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10 cents / image?

Now seriously. I don't shoot models, but I do know that some of them, starters, are willing to do it for free in return for the images/video's which they can add to their portfolio.
If you're starting to shoot models too, and need to develop your skills, it might be a fair deal. But be cautious with subjects you shoot, and explain them very well what can happen with images when they end up on stock sites.
Read: https://www.microstockgroup.com/general-stock-discussion/sensitive-use-complaint/msg0

Professional models might be on the safer side in regards to future hassle, as you can expect them to know what they're doing, but more risky for you as you might never recover the investment.

I see many contributors using themselves or a close relative/friend as a model. I think this is the better option, but needlessly to say: explain what the consequences can be of modelling for stock. The image can be used in a context the model doesn't want to have any affiliation with.



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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wirestock news
« on: March 14, 2021, 04:33 »
Not to open a completely new thread, can anyone tell me what is the Wirestock take on uploading similars/photos from the same series that I already have uploaded through my accounts?

Duplicates are not allowed, and will be rejected.
As far as I know, similars/other content from the same series are fine, but whether it's a good idea to do that is subject of discussion.

Maybe uploading image A from a series to your personal account using your own keywording and uploading image B from that shoot to Wirestock using their keywording service might be a strategy to consider. Just don't stretch similarity, and make sure there's a distinctive difference between the two images. 

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Mostphotos.com / Re: Mostphotos updated terms?
« on: March 10, 2021, 13:39 »
mostphotos site is having an error 403 Forbidden. The site seems down since yesterday. Not sure what happened to it.

Working just fine here. Not that anybody really should care. Sales are very scarce.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wirestock news
« on: March 10, 2021, 13:27 »
So Extra Channels is a choice selection in the future. I'd love to see the same for Instant Pay.

From what I understood, both Instant Pay and Extra Channels are a choice per image. If you opted out to include all before.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wirestock news
« on: March 10, 2021, 03:53 »

No it wasn't sent to everyone at the same time. I got my notice in July. That's when the new Instant Pay program was added. The article you linked to was also in an alert posted here using that December date. Someone new will be notified shortly after joining, as they are new. Logically impossible to be notified before they joined. He joined in November or December, he was notified in December.

Yes maybe it wasn't sent, maybe you got it in spam and maybe it just looked like spam? Look at July 1, 2020?


Update: I contacted their support and explained the situation. They seemed to understand my concerns and opted me out for instant pay. Well done by them, and I appreciate how they handled it. I also opted out for extra channels, and I'm now able to select instant pay and extra channels per image. What happens in the background remains somewhat unclear for me.

I still don't like the way they implemented instant pay or extra channels. It feels like they want to have the complete freedom to include whatever agency they sign up for in the future under extra channels or instant pay without giving notice or transparency to contributors. Canva seems to be one of them, why not add an extra "Canva" checkbox next to the other ones? Same for instant pay. Why not just include "Freepik (instant pay)" as an extra checkbox? Both are worth mentioning, and contributors still want to know to which agencies their content is distributed to. That way they can check royalty rates and decide whether they agree with it or not. And as far as direct marketing to premium customers goes: I think sales like that are scarce yet profitable enough to make the extra effort to contact the contributor directly and discuss terms. With Extra Channels you give them the complete freedom to sell a premium image (which I don't recommend uploading to Wirestock, but that's another discussion) way too cheap.


I thought the article you linked to was interesting. Facts mixed with opinion, but at least he took the time to find real information before jumping to some presumptions. I'd have to say, I did look around when I joined and did find the Armenian connection. Nothing unusual about someone starting a company and being in a few places for tax reasons or other benefits.

Deposit Photos, pretended to be a US company incorporated in Florida, has a NY address, but they are really, Kyiv Ukraine, and Limassol Cyprus.

Part of my assumption about Wirestock that wasn't in the German blog, was they are trying to mask the identity of the investors as well.

