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I can't see anymore the "mission" option in my dashboard, so it seems that I was approved for only few days for previous missions, but now I'm out...
What??  ::)


Oh, that's strange. Since I did not take part in any of the last missions I thought there was no specific reason why I should get new missions, but others wouldn't, so I thought everyone had them.
Don't you have a new "missions" tab in your dashboard? It's in the black top line.

Yes I had the "mission" tab last week, but now it's disappeared... I was also curious to know the new missions, but actually I cannot see the tab anymore

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I can't see anymore the "mission" option in my dashboard, so it seems that I was approved for only few days for previous missions, but now I'm out...
What??  ::)

I am surprised no one has talked about the new mission yet?
Maybe because, like me, many people can't see the mission?
By the way, I agree with you, it's really poor amount for so demanding work, I would not partecipate. It seems good only for someone that has already planned a green screen shooting, and can add this to his workflow

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They scraped the internet.
There must be a collective lawsuit against Midjourney in the future.

After one year of existence and development of Midjourney a lot of discussions about these point, but I think it's not so simple and not so fast, it will take time and a lot of different opinions, as the subject is quite new.

Collective lawsuit, if there should be the conditions, would already started. At the contrary, only few single artists lawsuit has been submitted (for what I know)

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I still don't fully grasp the fact that Adobe accepts AI content that wasn't created by Adobe Firefly, or at least has accepted it at some point. They argue that AI-generated content generated by Firefly is ethical in the sense that contributors are compensated, and there are no issues with intellectual property. Setting aside whether you agree with that statement or not, the statement exists.

So, implicitly (in my opinion), Adobe believes that all AI content not created with Firefly carries a risk of intellectual property problems. This risk could be for the contributor, but essentially also for the buyer.

If Adobe truly stands by their statement, shouldn't they remove all content previously created by Midjourney and other generators and only accept AI content made by Firefly?  I'm not sure if Adobe can distinguish what's made by Firefly or not, but given the current three-month review time and Firefly only recently exiting beta status, it's likely that most of the existing content wasn't created by Firefly

Following this, should Adobe remove any content if not post produced with Adobe creative suite?

Adobe ask contributors to be sure to have ownership and commercial rights on AI (and also non AI) content.
If you have it, you can sell. What's the problem?

Midjourney (for example) gives commercial rights, so you can send it to Adobe, and that's fine.

There are no reasons for which Adobe should restrict their contributors, as long as contributors have the rights.
In general terms, there are no reasons for Adobe to restrict their market.
Also, more important, there no way to transform Adobe in a company that have to judge what is ethical and what's not.
Your wish is a commercial nonsense, sorry

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it seems to me that in comparison to all the other agencies they are behaving much better with us.

I would agree.
It's quite impossible to stop Ai development in the near future, and Adobe give the option to be payed for machine learning.
As I said in other post, mission should be payed more, especially ones that involve people. But I have to admit that working for these missons could give good earnings if you produce enough.
Other gives penny for whole portfolio we have built in years. In this case you can monetize lot of similar, that is much easier to do.
Unfortunately timing is too short this sessions, let's see next ones.

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Pond5 / Re: Pond5 Sales slump.
« on: September 29, 2023, 15:21 »
I'm sorry listening your comments and I'm probably really lucky; of course this month will be a really special and unique one, but I have to say that I'm going to reach BME on pond5, over 1k earnings.
Just to say that not all is lost, good luck to everyone

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Thanks for the feedback everyone. We are interested in learning more about what you like/don't like about the Missions so please keep your comments coming.

Hi Mat, so here is mine: after your comment I did a new test.

First point / question:
For what I can see, the mission of shooting a simple group of objects (bananas) is really easy to produce, you can plan sets and take shoots with decent light.
Mission that involve people (eating, handling) is much much more hard to produce. I say "hard" that means that the final result is less good photos in longer time, so it seems really more difficult.

