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General Stock Discussion / Re: Coronavirus ?
« on: March 10, 2020, 18:58 »
So, in terms of results, it's normal for the moment, even a bit better than usual. If recession is coming, the drop won't be immediate, but it's a real threat on mid term.

In the meantime, Coronavirus boosts some topics in particular, explaining the increase in revenue. if you're shooting editorial, it's the moment to put for sales pictures of hospitals (the shots can be used when cases will be spotted in the precise location) and anything related to health, public transportation, Italy, Iran (this is working veeeery well), and anything that could be potentially related to the Covid-19 prevention and restrictions that could happen (schools that could be closed, public places, law enforcement, ambulances, etc.). Even things that are not directly related sell: I got a few shots I took a long time ago of mold removal suits, that are labled this way, but that look a bit like hazmat suits that are selling at the moment.

it may sound like a buzzard's business, but that's the way editorial works.

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DepositPhotos / Re: no payment
« on: March 08, 2020, 21:22 »
Why is it that these glitches ALWAYS affect only the contributers ?

Because it's DP we're talking about: they can't have buyers impacted, as there are none of them! :-p

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Shutterstock.com / Re: rejection rate
« on: February 28, 2020, 04:44 »
I'm only on photos. In the end, I got back my close to 100% acceptance, however, I need a few resubmissions. So, at the moment, it's typically this:

Commercial:
half of the batch gets accepted on the first submission, I resubmit immediately the rejected ones, half of them get rejected. I resize the remaining ones, most of them are accepted on the third round, I continue resizing the last ones. Usually, in the end, less than 1 out of 30 will remain rejected, and the reason, at that stage, is justified in most cases.

Editorial:
The rejection rate used to be the same as commercial, but it seems they changed something three weeks ago. I have now around a 10% rejection on first round, and applying my resubmission process makes all the pictures accepted.

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General - Top Sites / Re: Frustrated with Shutterstock reviewers
« on: February 18, 2020, 09:01 »
Follow the money.

2. If youre an established contributor, you make a higher royalty rate and SS keeps less of the money, so your work gets rejected more often and when accepted automatically gets pushed back in the search. That way new contributors can flood the site with images that get pushed to the top, and SS keeps more money by paying lower royalties.

I'm definitely not sure about that theory. I studied the numbers after reaching a new tier, and it did not have a significant impact.

being in a higher tier may mean you are more expensive, indeed, but it means your photos are more bankable, as it needs more than a few ducks in pound to reach the levels. Therefore, your return on investment may be higher.

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General - Top Sites / Re: Frustrated with Shutterstock reviewers
« on: February 18, 2020, 05:45 »
In all relevant searches are the same as always. Never mind your Coronavirus editorials, or change the official name every day, the World Health Organization. You are placed on the page, 3, 4 and 5 of new files. If they have any quality, directly to page 12.

Actually... not. At the moment, my newer files are even working better than usual. It seems they are regularly updating their algorithm, and, at the moment, the most recent uploads are slightly pushed, even though it's not as spectacular as I have been able to observe previously.


Conclusion, if you want something different as a client, you must go to modern agencies. Since the Similar Content is promoted by the agency itself, diverting quality and modernity towards the competition.


I would like to believe what you're saying, but my numbers are saying something else.

If I compare the 2019 yearly RPI to 2018 by platforms, here is the evolution:
Shutterstock   -10,09%
IStock   -9,03%
123RF   21,52%
Alamy   -25,19%
Dreamstome   60,84%
Depositphotos   14,50%
Adobe   108,52%
Bigstock   -10,77%

As we can see, SS is far from being the only problematic platform. We can see, indeed, that the smaller platforms are getting better numbers, including some notorious golden turds like 123RF and DP. Adobe is showing an amazing performance, with a three digit yRPI growth.

