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I see Yakov Filimonov hasn't disabled his portfolio.
He's deleting all his images!
410,000 pictures a few days ago, 120,000 now!!!
https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jackf

I think it just takes time until they are gradually removed from search indexing?

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That's crazy...    SS used to have quality control, many years ago...


https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/thick-glass-plastic-barrier-room-bricks-1333258736

Not really as far as I'm concerned and I've been doing this for almost 10 years. I always had issues with them. Maybe a fellow countryman or similar content provider who sees me as their competition, who knows!
All I know is that I had to contact an (ex) admin/reviewer more then a few times to correct these unjustified rejections and they all went online soon after. Mistakes can be made but this is obviously something else.
This not only happens at SS btw but also at AS, especially when it was still Fotolia. I don't know why some people try to find good reason for their unjustified rejections while it could just be a reviewer messing around or trying to eliminate their (or friends) competition.

There was a time about 8 years ago... I used to submit batches 50 images with diverse theme and varied quality. Some of the images i considered perfect, some of them ok, and some "lets try it anyways, it may get accepted"
Yet most of the reviews were either accepting all of them, or rejecting all of them.
But back in 2007 it felt like i can actually learn from the rejection reasons.

But in some ways it can be expected...  we all experience that sales are much more diluted now. One image today earns much less than 10-15 years ago. That also means that SS can spend less on reviews on a per image basis. Probably reviews are not trained as much as they used to be, and they have much less time to judge an image

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That's crazy...    SS used to have quality control, many years ago...


https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/thick-glass-plastic-barrier-room-bricks-1333258736


(not that my port is stellar...  i have my share of crappy shots and some of them even sell. But submitting snapshots constantly... it's crazy that SS doesn't shut this down)

Sometimes i think that they let in all kinds of shots and hundreds of millions of images, because they can sell access to their library to companies who want to train machine vision neural networks. It's just the perfect thing for that. Hundreds of millions of pictures of everything in the world, with keywords and descriptions. Can you imagine anything better to train an AI?

For images that had sales SS also has data about which keywords are the most relevant for the specific image

29
Thieves haven't stopped uploading there...nice title buddy lol

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/pete-wright-zeyma01zsvc-unsplash-jpg-1617540907

Or someone could look for all te images from free sites that are also on SS and spread the word on main design sites on how they're charging for something that is free.

I know we are all angry with Shutterstock, rightfully so... but i don't think promoting free sites would be a good strategy for us.

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If we are presistant enough Shutterstock won't be able to have a social media presence anymore.

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His twitter feed has only 281 followers? What kind of a CEO is this?

And you are right, his likes are a lot of Trumpian glory likes.

Every day I learn something new that is worse than before.

@spavlovsky

https://twitter.com/spavlovsky?s=20

Why dont even the employees follow their own boss? Business partners? Some of the 1.2 Million producers?

How is this profile designed to represent the company, get ready to connect with all the other CEOs and impress potential customers?

They follow him on Facebook :D
https://www.facebook.com/spavlovsky

Hah what a joke the CEO of a tech company and he hasn't even bothered to update his FB page ~ silly goose still works for Allrecipes  ;D

If everyone sends him some friend requests prolingeg over time.. he will have a hard time to sort out the real ones :D   
But of course, he can just block it. Or not care about facebook at all

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock just became iStock 2.0
« on: June 07, 2020, 10:59 »
A couple Facebook groups to join to link up with folks dedicated to pushing back on the Shutterstock commission cut. We're stronger unified.

Stock Submitter Coalition: https://www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285/
Shutterstock Contributors Worldwide: ...

Stay with the first one! In Shutterstock Contributors Worldwide they've banned posts that are openly critical about SS or promote protest.

Is that a SS managed group?

Not sure..  sometimes it almost seems to be. But maybe just the owner is aiming to get SS refferals, so doesn't want to defame SS

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock just became iStock 2.0
« on: June 07, 2020, 10:33 »
A couple Facebook groups to join to link up with folks dedicated to pushing back on the Shutterstock commission cut. We're stronger unified.

Stock Submitter Coalition: https://www.facebook.com/groups/261369748434285/
Shutterstock Contributors Worldwide: ...

Stay with the first one! In Shutterstock Contributors Worldwide they've banned posts that are openly critical about SS or promote protest.

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Pond5 / Re: Pricing photos on P5
« on: June 07, 2020, 09:37 »
I suggest $15 for photos. My strategy is that if something sells i keep increasing the price of that file little by little

36
i'm in with 16k picutres

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Could be some legal thing when they delete images of certain topic.
I remember one day when i lost 25 images from my port, and there was no information, could not figure out which ones

Another time i've got an email with 5-6 image IDs saying that those are deleted for some legal reasons.

Back many years ago there was that time when they deleted lots os car photos. Some time later lots of graffiti photos.

Could be somethinhg like that.

Or culling of some image thief of spam accounts

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I've read so many times that contributors thought nothing was happening until January 1 and then were horrified when they saw what was going on with June royalties.

The sharp slap in the face of 10 or 12 royalties for people who were feeling good 'cause they were level 4, 5 or 6 and thought they could ride out the year before deciding anything had a pretty dramatic effect.

