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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 07, 2014, 09:40 »
...The thing which could hurt our earnings significantly in the long run is when DPC manages to succeed.
We really have to try everything we can to make it fail.

Staying opted in is a short-term gain that could ultimately mean long-term loss. It's just not worth it. Opting in really can't be earning anyone that much money right now. DPC is still too new. So why do it?

I have to slightly disagree with your comment about making it fail, though. It doesn't need to fail, it just needs to change. DPC can exist in the market without doing any damage if it's restructured as a real subscription offering. Right now it's basically credit sales with a minor minimum buy-in and subscription royalties. As a real subscription system, with a respectable buy-in, it would be fine.

But Fotolia itself offers subscription, why make another site for that? Also I wouldn't really want Fotolia to gain bigger share of subscription market, as they pay me .29 per sub download (although .31 soon) opposed to Shutterstock's .38 and Dreamstime's and Veer's 0.35.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 07, 2014, 09:24 »
...we shouldn't judge anyone for their business moves - there are a lot more arguments for people running a large business than the the facts, opinions and predictions posted in here. (Although I personally wished they would pull their contents as well, of course.)

Actually on this one, I'm judging. I know that sounds bad, but I think it's fair in this case. For two reasons: 1.) Opting in or out of DPC is easy, it's just a click on a link. Someone can opt out now in protest and opt back in later. 2.) Opting out now doesn't hurt anyone's income, not significantly anyway. You can opt out now and stay opted out in protest for a week, a month, whatever, and ultimately it costs you, what, a few bucks in DPC sales you might have had? It's fair to ask everyone to make that small sacrifice.

Usually I'd agree that decisions in this business are personal, and are based on things the public doesn't always see or know about. But in this case, there is really no good reason for anyone to stay opted-in right now. You can so easily opt out and opt in again later, it really just makes no sense to stay opted in.

Honestly, in my opinion, being opted in right now is a vote of confidence in the current DPC deal. No one should be surprised if Fotolia changes absolutely nothing about DPC going forward when they have what they could very easily call significant contributor confidence in what they are currently offering based on the number of people still opted in.

Agree.
I opted out of DPC as soon as it was possible, but i didn't want to sacrifice my Fotolia earnings (yet I deleted a few hundred to support the protest on the 1st of May). After opting out, my Fotolia sales are still coming just as usual.

The thing which could hurt our earnings significantly in the long run is when DPC manages to succeed.
We really have to try everything we can to make it fail.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 07, 2014, 03:54 »
To add a few more numbers:

The smallest credit package on FT is 10 Credits, in Europe that costs 14 (can't see $ prices here).
That will buy you 1 (ONE!) XXL file (of white or bronze level contributor).

14 is roughly $19,30.

On DPC that buys you 19 XXL files (even those where the contributor has raised prices and that cost 36 credits on FT).

All they need to do is one mass e-mail to all their buyers and the credit business on FT will be dead almost instantly.
There is no case where buying with credits on FT will make (financial) sense to a buyer anymore.
Assuming the content is on DPC.

And that's not even considering the repercussions on the other agencies.

Exactly. And the strange thing is, that Fotolia recently raised prices. XXL is 12 credits now. Which is good. And they seem to be going well, quite big percentage of my Fotolia sales are those 8-10-12 credit ones, I like getting them. It's shame that they've tricked our images into this DPC scheme.

(by the way, you mention white and bronze contributors.. it's the same for silver and gold, one have to get to emerald for raising prices)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 06, 2014, 16:13 »
One more of the little things we can do...
It is almost certain that the funds for the advertising of DPC come from Fotolia. Probably it's almost nothing, still we can all ask or payout now. Normally i did it bout twice a year or so, but from now on i will request payout every time i reach 50 credits.
The same as I don't want my images to fight their silly war, neither do i want my money to be used for that.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 06, 2014, 15:37 »
I have watched quite a few video interviews of Tscheltzoff and he actually uses the wording at War with the other agencies.