That being said, here is the fundamental data: the revenue share from SS, IS and Alamy all together has not changed a lot: they represented 84% of my income in 2019 vs 89% in 2018, SS being stable at 32%. In the meantime, AS showed an amazing evolution, but we're talking about jumping from 1.5% of the revenue share in 2018 to 4%. It's expected to be smaller, as I have only 25% of my portfolio on this platform, but we're still talking about marginal phenomenon.

So, yes, I'd like to think that SS is decreasing in favor of other agencies, but it's not the case. The issues we're dealing with when it comes to Shutterstock are not that different from the general ones about Microstock.

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General - Top Sites / Re: Frustrated with Shutterstock reviewers
« on: February 16, 2020, 08:29 »
Here are a few of my theories, after some disastrous months in terms of review:

-reviewers are still humans, but are blindly following the advice from an AI. The work they perform in terms of intellectual property detection or just people detection can't be conducted solely by an AI (they were for instance able to reject a picture that had a Louis Vuitton logo hidden in the background of a picture, half hidden by cables and branches, that did not appear in the keywords nor in the title). However, it seems they don't even consider to challenge the AIs quality analysis, explaining why we get bogus rejections.

-there are probably KPI and staffing issues with the reviewers. I am receiving bulk rejections for absurd reasons (for instance a batch of 10 files that will all have the same rejection reason, generally the title is not in English or the image is underexposed, while actually my batches are made of totally different pictures and topics). In the meantime, while commercial pictures are reviewed extremely fast, it can take up to several days for an editorial picture to be reviewed. It's still not 123RF, but it can be a pain in the ass while covering topics like the Coronavirus, that are really hot at the moment. My interpretation on this is that they are put under pressure to reduce the amount of approved files, while being understaffed. It can explain why they are actually not doing a real job at some time (like rejecting 10 pictures in a row based on a one second appreciation of one picture or approving in 30s pictures that don't have any interest but don't raise any red flag from their AI).

-when it comes to photos, their policies can be easily bypassed. As I previously wrote, I reopened a folder called "shutterstock rejects" where I copy all the rejected photos. On first submission, I can have a rejection rate of around 50%. I re-sbumit the next day the same files with no modifications, there are already chances for 50% of these previously rejected files to be accepted. Then, for the remaining ones, I will decrease the resolution while applying some light noise reduction and clarity adjustments and resubmit. Most of the files will be accepted at that point. For the last ones, I will continue progressively decreasing the resolution till it reaches the lowest resolution authorized. At that point, the initial batch got an acceptance rate of around 98%. I'm still losing a bit (up until now, I was around 99% acceptabce), and I'm wasting my time, but at least I am partially saving my ass.

-last thing: they are not very good at rejecting similar content. I am conducting a strategy to re-upload in commercial pictures that I had a long time ago uploaded in editorial. I discovered that, all over those years, my editing techniques have greatly improved, thus enabling me to better delete intellectual property elements, people, while providing a much better overall processing. I can therefore provide quality files on topics where there are currently a lot of demand (like Iran). Normally, such files should be flagged as similar. However, if you simply mirror the file, it become accepted. I did it as a standard on this category of pictures, at I have an acceptance rate of around 99%...

To summarize, my interpretation is that they are struggling to improve their review process while being cheap, which is doomed to fail. Their system is so cheap, however, that it is still possible to get around it. It's totally stupid, because it can force you to decrease the quality of files that were just fine, but did not fit their AI requirements in terms of focus and noise (especially in editorial), but it works.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: I got a rejection at Dreamstime??
« on: February 04, 2020, 06:54 »
I don't really care neither, apart from BS (it's a mid performer with me... I know, my kind of good results on BS are the weirdest thing I have in my microstock performances).

Anyway, from my experience, DT rejections for quality occur two or three times per year, so I don't really mind, because there's no impact on the performance whatsoever.