I can produce 50 photos of bananas (one set) in few minutes
But I have to miss my dinner  ;D to take same amount of decent images when there is one person involved.

So I think that the earning should be much higher for mission that involve partecipating people.

The second point is that is really not clear the level of image that Adobe is looking for.
is selective focus ok?
is a detail with only partly visible object ok?
Is it okay to send high ISO images with available light?
white balance is not important?
are some blurred motion ok taking slow shutter speed images?

The examples in the mission briefs look too "stock images standard" with good light and pose, so it seems impossible to have high number of images without proper light and set.

In other words, I think that, while the subject you need it's clear, it's not really clear the technical value of images you need, and the brief should be more detailed on what is ok and what is not

Thanks for your answer :)

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why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall? :D


No.

yes,also hang them in the sun to dry them,whole or cut into rounds,or hung in the cool outdoors to preserve them.

I wonder if bananas wrapped in clear plastic are okay,but i think yes.

from my point of view,every real environment can be a banana in "real life situation"
you can also find a rotten banana on the road or in a field,that is also "real life situation"

I think you r doing too much work! In the end, the only thing that Ai needs is to understand what is a banana  ;D

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I'm agree on not all but most part of what you say, by the way after Mat comments I think that yes, they need also garbage shots, the only important thing is to clearly see the requested subject, nothing else. No lighting setup, no denoising, nothing.

c) People "may" or "may not" be compensated for their work? So it could be a complete waste of time?

Well, but this is true for any image you send to microstock agencies

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Regarding the comments such as what @Derby said "it's absolutely not possible to collect 500/1000 snapshots in a few days". Respectfully, I disagree. It's important you don't confuse these photos with traditional stock photos. A big difference is that we encourage similar images. You can shoot up to 50 frames of the same setup by changing the general composition, focal point, etc. You can shoot these in JPG and upload them as-is straight out of camera. Obviously, you want them to look good, but you do not need to spend time doing RAW conversions or postprocessing. In addition, no keywords are required.

Thanks Mat for your comment, I still think that the work is too much for low payment. By the way, your words let me think that I'll probably give it a try again, reducing time for shoot.

I have a question about previously taken images: is it ok to send also images already for sale in Adobe stock portfolio? Or images have to be completely new?
In missions brief I can read that AI generated images are not accepted, but what about images already for sale?
Thanks

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I received invitation too. Start to test some random shots this evening with my family... and it's absolutely not possible to collect 500/1000 snapshot in few days, too much time, too much work for so low (and not sure) payment.
Even without post production and keywording the time to shoot/import/collect in set/describe and ordered upload... not worth it.
Even if I should had a lot of images already done for their missions the time I have to spent to search images in my HD, re-export, collect and organizie and upload, is too much. No thanks

Sorry Adobe, I think you're the best agency, but this time you're asking too much and paying the job really too low
Thanks anyway

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Shutterstock.com / Re: What a cool SS, how well he sells
« on: September 27, 2023, 09:08 »
Shutterstock is not going as well as the previous three months but even with a slower month I had this sale drop in early last week...

I had couple days ago a quite near amount of $102 for a clip. Shutterstock is terrible for the basic royalties, but I have to admit that I've never earned similar amount for single clip in any other agency

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Shutterstock.com / Re: What a cool SS, how well he sells
« on: September 27, 2023, 09:06 »
Was on my way to bed but had to get back up to share this one that just popped in this evening. An editorial video cart sale....

Excellent, congrats!

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Adobe Stock / Re: Account blocked - another story
« on: September 23, 2023, 05:33 »
I think Adobe should immediately cease all AI intake

They have just launched Firefly for commercial use, so there is absolutely no way to do this.
What they have to do is to work on rules and reviewers, instead to involve contributors in consequence of their choice

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Adobe Stock / Re: Account blocked - another story
« on: September 22, 2023, 14:46 »
And as far as taking IP rights seriously, their own moderation decisions speak more loudly than the words in their email.