The terms being lifted from SS was pretty amusing. Not saying it's a good idea, but that's not the first one to do the same and miss words like Shutterstock or some other agency name, Getty was in one, or the wrong country. Welcome to Microstock? There have been self hosted that did the same thing. Nice to copy some legal boilerplate, which is common, but there needs to be better proof reading.


Well, I actually care very little about where an agency is located or who's behind it. Same for their tax optimization. Not that I agree with it, but every company tries to exploit legal loopholes to optimize earnings. Totally different discussion that goes way beyond microstock. If I had to take ethics and contributor treatment into account, I would not have a lot of agencies left to upload to.

The copied terms from Shutterstock is indeed another example of them being sloppy and in line with their buggy interface. Both feel like they rush to get things in place and afterwards slowly fix their errors, or don't fix them at all.
Now, I had a good experience with their support, and that's not nothing. Way better than most of the microstock agencies. 


Hopefully more people will read your questions and answers, and those from kall3bu, and be able to make an informed decision for themselves.

I think I've added this to every post but I don't know any reason why anyone would enable Instant Pay, unless they only uploaded non-selling images to Wirestock.

I use Wirestock to have access to agencies that I don't want an account. I use Wirestock because the automatic payment is $35 accumulated earnings and I don't have to deal with the agencies. I upload on my own to SS, AS and Alamy, because I want 100% not 85%.

There are some hypothetical advantages like placement, maybe higher earnings because the agency will be at the highest level and rank. That could possibly make up for the 15% fee for distribution. I don't think it does.

#1 reason I upload to some agencies using Wirestock for distribution? I'm Lazy, but also because I don't care about those agencies.
That's what we're here for Pete :) And I appreciate the discussion. I use Wirestock for the same reasons as you, and that would also be my advice to others.

Use it for uploading to agencies and content you don't care about, but keep the agencies and content you care for under own control. You never know what happens with Wirestock in the future, and how they will change their terms of condition. Removing your content via them from agencies can be a lengthy process: 30 days per 100 images, considered their support remains on par.
Opt out for both instant pay and extra channels, include content separately and carefully (in other words, content you even care less about and again: keep control).

Exception: I think Wirestock is a good platform for newcomers to microstock to test the water, but once you see things are taking off, sign up for the agencies you think it's worth for having personal accounts.


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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wirestock news
« on: March 08, 2021, 15:02 »
Everyone was added to Instant Pay when it was introduced, this is all or none. As far as their side, everyone was sent an email saying all of your images are now enrolled in Instant Pay. Just like this latest announcement that everything is included in Extra Channels.
Well, I really can't recall that email. Maybe it ended up in my spam folder, or I didn't get it, or... yeah, I just missed it. I joined them around May/June last year.
I remember instant pay was discussed earlier and thought, what the heck are they talking about, I never got an email and I never opted in or out and nothing about instant pay was visible in their interface or FAQ's for me. (I didn't re-read the terms of service though). Maybe I should have dug deeper back then and contacted their support. 

I found an article by Robert Kneschke about Wirestock discussing instant pay and advising to opt out before December 20th. https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/is-wirestocks-instant-pay-program-a-scam
. Again, I can't recall receiving that email. Seems that they didn't sent out the instant pay notification to everyone at the same time and maybe some of us even never got it?

(and you also might be interested in this: https://www.selling-stock.com/Article/who-is-behind-wirestockio-founders-funding-an)

Anyhow, I find it quite confusing altogether. You can check instant pay and extra channels separately per image since a few weeks now (none of my images were opted-in when they added the functionality) and suddenly find out everything is changed to opted-in. Never sold anything so far via Instant Pay since they enabled it in ... July 2020? December 2020? Not yet?  Maybe my content is good enough to to pay for on regular stock sites but not good enough for a one-time fee and distribution on Freepik :)

I think that we are discussing this again is good, because many people will not want their images sold Instant Pay and enabled on Pexels forever. I don't.
Exactly. But for contributors who (like me) missed the email and are now opted in there's no way back I guess, unless manually request removal of the images from your portfolio you don't want to put for sale as instant pay. Which can take ages if you have a big portfolio. I contacted their support, let's see what they have to say.