That being said, I have noticed they have as well a couple of weird restrictions, like SS, but in more hardcore, on punctual things. I know for instance that they will reject a picture (in editorial) on which a Starbucks logo appears... even though it's not the center of the attention. I got recently a couple of random shots of streets where there was a Starbucks in background, with a logo not bigger than a couple of pixels that got rejected for that reason. I get the same thing with a few other brands, but once again, I'm not sure there's some real impact considering it's less than 1% of the submitted pictures.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is this January especially low for you?
« on: January 17, 2020, 08:31 »
SS has been very low to start the year.  However, this is typical.  Traditionally, for some unknown reason, sales are slow the first half of the month, but usually pick up towards the end of the month.  This week has been very good, though still not enough to make up for the lousy beginning of the month

I noticed the same. Over the past three to four years (before that time, the data isn't relevant for me), the days before the 8-10th of January are a disaster.

My blunt supposition is that there is a combination of the fact that many people are still on holidays, and the fact that there may be some yearly contracts (subscriptions or not) with SS that are not that easy to process (whether it's payments by the clients or just order management by SS), resulting in some delay, the time for the volume to be handled.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Is this January especially low for you?
« on: January 16, 2020, 05:26 »
For me, it started catastrophically, but last week it took off very impressively, numbers managing to come back to acceptable average at half month.

The beginning of January has always been a disaster, before coming back to normal from the 8th-10th (I never understood that delay between the end of the holidays and the re-start of the activity). This year, however, the changes were more violent, as the first week was probably my worst in 3 years, while last 7-8 days were among the best ones in 5 years.

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Alamy.com / Re: 10 years in alamy, should I give up?
« on: January 11, 2020, 08:30 »
As some others were saying, it's hard to know given we don't have the X axis.

In any case, keep in mind that the main issue with Alamy comes from the comparatively low volume of sales. It's therefore hard to predict anything, as you would need a much bigger sample to make any reliable analysis. This explains as well why the sales volume may seem inconsistent on a 6 months or even a year analysis. I have made on Alamy in five years more money than the top 4 turds together, and yet, the sales volume in 5 years is inferior to the monthly volume of these 4 turds.

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Unfortunately it is people with your thought that are one of the reasons of the stock industry demise. Of course there are people that don't stop at pennies and are glad to give their creations for free to Usplash and the likes so it is of no surprise where we are.

 You are still making a few dollars here and there and you have the mentality ride the wagon as long as you can. Your earnings will drop no doubt about it , it does not matter how much time or effort you put into it. This is the direction of the stock train and no turning back is possible so your strategy as an individual person is not wrong but as a collective we are all responsible that the value of stock photography / video /music is heading to 0 as days go by.

Collateral victims are contributors and agencies that fought to maintain value. Once again history shows us that without regulation this is not possible. It is what it is.

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Is not uploading but leaving things on IS for my $50-$100 a year also flawed? Some days I think so, and wonder about just closing. Others I feel that for the effort, I'll take some "free money". Can't decide, so I keep reviewing the situation and thinking, maybe I should just close out and stop helping them. But then I say, what's the harm... OK you get the idea, undecided, flip flop, can't make up my mind.   ;D


Closing is always the nuclear bomb option should only be done in extreme situations. I closed my account on Canva after the teamed up with those Unsplash turds and started offering our entire ports for $10/month. In 2019 I closed my accounts at Colourbox and Canstock, mainly due to poor performances.

One option would just be to stop unloading new stuff which is still shooting ourselves in the foot since it would prejudice future earnings, however small. It comes down the accepting that we are too small to make any sort of meaningful difference. Even if Africa Studios pulled their entire port of 1.3million pics on SS, not even sure that would make a huge difference, so what hope is there for my puny 6.5k pics on iStock. They don't care, we're just drops in the sand. But the $100 is real and = $1.2k a year to put towards upgrading/trips/wild trips in Amsterdam, etc.

I would rather feel slightly "bad" about about earning $1.2k/year than feel good / righteous about earning $0.

Regulation could help getting a fair share out of our work, however, this would not change a lot in terms of situation.

It is not "people like us" that are killing the industry. Uploading to get a few pennies may work first, just to check how this work. However, after a while, you will either find a profitable approach or give up, because you will discover that it is not only about shooting and uploading, there are plenty of boring steps to follow to get results.

