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i agree with this...if  big  agencies like adobe shutterstock and pond5 wouldn't accept clips that are on storyblocks or envato subs plans they'd do a big favour to the industry and likely artists there would leave them...

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General - Stock Video / Re: Storyblocks - Member library
« on: September 09, 2019, 06:36 »
if you look at storyblocks library(subscription plan) it lack of a lot of content and quality...

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VideoBlocks / Re: So this is what Storyblocks are going to do next
« on: September 06, 2019, 02:14 »
Because every sane artist will understand that losing sales elsewhere to only get few more bucks on storyblocks doesn't make sense..

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Adobe Stock / Re: Keywords Changed
« on: September 05, 2019, 18:49 »
thanxx mat!!!

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VideoBlocks / Re: So this is what Storyblocks are going to do next
« on: September 05, 2019, 17:40 »
i requested to delete my port...they put it in queue to be delated...doesn't it take more that a click to delete a port?? i suspect this agency wants to trick us once again...
i'll delete it manually one by one...

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Adobe Stock / Re: Keywords Changed
« on: September 05, 2019, 15:29 »




Can you confirm where you are viewing the keywords to determine they are different from what you applied? If you are viewing from the public facing portfolio page, the keywords displayed are not necessarily the keywords applied to the image. Those are recommended keywords of similar subjects created by Adobe Sensei to assist customers in their search. If you are viewing from the Dashboard section of the portal and scrolling down to see your keywords and they are different, then it is likely you uploaded with no embedded keywords and selected multiple images at once. Sensei generates up to 25 keywords for you automatically though they can't be seen when multi-select in use. There is a warning message that appears however to give you a heads up.

-Mat
mat,do we really need this ai sensei that generates a lot of spam keywords and could potentially mess up the search results???
i don't want to be rude but if an artist can't properly keywording maybe it's time to change job...

I find it's a useful tool similar to the keyword generator here in MSG. I recommend artists use it for suggestions but spend time re-sorting to put what you perceive to be the most relevant and important keywords first then remove what may not be relevant and add what may be missing. It's all about time management. The less time spent on the computer indexing the more time you can spend behind the camera creating.

-Mat
yes,it'all about time management...use a csv files and you save a lot of time...
matt,when will adobe let us choose thumbnails for footage??i think it's pretty important...

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Adobe Stock / Re: Keywords Changed
« on: September 05, 2019, 12:53 »




Can you confirm where you are viewing the keywords to determine they are different from what you applied? If you are viewing from the public facing portfolio page, the keywords displayed are not necessarily the keywords applied to the image. Those are recommended keywords of similar subjects created by Adobe Sensei to assist customers in their search. If you are viewing from the Dashboard section of the portal and scrolling down to see your keywords and they are different, then it is likely you uploaded with no embedded keywords and selected multiple images at once. Sensei generates up to 25 keywords for you automatically though they can't be seen when multi-select in use. There is a warning message that appears however to give you a heads up.

-Mat
mat,do we really need this ai sensei that generates a lot of spam keywords and could potentially mess up the search results???
i don't want to be rude but if an artist can't properly keywording maybe it's time to change job...

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VideoBlocks / Re: So this is what Storyblocks are going to do next
« on: September 02, 2019, 15:03 »
is there way to delete all port or do we have to go through every clip?

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Pond5 / Re: Overly high priced "user generated content"? Why?
« on: September 02, 2019, 15:01 »
this collection is all about newsflare...pond5 probably made a deal like they made with reuters for editorial clips...

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Pond5 / Re: What's new on the Agreement?
« on: August 27, 2019, 15:43 »


But then - that means there is an opportunity for a "new guy" to pop up with brand new super attractive rates, etc that will be good for at least a few years to get market share from these other guys.



we don't need a new guy or player whatever you want to call it...we need agencies that pay us a decent amount of money...and it's not going to happen with subscription plan and neither with new players that to attract buyers usually lower the price and our revenue...we've seen this movie before...

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Pond5 / Re: What's new on the Agreement?
« on: August 26, 2019, 14:12 »


There is so much content missing in the stock video industry, I really dont understand why so many places are trying to close down?



because this is the only way this little agencies can run to attract buyers...subs plan...it's up to us(artists) to support them or not...if we don't suuport them be sure big agencies won't run the race to the bottom but if artists keep support them you'll see big agencies do the same...
the last actions taken by pond5 explain it very well...