Once Wirestock receives your request in accordance with this provision, Wirestock shall have 90 days to remove all your Content hosted by content marketplaces so long as you have uploaded to Wirestock no more than 100 items of Content. For each additional 100 items of Content, Wirestock shall have an additional 30 days to remove all your Content.

The same for Extra Channels, everyone is automatically included. You have to opt out. I wouldn't say any of this was "sneaky"
To participate in Extra Channels, you dont need to do anything. If you would like to opt out, please reply to this email by March 11, 2021.

The same was in the email about Instant Pay, although some might say that 7 days notice isn't enough time?

Well, I did get that one, and opted out. Let's see if I can enable it for some images afterwards, but I don't want all my content available for extra channels.
Again, I might be fine with it for a chunk of my content, but not for everything!

Yeah, the system is flaky, what casoly said too about uploads disappearing and suddenly there are two of the same file. I wrote to them they said it was being looked into.  ::) Sure I know that one and it means We Don't Know, but we'll give you some answer to make you feel like we actually care?

I see nothing "fishy" or "suspicious" I just see errors and possibly incompetence. There is nothing to support accusing them of not reporting income, in any case?

I didn't say I accuse them for not reporting sales Pete, but allow me to have some reservations here. If they are pretty sloppy with their front-end functionality and are holding back on transparency... why should I trust them on not having the same issues in their back-end? Of course, the same same can be said about some other agencies too.

By the way, way back someone asked why use this service. Why pay them 15% if I could upload and get the full amount. In my case I have no account at 123RF, none at Deposit, no Pond5 for photos and when I make the next payout at DT I'm closing that. I'm also not on Canva, no Science Photos and who knows what Extra Channels might mean. So instead of waiting for any one those or their limits for payments, I get paid from Wirestock, any time, I accumulate $35 in earnings.

I upload to SS, AS and Alamy myself, because I want 100% of what I earn.  :) The rest are not important and I can throw whatever I have on the hard drive up to WS and forget about that. This doesn't have to be an all or nothing association.

Example: Rejected by SS and AS and it would never fly on Alamy. I uploaded to WS.



They can have 15% for distribution, because my share of nothing would have been nothing.

I'm fully with you here, and that's also the reason why I joined WS. One might even consider uploading to Shutterstock via Wirestock, certainly when you're at lower levels. The Wirestock commission can be compensated by their higher earning levels. For the record: I don't do that.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wirestock news
« on: March 08, 2021, 03:25 »

I think Instant Pay is IN or OUT so there's no choice which images are included. Unless they changed that also? But you hit it. Images that have never sold anywhere, might be good for that.


I'm very sure that I never opted in for extra channels or instant pay in the account settings.
I'm also very sure that I did had the option to select it per image, which I also did for a few.
When checking again today, I see all of my images are selected for instant pay!


I think they track sales and earnings just fine. There's nothing to gain by cheating someone out of pennies and losing the trust of a whole larger group of potential artists.


I don't say that there is a problem with sales reporting, or if there is a problem it's on purpose, but for sure their interface is full of (intermittent) bugs and this makes me suspicious.
After I just found out about the sneaky enablement of instant pay for all my images, I'm even more suspicious.

There's clearly something fishy going on there (on purpose or not) and it creates a lot of confusion.
I currently have the feeling of having no control at all, and would recommend halting uploads to WireStock until they cleared the air.



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General Stock Discussion / Re: Wirestock news
« on: March 06, 2021, 11:18 »
Wirestock user here, and these are my two cents.

I primarily signed up with them to "unlock" the Adobe Stock Editorial section for me (as my personal account doesn't allow me to upload editorials).
I also try to use them to upload to 123RF where I don't have a personal account and started to submit to Alamy via Wirestock instead of my own (pretty much dead) personal account. Every now and then I give them an image for distribution to all agencies, for various reasons.