When it comes to the "turd" websites such as 123RF or DP, they are not really a threat. I checked a bit the revenue shares by platforms: 85% of my revenue last year came from SS, IS and Alamy. If we stick to downloads, it's the same, the other websites and they often lower royalties don't represent more than this trio. However, the dose of efforts to upload to these smaller platforms is almost insignificant given that most of the work (shooting, processing and keywording) will be necessary already for the three main platforms.

So, if we want to solve things, blaming people for uploading on turd stock websites is not the solution. In fact, these websites are not responsible in any case for the situation. Regulation may be a part of the way to resolve it, especially to stop some shameful practices from IS or Alamy, but it won't change a lot.

The main reason why the money we get is decreasing (which is actually not the case for everybody) comes from a very simple fact: the cost to produce a picture of acceptable standards has never been that low. As a consequence, it's not surprising to see the supply increasing and the prices decreasing: it's both more profitable, and easier to get something acceptable.

The world of photography has changed a lot, and it became harder to get money out of it, it's a fact. However, it's mainly a problem of technological change, so it's gonna be hard to counter it.

That being said, there are plenty of domains where you can still get more added value: there are still plenty of uncovered content areas in microstock, where you can get a very decent return on investment. Even more, if you want to fine something more artistically rewarding, you can get to other fields of photography than microstock, it pays more, but it's much harder to get results, of course.

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Whether it's RPD, RPI or just revenue, DP is the worst of the platforms I upload to.

After careful consideration, I finally decided to stay for another reason: personal advertisement.

I have noticed, indeed, that several of the buyers I had on DP were major news website from Balkans. Therefore, I am punctually using this as some references to my clients outside of the microstock world. It's indeed slightly less glorious than Alamy thanks to whom I can add references like BBC, Wired or The Independent, but on the local market, it's actually something pretty marketable.

That being said, one day or another, I think this will have to stop.

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Newbie Discussion / Re: Shutter stock rejections arrgghh
« on: January 07, 2020, 09:09 »
Here is my recent experience with the rejections:

-they increased drastically, as for most of us, mainly due to noise or "not in focus". As I was previously mentioning, I reopened my folder "rejections shutterstock" where I store this files to resubmit them after some additional processing: I slightly increase the clarity, perform some noise reduction, and redimension the picture subtracting 200 px on the largest side. If some of them get rejected again, I redimension again the pictures subtracting again 200px, and continue like this for two weeks. After two weeks, I abandon, but in 99% of the cases, after two attempts, the file gets accepted.

-I automatically copy the rejected files in a second folder for Bigstock rejections, as BS is doing even worse in terms of rejections at the moment. So, the moment I get the rejections from BS, I don't even need to do more work, and immediately resubmit the files that I previously worked for SS. They get accepted pretty easily, except their stupid things like rejecting on commercial medieval buildings for copyright, for instance.

-their system to detect the duplicates is still totally useless. I made a few tests submitting files that I had uploaded two or three years ago simply mirroring the picture, they were immediately accepted.

-They seem to prioritise commercial files, that are reviewed in less than an hour, to editorial, that takes sometimes more than a day... I am not sure to understand why they are working this way.

-As somebody else mentioned before, weekend or night reviewers seem to be the worst in terms of review.

-They have some serious issue with the "non licensable content": some of my files of street views got rejected because they had, in the background, hardly visible, sometimes partly hidden behind branches, logos of Vuitton or Chanel, that don;t even appear in the keywords. Even worse, I noticed a bug, given that in every case, the file before or after the one with the logo got rejected for the same reason, even though there was no problem.

So, people were complaining because SS lacked of rejections, they got them, are they happy now?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Secrets of successful marketing?
« on: December 15, 2019, 09:52 »
Well, my general principal, whether we're talking on stock or on other businesses (I have actually worked a lot for clients on paid ads) is about what you are selling. So, content is king, indeed, but it's not about an outstanding quality, but about niches.