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Ss is still my best seller...

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great video!!!
what i had predicted is coming true...subscription plans are affecting sales on other agencies too...so for the one who thought that submitting to subscription plans like storyblock won't affect their sales elsewhere hard times are coming...

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Video royalty's are worse then images
« on: August 21, 2019, 14:52 »
to istink?

you made me laugh... :D :D

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Video royalty's are worse then images
« on: August 21, 2019, 12:00 »
the only question is...why do you submit to istock???i left them 6 years ago without regret....

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Contributing to Artgrid?
« on: August 21, 2019, 08:15 »
i looked their site and their price structure...all i can say is...AVOID IT!!!! it's based on subscription plan that means that a buyer can download all the library for a monthly fee of 50$...go figure what  a contributor can earn...peanuts.....probably they are trying this aggressive price structure to attract new buyers but i can't see how any sane author can submit to them...

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80$ cap it's for hd..it means that if your hd downscaled from 4k is priced lower than 80$ (no matter if the 4k version is priced at 10000$)both hd and 4k show up in the search...

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General - Stock Video / Re: Best places to upload stock video
« on: August 14, 2019, 12:53 »
avoid blackbox since you have to pay a commission to them to upload your file to all the agencies...you can save money and do it by yourself...

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Pond5 / Re: Pond 5 Sales Dropped Off
« on: August 05, 2019, 04:34 »
If I may comment on pricing.
Yes an enterprise might pay 10000 or 20000 for a shooting and stock saves the day for peanuts.
ok.

but....

There is another thread in the forum, if stock got people other clients.
Here is a simple estimation of a video shooting with editing,
more than just slight cropping, grading etc.
Guess we have all done this at least once.

Weddings. Let's name a price. 1000 Euros
too little? let's ask 2000 Euros
Let's count the MINIMUM discarded clips of a single main shooter.
No second operator, no third camera, no drone shots.

grooms preparation friends & house 10-20 clips
bride's preparation friends and house 20-30 clips
kids, parents, relatives, decoration 10-20 clips
place of wedding or church, decoration and guests 20-30 clips
ceremony itself 20-30 clips
after wedding party 10-20 clips
EDIT: No nextday or studio shots

People involved in weddings know very well that this clip count  is actually faulty and really poor.
Anyway we got 90 to 150 clips.
For a 2000Euros price, this translates to 22.23 down to 13.34 Euros per clip.
Including post processing, licensing music and distribition on physical or digital media.
For a unique event shot for one client once in a lifetime and with the risk to lose critical frames.

Still a newbie but, yup! I love stock. It actually pay less in total but still better that weddings...

So what's the point?? because shooting wedding is badly paid it doesn't mean with have to bring stock at the same level....
your point has no sense to me...

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Pond5 / Re: Pond 5 Sales Dropped Off
« on: August 04, 2019, 06:29 »
contributors at pond5 are complaining a sudden huge drop from april...
if it was all about competition and new contributors like you said  the drop would be slow and steady....

Yes, and contributors who aren't experiencing that drop continue on working as usual. They don't go on the forums saying "listen up, sales are normal!".

For me, June is the best month of 2019 so far, followed by April. If 30 contributors experience a drop it does not necessarily mean the end is near. It COULD mean that, sure, but it also could not.

Do you think Pond5 decide to make changes that lower overall revenue on purpose? Of course not. But they get more valuable data in a week than any contributor in their entire career. They can follow customer behavior closely, they see EXACTLY what they click on, when they leave the site, and when they stay, look for more, and purchase.

Any radical changes likely come as a REACTION to downward trends, not the other way around. If customers on average spend 30% more, but 50 contributors make less, that is still called a reasonable business decision.

if those 30 contributors were happy with sales until march then all of the sudden sales went down for all of  them likely a big change has happened...of course it doesn't mean everybody has been affected but seeing pond5 trying desperately to catch new buyers at the cost of lying to contributors and go back on their words about exclusive,it means to me that they are in trouble and are not doing well like you said...
i don't think they wanted to lower overall revenue on purpose,they are not that stupid,but in business sometimes you make mistakes even with all the data they have...
Should i mention the websize format that from their test and data would bring in more sales and new buyers?? it lasted 3 months then they've doubled back on their rail..
Should i mention the exclusive program that  from their data all buyers were looking for???...wait few months and they'll double back on this too because you can't claim to have exclusive clips when you offer those clips through your partners too...it was only a smoke screen to cover the royalties cut...