A war where his weapons are our images.
It is clear that no contributor should support it. Basicly our images fighting a war against their own value so some company owner can have some hope to end up with bigger market share.
We don't want Fotolia to fight against other agencies, they are only expected to find buyers for our photos. 

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 06, 2014, 13:17 »
Some days ago, whent the opt-out option was still new I did a search for "background" on DPC and it yielded way over 8million results.
I've been checking it a few times since then and it is always a pleasure to see it decreasing.
At the moment it shows 6,674,855 results

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 06, 2014, 10:33 »
To turn in topic

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Well, DPC is surely a big damage for us contributors, most of us agree with this.
But on the long run (maybe not so long) it is probably a damage for the customers too.

In my everyday work I am used to produce better images when they pay me more, and so it is for microstocks.

I think that I am not the only one to think/behave in this way, so the customers should be informed about it, and advised to stay as far as possible from this kind of sites, unless they want the worst material they can find online

To that first we have to archive that most good content be removed from DPC. Even if DPC would have let's say half the images of Fotolia, most customers would still find pretty much everything they want.
It seems to pretty hard to find a way to inform most contributors, as Fotolia remains silent about DPC and the Opt-out button, but that is what we must do

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia rank reset and DPC
« on: May 05, 2014, 18:57 »

I kind of hate to admit it but I think this strategy would actually be pretty useful given the current state of things. DPC threatens not just contributors but also agencies as well. Imagine if a few big agencies said that because of Fotolia's highly destructive DollarPhotoClub, they can no longer work with any artist who also works with Fotolia.

As unpleasant as it might seem, if a few big agencies put up policies like this, DPC would be dead in the water. In fact it might be the only way to stop DPC.

Well, only Shutterstock is big enough to do that. (for me all over the years Fotolia was clearly the second largest agency in earnings..)
It would be nice to stop DPC that way but it would be also a frightening display of how much power a single agency (in this case Shutterstock) has.

Could they for example just mass e-mail all their contributors about the dangers of DPC? Would there be legal issues about it?

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 05, 2014, 17:06 »
There has been a big cleaning up of comments on the DPC Facebook page again. Those of you who are not blocked yet could write something just to let the occasional visitor know what way they've managed to involve so many images in this new scheme ;)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 04, 2014, 15:55 »
I notice that the comment count on lots of posts is a lot higher than the visible comments - I assume because they've been deleted by staff?

Yes, a lot of deleting have been going on. That's where comment counts show bigger number.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 04, 2014, 15:40 »
Go on.
I'm already blocked as well :)

I wasn't rude I was just pointing out the fact that most image copyright holders don't know about their work being offered under completely new conditions.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 04, 2014, 11:21 »
Sunday afternoon, uploading new files to all agencies except for Fotolia, where I'm deleting a few.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 03, 2014, 06:51 »
The people to contact and inform about what Oleg Tsheltzoff and his DPC site are doing, are the Advertising and Design Agency's, who use the content.

Deleting and Opting out is not enough the people who buy the content should be informed, they are creatives like us, they wont be happy about exploiting other creatives.

The quickest way to inform them, is through the Advertising and Design Press.

This would stop Oleg Tsheltzoff and his DPC site selling the content.

There's the risk that this would just bring more buyers to DPC, as it is a pretty good deal for them.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 03, 2014, 05:49 »
The question came up how can we inform some big contributors with images still on DPC and possibly not knowing about it.

I've found the following sites where in the you can locate their images you can send them private message:

Istock
Mostphotos
Photodune

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1
« on: May 03, 2014, 05:19 »
Hi

I've been reading Microstockgroup silently for years.
Didn't know about DPC from any other source than reading this forum.

I opted out my 6000 images (and told many photographer friends to do so) and deleted a couple of hundreds as a protest.

 Thank you for everyone putting an effort in organizing and participating in this.

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