The internet is big (not only in the microstock world) so you won't take it over. You need then to find niches that you can try to take over, whether it's location or topics/branches/businesses, check if there is a market for you, and take it over, and constantly experiment for new sectors. it's another principle linked to the long tail. In the end, it will be easier, and cheaper to control niches than trying to become visible on broader markets.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock reviewers are idiots
« on: December 12, 2019, 10:22 »
In my experience, SS standards are the lowest among all the major MS sites I submit to. Anything and everything gets through as long as it's somewhat free of noise and artifacts.

I post 1 percent of my work on Unsplash and Pexels (just for kicks) and I can tell you that they have a higher standard than SS. So I would never complain about SS being too strict about their reviews. In fact, they need to tighten up the screws for the sake of the MS markets.

Well, the job they do in terms of quality is not strict at all, it's just implementing absurd standards.

Having competent reviewers would be ideal, but they obviously don't want to invest the money in it. In the end, I'd rather have very liberal review policies than this absurdity, that is not even rational in terms of business, as the garbage content gets flushed really fast...

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Actually, this graph is just basic economics, as a growth can't be exponential indefinitely, the data about the total payout, and the total revenue and benefits are what matter. About the last one, the overall evolution of the economic situation during the next months will be crucial.

That being said, as I was writing before, we can expect a few agencies to disappear and/or merged, as the market is saturated. TBH, I'm still surprised it did not happen before. I would definitely see Dreamstime being acquired, as well as 123RF disappearing a way or another (the same for DP). All of this, as well, could have some impact on the business and on Shutterstock.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Royalty stats out.
« on: November 20, 2019, 16:49 »
A pretty solid month, a decent RPD. In terms of revenue, it's my third BME, but without real outstanding sale (I just got one sale above $10, generating $12.5), which makes the overall situation pretty solid.

I was actually dreading this month's results, as the reported interactions, the only regular stat I have from IS, got divided by almost two last month (I know I am not the only one to have faced that issue). It seems, however, that it's not really related to the actual sales, which is a bit reassuring.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: November 04, 2019, 07:36 »
Well, it depends on the type of microstock you're doing. I'm based in Southeastern Europe, mainly shooting editorial and travel.

The demand for southeastern Europe in these fields is actually incredibly low. So, shooting more or less the same topics, I get some significantly different performance.

In average, my RPI for a picture taken in the Balkans is almost three times lower than for a file taken in Germany, and between 5 to 6 times lower than for a Canadian picture. If I check my photos taken in Ukraine, it's even worse: the RPI is half the one of Balkans...

In the end, depending on what you shoot, there may still be a potential for you, even in a developed country, due to the much bigger demand.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: September numbers...
« on: October 18, 2019, 09:22 »
Why is anyone still uploading there?

These rates are an insult

The rates are indeed an insult. However, like most of us, I do microstock for a profit, so I have a look at the numbers.

In terms of revenue, IS is the second highest earner. In terms of RPI, it's the first, ex-aequo with SS. In terms of RPD, it fluctuates, but it's usually the second or the third, after Alamy and SS.

So, yes, I have the feeling IS is taking a lot from me, and that the way they treat us is outrageous. However, there are some financial reasons explaining why I'm staying... more or less the same reasons that push me to have a main job where I'm not very well treated...

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: September numbers...
« on: October 18, 2019, 07:32 »
Compared to last month, it's slightly better. If we take in account the fact that I got some refunds in August, the performance is more or less the same.

September (and october), however, are usually pretty bad months for me. If I compare the performance to last year, my revenue has been multiplied by 2.6. I checked a bit the reports, and I did not detect any outstanding sale during the month (the highest was around $4.

Therefore, I can't say this is an amazing month, but considering the season and the overall number, it is just fine.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock reviewers are idiots
« on: October 17, 2019, 07:37 »
After having got some rejections such as a bird mistaken for sensor dust, or a lack of sharpness on the corners of a wide angle shot of a landscape, I agree with all above, the reviewers are back to 2017!