This Apple logo is still there nearly two weeks after I posted it here. This week I've seen more Apple logos, Spiderman costumes, mentions of Barbie in image titles. Lots of new content breaking the rules. Lots of old logos still left online...
Yes, this is really a nonsense....

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Yes it's basic working but it seems that, at the same time that Ai learn more, it can also forget something, or it can be confused with different inputs, and it has to learn again
 Or maybe understand better. With need to re see images.
I don't know, these are only my personal assumption.

By the way, it's very clear that how Ai works it's NOT very clear  :D

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As far as I understand once AI is "trained" on the images it can't be untrained. So if we remove our images there's no difference, it's already done.

I thought the same, but now I'm realizing that this is not really completely clear.
Maybe it depends on how the AI engine is working, and how many times it needs to refresh its knowledge on existing images.

Otherwise, I can't see any reason for which Shutterstock is giving recurring payment (every six months they said) for data training.

In other words, I think this is still to be clarified, and maybe there is not a single answer

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Adobe Stock / Re: Big drop in sales
« on: September 15, 2023, 12:13 »
Sales are quite normal for me.
For what I can see, having some AI images, the sales for AI are much more fluctuating than photos, and it seems to me that life of AI images is shorter than photos, probably because most successful photos are quickly duplicated.

Or maybe it's just in my case, the timing is too short to see real trends for AI

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Adobe Stock / Re: Account validation status issue
« on: September 08, 2023, 15:17 »
If you don't want to do ai, just don't do it.
Nobody is forcing you to work with a new media category.

Don't worry Jasmine, it's useless to tell something a million times to someone who doesn't want to see.
I would ask if any of all that are fighting against AI are photographers that don't use digital photography.
Because just few years ago the digital revolution changed completely the world of photography, but everyone seems to forget that times.
That was a lesson from the past, and it should be learned, instead of complaining AI without any hope to stop it

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Adobe Stock / Re: Account validation status issue
« on: September 07, 2023, 14:48 »
Yes we really need news about this... I'm starting to be afraid about wich words can be used
and also, even after checking of my portfolio, I'm not sure if I did some mistake in keywording or titles.

It's really crazy right now, it seems that anyone, even the established and most reliable contribuitor, could be hit with these :-(

@Mat please we need reliable information about the "account block" wave

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Adobe Stock / Re: Account validation status issue
« on: September 07, 2023, 09:14 »

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Shutterstock.com / Re: No Payment
« on: September 06, 2023, 04:07 »
Hi, I wanted to start a topic, but I don't know how :C  I have similar problem, but I have never been paid yet. I know that minimum payout was recently changed from 35 to 25$, but since when exactly? I've earned more than 25 many months ago (few years even), but less than 35 and I wonder if I receive payment after 35 or something else is wrong? My tax form is approved and actual, payment method is paypal 25$. Any help please?
(sorry for grammar mistakes, English is not my first language)

Shutterstock Terms of Service changed as of this month - threshold reduced to $25 but payments will be processed on the 15th.  So you should be paid then.

There was an email... see terms of service section 8.

15th of the month was always been the final day, but they usually pay around 6 or 7 of the month, this is not changed

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Shutterstock.com / Re: No Payment
« on: September 05, 2023, 23:53 »
I'm affected too, it seems many if not any contributors are involved

Last time this happened didn't get paid til following month.

Really? Never heard the story. So no payment until next month? It's scary...

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...sorry mistake...

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Haven't they already used everyones data without permission or payment ?

It seems to me that Adobe should reserve compensation (if they ever keep their promise) only for contributors not submitting AI-generated images.
For AI prompters and AI enthusiasts, compensation is already taking place, as they benefit and take advantage of the generation of their images by an AI, that exploits images from other authors.

It seems to me that someone still doesn't want to see reality.
It's like fighitng against windmills.

And now that should become a battle of contributors against each other?

No thanks

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