That's very understandable i think. Just by reading the mail i also though it was going to be a raise for now. As it said i will get 35%, and it was known that Shutterstock used to pay out around 30% buyers' payments to contributors. (including subscriptions).
The email did not state that we won't be compensated for unused subscription quotas. 
So i thought i would get an around 16% pay rise till the end of the year, and a the first part of next year will be a bit worse

From the Shutterstock forums on May 26th, the day the email came out, by getting some questions answered, the picture was clear (Kate, the moderator, updated the original posts to spell out the details) that day for anyone who wanted to see. I've used screen grabs as some of my other posts were deleted and one never knows what may get "disappeared" over time

Not long after the email i've read the details on this forum. I just want to say that from the official email it was not obvious that sub sales will go that low

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I've read so many times that contributors thought nothing was happening until January 1 and then were horrified when they saw what was going on with June royalties.

The sharp slap in the face of 10 or 12 royalties for people who were feeling good 'cause they were level 4, 5 or 6 and thought they could ride out the year before deciding anything had a pretty dramatic effect.

That's very understandable i think. Just by reading the mail i also though it was going to be a raise for now. As it said i will get 35%, and it was known that Shutterstock used to pay out around 30% buyers' payments to contributors. (including subscriptions).
The email did not state that we won't be compensated for unused subscription quotas. 
So i thought i would get an around 16% pay rise till the end of the year, and a the first part of next year will be a bit worse

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Thanks, that probably settles it

Btw..

When I click download I get create your free account note and red username and psw fields event though Im allready logged in as contributor in same browser.

But that window wants you to register as buyer. Buyer and contributor accounts are not connected in any ways

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For some reason every time i read something about Stan Pavlovsky the corporate guy from this Nekrogoblikon video comes to my mind :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsMKOx6fumc

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But in my opinion the idea of sending my photos with which I started making microstock, the majority of which are invalid, together with some duplicate photos if it were practiced by many would put SS in difficulty.
At worst they are selling photos for which 10 cents could be a good price

No point in submitting duplicates, they seem to have an efficient system to filter out similar submissions. Even if you make little changes to the picture it will be automatically rejected as too similar

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I'am not gona disable my port, but i stop uploading for a while
First i want to wait and see how this turns out

In the first week i had a rpd for subs of 31 cent (before 25 cent)
So i think whit the new structure i can earn more

Then you just got lucky with the first few sub sales.
It looks like not even level 6 contributors will make 0.31 avarage on sub sales

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I won't go exclusive.
If it's on a per image basis i would make a few best sellers on Adobe that does not sell on other sites exclusive

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I don't exactly follow follow your format, becase i don't want to compare to lifetime RPD. In 2006 it was all 0.25 downloads, and RPD has been a lot higher later, i'm looking at that as a baseline.

Previous 2020 image RPD:
0.69

June 2020 image RPD:
0.38

-45%

But it's not relevant data yet.  Most of this decrease is not coming from the new system, but from the fact that this month so far i did not have any ELs or high value SOD sales
The RPD for sub sales is  gone from 0.38 to 0.22-0.25
On demand are varying but there's a chance of positive change there
Level 5

I think the uproar against SS is well justified, no excuse for cutting commissions like this with and already profitable company. Also the January reset is just beyond greed
When there is a mass deactivation organized  (there were some talks about 15th of June..) i'll pull my photos

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Database total :did you notice ?
« on: June 05, 2020, 10:04 »
Keep in my, when you do these searches it matters if you have Safe Search turned on or off.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock just became iStock 2.0
« on: June 05, 2020, 05:00 »
...
So, if someone from Adobe is reading this: Think really hard whether you want to piss of your contributors, who are also your customers before you ever consider following in SS's footsteps.

Since Davinci Resolve 16 came out i see quite a big movement on the Internet,  that people should change to using that because now it's better than Premiere Pro in almost every area. And cheaper, or even free if you accept some limitations.
Pissing off creatives could add fuel to that trend.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock just became iStock 2.0
« on: June 05, 2020, 04:56 »
coronavirus it's completely unrelated to ss new earni g structure...they simply wants to regain market share  ...if you look at video side it"s pretty clear...they went subscription to fight back istock and other subscription plan based agency like envato and storyblocks...i can't blame ss for this because the culprits are the artsts that support those sites selling for peanuts...
i hate the 1 january reset and it's pretty unfair but ss won't step back till we support them...
u think they want to cut out small fish too indeed big contributors won't be affected that much...talking about video...

The Storyblocks footage collection is nothing like Shutterstock's...


What will happen to Blackbox now? Wasn't it their policy that they don't submit to subscription video sites?

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Wasn't subscriptions supposed to change? I am still getting a lot of $0.38 or maybe they kept the annual prepaid plans the same and they changed only the dl's from new customers?

Did they clarify this anywhere? I still have a large part of "normal" sub downloads.

The only way to test what really SS did is by monitoring it as Lifetime downloads vs lifetime downloads before new system came into effect.

So for example my lifetime average in SS was 0,65 / dl, if it drops it means that the new system isn't all that good for contributors.


Couldn't agree more. It's a waiting game. I think I will give it 30-60 days before making any decision. It does little good right now to shake your fist and shout at a corporation that has already determined they don't need the people that will pull their ports.


Let's be aware that even if afte 1-2 month the data would look tolerable (not likely..) it's still dangerous that the subscription downloads are also percent based, SS will able to discount subscription as much as they want...

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Dreamstime increasing royalties
« on: June 04, 2020, 16:18 »
I also did not get any 10% increase on my sales. Looking at the forum it seems to be random. Some people get them, some don't, some get them on some sales, but not on others. A mod there told people to write them with the image ID if they did not get the extra 10%, so maybe some of you want to do that. It's does not seem worth the hassle for 3cent.

I'll wait a little, maybe it's a delay in their reporting system. At Dreamstime it happens a lot the time my balance increases and the time a sale show in the list is very different (but actually this delay is never 4 days long, usually about 1 day)

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