. I've understood how much money I make on a sale in microstock since I began 5 years ago, but thanks for the reminder. Seems like a bizarre thing to point out as a negative on MICROSTOCK forum, considering that's how this whole thing works, the relevant prefix there being MICRO. So back on topic...

There is time, money and effort involved with production of these images. I hold myself to a high standard from equipment, subject/location choice, editing quality and keywording. When a weak link in the chain (reviewer) at the most dominant market for selling my work drops the ball, my choice is to accept that and move on, losing all the aforementioned time and money. Or speaking up in an attempt to get the issue addressed, and getting as many of my images up for sale as I can. The other contributors speaking up are no slackers either, and if SS decides to ignore us, that's their choice. But laying down and letting things fall further apart quietly is not a smart option. You're welcome, considering we're on the same side.

I am not questioning your integrity, expenses, or talent or anyone else's for that matter.
To say it is also a weak link in the chain (reviewer) is rather silly. If it is just one reviewer then yes that is a weak link in the chain, but I am more inclined to think it is "reviewers" in which case it is company policy to accept or reject images as chosen and trained to do.
Now a company that apparently boasts 50 million images and payouts of $80 million is not what I would call inexperienced in the whole process.
They have done this a few times and at the end of the day, they get the final say in whether they want to accept and market your work or not.
Is there anywhere in their contract that says they have to take all of your images just because you put a bit of time and money into it? I somehow doubt it.
I get work rejected all the time but I sure as heck don't have a temper tantrum about it.


Yeah, there is no way the reviewer tail is wagging the SS dog this is policy for sure.
Id be interested to see if someone did a search to find something similar to one of the rejected images would they be spoiled for choice?
Its strange that everyone is ok with the likes of stocksy not being interested in a submission simply on the basis that they are not interested and yet SS is expected to take anything regardless of whether its useful (to them) as long as its technically sound.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: I love Shutterstock!!
« on: April 17, 2015, 15:02 »
I had a shock this morning when I discovered no one is forcing me to upload to Shutterstock.......


Exactly

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PhotoDune / Re: 10% approval rate
« on: April 08, 2015, 14:37 »
You submit 1400 files to these guys (who are they? - can't see them on the list to the right).  Guessing they are below low earners and they presume to dump on you, yet you very few on DT who are relatively decent, with reasonably competent reviewers and just gotta earn far more per image. Doesn't add up  ???
photodune one of the fastest submission process. Same as 123. Dreams time submit every photo one by one. Waaay to much work.

What good is fast approval and easy submission when 90% gets rejected?


Took the words right out of my mouth  :)

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PhotoDune / Re: 10% approval rate
« on: April 07, 2015, 16:20 »
You submit 1400 files to these guys (who are they? - can't see them on the list to the right).  Guessing they are below low earners and they presume to dump on you, yet you very few on DT who are relatively decent, with reasonably competent reviewers and just gotta earn far more per image. Doesn't add up  ???

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General - Top Sites / Re: Would you like the real reason?
« on: April 04, 2015, 17:53 »
Jamie is spot on.


Sites want what they want and don't want what they don't want.  We have no actual entitlement to have images accepted it they are not useful, no matter how perfectly focused etc

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Both are garbage in my opinion as are all microstock sites processes. I am an old trad shooter and am used to editors reviewing my work and taking only 10%-15% as a good average. This garbage of "inspecting" "reviewing" rather than truly "editing" is what has ruined the industry as a whole. I think all of them should do a serious "edit" and make stock photography a thing to be proud of again, but this nonsense of accept everything is pure rubbish. To this day I still submit to Getty and have an honest to god editor review my work and accept only the best work, and rejecting the rest. I am used to that so I don't have a hissy fit temper tantrum if my work has been rejected like what seems to happen with the microstock crowd. When I hear of averages of 80% or whatever acceptance, it makes me sick.
so what is your MS acceptance ratio?  it's a different market - one has to assume that a crowd sourced model will have different standards, one would also assume that the real pros, used to the trad editing, would be in the 99%+ bracket

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For a long time I wondered if FT ever rejected images  ;)   True, they sell may more images but at a fraction of the price.  Income wise they're starting to edge ahead of DT but very little in it.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: I cannot find batch submission on DT
« on: March 24, 2015, 14:05 »
upload by ftp with iptc and pick 1 default category, easier than ft, marginally more hassle than ss but a dream compared to is

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When you upload illustrations to DT you can choose the "Stock Illustration" or "Stock Vector" categories when choosing your three categories. Usually I choose both, plus a third category. Some people may choose only one illustration category, saving the other two options for something else. It's up to the contributor, I think.

Yes, I do the same thong too.

'thong' is for sexy women lol!  ;)


Clearly you haven't seen Borat  :o

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: PP sales at Istock are upgrading?
« on: March 22, 2015, 05:00 »
Long after I thought PP was finished, I had $37.50 appear overnight yesterday for PP sales, although I can't for the life of me work out what images were sold.  Checking iStock's stats I can see 4 PP sales on 4th March with a total of 37.78, but Livestock only shows one 0.28 sale on that day (even after refreshing).  Happy to take the money but would love to know what sold!
Probably from Jan - I had an unexplained bump in earnings which turned out to be from Jan when I ran my sales extract.

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General Photography Discussion / Re: 95% Eclipse 2015 today
« on: March 21, 2015, 13:19 »
Ireland is probably the only country you could look straight at it - where I was, just enough cloud to take away the brightness but still see the whole thing.

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This is Feb right?  Early is relative, SS and even 123 have paid out for Feb ages ago.

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I can live with the FT drop 'cos of the "increases" everywhere else :)

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... But Fotolia takes the cake on this issue! Some of my best sellers on DT are getting rejected on Fotolia for Too Much Noise or not being at least 4 MP - stuff that is completely untrue. Has anyone experienced this with Fotolia? And to combat this has anyone re-uploaded a previously rejected image and got it accepted at Fotolia?
This is a lesson that you have to learn. A bestseller in an agency is not automatically a bestseller in another agency. Fotolia puts great emphasis on technical quality. Have a look at your pictures and upload only pictures to Fotolia, of which you are convinced. Actually I don't like Fotolia, but I have good sales there, fortunately, the sales increase again for me. So you have to learn, which requirements each agency have. Then you will earn money too!


Nah, they just have their likes and dislikes - I've had stuff accepted there that I wouldn't even submit to DT or SS.

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Unless something is absolutely unique a reject won't cost the site a cent - there are usually tons of alternatives to any image.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS Single & Other Downloads?
« on: March 14, 2015, 18:57 »
SS has agreements with large customersad agencies, for examplewhere they pay hundreds of dollars for images. I'm not exactly sure what comes wrapped up with it...additional legal assurances? Extended use? But they pay much more than the average buyer. It does not mean your image will necessarily be used for sensitive purposes...more likely it will be used in an ad campaign or something like that.


Probably some of that where, in comparison, IS, illegally, and in contravention of their licence agreement, trousers the entire amount.

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Sometimes they take a while to show up - has the count of online files increased?

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