The first is a success. Most of my sales at Wirestock are Adobe editoral sales.
123RF is a disaster as they don't seem to bother reviewing Wirestock submissions. Only a fraction of my submissions is in the stagnating Wirestock collection at 123RF.
Wirestock also gave me some Alamy sales, which is great.

So yeah, it seems to work, and I can tell you from experience that they do pay.

I still have some reservations though.
Their interface can be quite buggy every now and then, and you still have to "trust" them being honest in reporting sales.
I also miss some basic features like being able to search your Wirestock portfolio or un-licensing content.
I tried their beta version for video but they were never submitted due to a bug in their system and didn't bother afterwards (they claim it's fixed now)

They added a link to your content on the agencies which accepted the upload. Happy with that although also this feature seems to be lagging behind a lot or is still quite buggy.
Not struggling with their reviewing system here, it seems to be pretty much on par, but their own keywording service (which I rarely use) is basic and more miss than hit.

Regarding extra channels: it feels like they are trying to lure you in with $$$ sales perspectives, but I'm afraid most of the sales will be 0.$ or 0.0$.
You don't know to which obscure agencies or buyers your content will be submitted and for which price. Again: trust issue and no control.

Instant Pay is a different option, which for obvious reasons I don't recommend using, unless maybe for images that never sold before.

So yeah, mixed feelings here. Their buggy interface and failure to submit video's makes me suspicious regarding the sales reporting system.
Trust is key, and from my point of view they need to work on that (more transparency and get rid of the bugs) to fully convince me.
In addition, I like seeing them further developing their interface. 
But I'm glad with the extra opportunities they give me (e.g. Adobe Editorial) and the fact that I can upload "in one go" to agencies where I didn't submit to (anymore) previously.                             

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General Stock Discussion / Re: All down
« on: February 24, 2021, 05:04 »
Significant slower second half of the month here, on all platforms.
But I had a decent first half with average volume, more OD's than usual, and one pretty exceptional S&O on Shutterstock which are compensating the current drought. 

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Those connect sales are somewhat a mystery to me too. Anyhow, you can - more or less - track income and sales via DeepMeta. Connect statements are displayed separately from regular statements. Most of the time, connect sales are only a fraction of the regular sales, at least for me.

There's also a separate tab to display connect sales in DeepMeta under the statistics submenu. Here you can see which images got licensed via connect, and how much they earned you. And indeed, there's a 2 cent threshold, which if I'm not mistaken, gets a reset every month.

Now that I look at it: I've got a real winner there: 49 downloads earning me 4 cents!

Not worth bothering if you ask me. I've only got one month with pretty decent connect sales. Not sure how that happened, I guess a social media post using my one of my images went viral.

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General - Stock Video / Re: Facebook's lies about video metrics
« on: February 08, 2021, 03:21 »
And I thought I was old-fashioned by preferring text with images over watching videos.
But I guess it's different for the younger generation with gen-z'ers strongly preferring video or audio over text and I don't believe the demand will slow down. On the contrary.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: SS sales January
« on: February 07, 2021, 02:44 »

I'm still think I can make more on SS in 2021 than in 2020.

Sure, if you work hard.
Double your efforts, make a little bit more ;-)

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General - Stock Video / Re: How bad is it for the rest of you?
« on: January 27, 2021, 07:08 »
Not great either, with Adobe being the exception. Heading to a best month in half a year there, which is the only good news to report. Smaller agencies continue to dry up even further, and for SS I see on par amount of downloads, but terrible RPD which has something to do with the big reset, but there's more to it if you ask me. Almost every sale is a 10-cent'er sub and in addition to that my best sellers suddenly dropped significantly during this month (going from several downloads a day or per week per image last year, to one or two downloads per image for the complete month). They were replaced by sometimes pretty odd sales from images that never sold before and I can't recall uploading, or images from which I think: commercial value? Where? :o Maybe I should rethink my position on the "our portfolio's are capped" conspiracy.