Regarding the similars, I made a few tests: I submitted a landscape picture similar to one that got accepted one week earlier. The file is however different, there are probably a few mm of focal lens of difference between the two, and a different post-processing: it got accepted. I submitted another landscape picture, the exact same file that I had submitted a year ago, but this time with a much heavier and different post processing, it got rejected. The AI detection is therefore the most probable reason.

To counter the stupid rejections, in the end, I am trying to submit a first time the files as I am submitting them to other agencies. If some are getting rejected, I am then trying to process them a bit more to reduce the noise, while applying an old trick: reducing the dimensions. Usually, after the second or the third review, the remaining rejected files are mainly only the ones that show real issues.

When I was a beginner in microstock, one of the rules was not to fight a rejection. With the unqualified reviewers in SS, I think we need now to discard this rules...

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Zero sales of new files
« on: October 16, 2019, 21:42 »
That's actually surprising! While I noticed last month that most of my sales were coming from relatively old files (ID below 1.2 billion), the last week have seen a sharp increase of sales coming from files with an ID above 1.4 billion, plus an increase of the old and traditional best sellers.

In terms of quality, it is a bit strange, considering my files located around the ID 1.4bn are not as good as usual, due to the use of a lower quality lens during a trip, following some technical issues.

Furthermore, I have launched a search on a few terms that I'm used to search, and it seems indeed some newer files have been a bit pushed up.

That being said, considering the parameters taken in account in the algorithm, plenty of other factors could explain these differences...

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS continues to deteriorate
« on: October 02, 2019, 15:37 »
I agree, I'm doing a supposition based on a pretty small statistical evidence made of 4 cases, two of them being pretty radical, two others slightly less. I would need of course more observation, but, based from my experience from a few years ago working in the back-office of a pretty big website, doing some weird inventory adjustments to reconcile inputs and outputs in accordance with the contracts is something pretty common. In the end, as long as I'm receiving my share, I actually don't really want to see how the sausage is made.

Then, in terms of algorithm, I have tracked a few cases, and there are indeed some changes in the search results over the time. Here again, even though I may be penalised in some cases, it seems some are taking advantage, so these changes are not totally bad, at least not for everybody.

The only solution I have found up until now to counter these suspected changes is to maintain an upload rate as stable as possible on the long term. This is as well how I can sometimes see something changing, like when older pictures suddenly start to come back.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS continues to deteriorate
« on: October 01, 2019, 11:17 »
So, to summarize, this month was a roller coaster.

The month started pretty horribly, before having around the 15th a lot of Single & Others, including a $50 one, which is pretty unsual (my portfolio is made of 99% photos), before slowly returning back to a normal pace.

In the end, I'm within my goals for this month. The $50 sale made it among my BME's. Deducting this sale, it would have still been an average month, slightly better than the previous ones. In terms of downloads, as well, it would have been in the average, even though the numbers were probably 5 to 10% lower than usual (the RPD was therefore higher, even without the $50 sale).

As I was previously saying, I have this conspiracy theory that SS is using sometimes the Single & Other column to renconciliate amounts after they screwed up something in the royalties. It's not the first time indeed that I'm seeing this scheme happening. For the moment, however, I would still say it's a kind of conspiracy theory, as it can be a coincidence, given that I lack of evidence, even statistically speaking.

In terms of algorithm, something happened, indeed. It seems the algorithm is promoting more intensively the older pictures. I got actually a lot of sales from files with an ID inferior to 1200000000, while I used to have in the previous months good performance from files between 1200000000 and 1460000000 (there were a few strategic mistakes that could explain why the most recent files are failing, even though it shouldn't be that radical). Even more, I got some pretty big surprises with 1st sales on files that were older (below the billion).

So, in the end, it's a bit of a stressful situation after a beginning of the year that was perfect. That being said, the algorithm changes, in the end, just transformed the way I'm selling, but not the average result. Now, let's see if the trend continues. The last years, October was a bit of a disappointment, we'll see if there's a seasonality here.

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How come somebody would dare to try to make money from his work on the internet?

Oh... wait... microstock...

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