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Pond5 / Re: Pond 5 Sales Dropped Off
« on: August 03, 2019, 14:52 »
THIS test had only been running that long. And it most definitely would have caused a massive slowdown for any sellers offering clips above the excluded price points.

Yes, and you replied using that as the reason that liveoutloud's sales had "been dropping like a rock" since February. So we should have interpreted that as them ruining sales on purpose since February?

In case you didn't know, this test was accidentally stumbled upon by a contributor. That's not "considered" to be shady, that's straight-up behind the back betrayal of trust.

Yes, I have read all the posts in all of the threads regarding this. Every single one. My wording was a polite way of saying it was shady. I fully agree there.

I test the search almost every week to see if action needs to be taken. I haven't seen this price discrimination before.


It is incredibly naive to assume this was the only sales damaging blunder they've made this year.

Well, sales damaging for some does not mean sales damaging for all. You have around 35-40 people posting in the P5 threads. They make up a very, very small part of the 17.5 million total clips online.

What I find very naive is the constant talk of "caring about the individual contributor". With many thousands, this is only done by trying to raise sales on average. Some individuals will always suffer. Of course, in all of our minds, "me" is what is most important.

My 2019 is better than my 2018, so from my perspective the so called "sales damaging blunders" have not been sales damaging at all. And this is with the 20% non-exclusive cut since March, so the amount spent is actually a lot higher than 2018. The same would be true for SpaceStockFootage, even though that's for animations mostly. His average is close to the same DESPITE the cut.


What a condescending comment. And the irony is the failure to understand that search results don't bring up every clip every made. On a specific given search term, a clip isn't competing with "17.5 million clips". Many searches have fewer than 500 results, many other niche topics less than 100. When Pond5 excludes every clip over $50 or $80 from a search, that is a major problem that more contributors in that price range should be aware of, and very vocal about. Attacking the intelligence of the contributors who are actively speaking up about this is just unnecessarily rude. Try to comprehend that.

This wasn't directed at you, and I apologize if you interpreted it that way. BUT, I stand by that many of the P5 posters SEEM to not understand the basics of an incredibly high increase in supply. Just because they sold a lot when it was easier does not mean it will stay that way forever.


Too true.

I see a lot of contributors complaining that have been with P5 a while.
And I also see a lot of really good new contributors too.
Always got to keep an eye on the competition, why am I selling less? Perhaps its because there are newer better clips than mine?
Metaphorically speaking.

Also with reference to the 17.5 million clips being in direct competition with each other.
Type in say "young millennial caucasian couple romantic"
And there's 1400 clips.

Filming a drone view of the countryside at sunset might be different.

I sometimes despair at the amount of clips there are, then I look at the amount of clips in direct competition to mine and there aren`t that many. 1000 to 100 depending on the search and subject.

contributors at pond5 are complaining a sudden huge drop from april...
if it was all about competition and new contributors like you said  the drop would be slow and steady....

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Pond5 / Re: Pond 5 Sales Dropped Off
« on: August 03, 2019, 05:34 »
i just checked from another pc and the cap here is 80$...the good news is that if the 4k price is higher than 80$ but the downsized hd is less than 80 it comes up in the search...

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Pond5 / Re: Pond 5 Sales Dropped Off
« on: August 03, 2019, 03:25 »

Actually ss adobe dissolve and other are still selling 79/179 and they sell well for me....the price goes down where artists can set their price or where artists join those subscription plans...at the end of the day artists are responsible for the race to the bottom...

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Pond5 / Re: Pond 5 Sales Dropped Off
« on: August 02, 2019, 11:24 »
This is due to subscription plans on other agencies guyd..be aware that supporting those subscription plan agencies you will lose sales elsewhere..
Btw it's only a test that will end soon,but artists are wsrned that they can't sell the same clips for peanuts on subscription and sell it elsewhere at normal price with no consequences..

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I dont think they have an unlimited plan, but they have very generous packages.

So far my average per download has gone up.


From 39$ per month you get unlimited download...

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