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Nice read. You missed the updated brand name of Getty after the acquisition by Google.

It's now called GoLetty (pics for nothing and clicks for free)

They changed it in december 2030 on Christmas Eve stating that they were very excited to finally being able to drop the hassle of sending out royalty statements and payout schedules.
Something less to wade through and worry about. You can still listen to an automated dictation of your royalty statement at their headquarters in Masqueurabraskovania, new settlement on Antarctica. Rumour has it that there's barely any queuing. Payouts are now handled once a decade for contributors who reach the 5 GCoin threshold. You have to call their bot with ICQ and dictate your wallet hash in Khoisan click language.


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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock exciting news : $0.00 royalties
« on: January 18, 2021, 04:43 »
Istock is actually rounding to 5 decimal places, and the smallest royalties I saw is of 0.00002 $ (in the connect file). Also, based from the info provided, many of these ridiculously low commissions are from Cost Per View.

With a counter reset per image at the end of the month, making many images don't even reach the threshold. At least, that's how I understood it.

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Pond5 / Re: Sudden massive pile on of views on P5
« on: January 18, 2021, 04:40 »
Seeing the spike too, with a sharp peak on January 17th, no sales so far. 
Good to see that they are (finally?) starting to promote their image library.
I just hope we get to keep the option to set our own pricing.

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Off Topic / Re: stock photo reviewer job
« on: January 12, 2021, 02:44 »
As a former employee of a stock agency you potentially have a great background and inside information on how stock agencies work.
I'm sure a lot of us are very eager to hear you out on your experiences. :)

You might consider expanding your scope of work, and contact professional studio's which need keywording and descriptions for the content they are producing.
Contact them directly, explain your skills and experience. You can also offer your services on fiverr.com (don't know if it's worth it, never tried) and fill the gap with some freelance jobs.





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General Stock Discussion / Re: Stupid Question?
« on: January 04, 2021, 10:19 »
I never really believed that distributing your assets over different agencies causes your sales to drop at any other agency. The vast majority of the licensing happens via subscriptions, meaning that those customer don't shop around very much. They are looking for something that suits their needs, and if your asset is not available, they will choose someone else's. Agencies' databases are stuffed with similars and variations anyhow.

So, if you're non exclusive, and you want to make the most out of it, you might as well consider uploading to all major agencies. Just make up your mind about how low you are willing to go in terms of royalties and how much effort you are willing to put into it. Optimize your workflow or use automated distribution, as agencies like BigStock are not worth the effort if you have to upload and keyword your content manually. But that's just my point of view. 

It might be a different story for scarce or truly unique content. In that case exclusivity might be a better option, as royalties are higher, and from what I hear, agencies tend to push up exclusive content in their search engine algorithm.


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I hope you are right about Adobe, but I fail to see why they wouldn't - at a certain point in time - start dropping prices and commissions too either to match competition (and gain market share) or just to optimize their own earnings, or ... both.

It's hard business, not charity.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: "Your need to provide a cutline."
« on: January 04, 2021, 03:46 »
Submit all as Editorial bypasses the issue indeed.

Worrying to see Dreamstime not checking the submissions. They just blindly accept clearly (illustrative) editorial images as commercial.

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Only violence will solve this issue. There is no other possible solution.

The only thing that violence does is creating misery that makes things worse, so in the end people would realize that violence isn't the solution, and they start talking again to find a way out of their dispute leaving both parties behind with bitter memories to what happened.

So why we need violence in the first place if we know that it doesn't really solve anything? Hell I don't know.

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Having a roughly 50% nature driven portfolio myself, I can tell you from my experience that these images sell across all known platforms, taking into account that sales on low earning sites (where Dreamstime is one of them) are... well... slow. But! Very proper keywording including location and situations are absolutely key.

"Grass field in the mountains with trees under clear blue sky" will probably not get you any sales.
"Treelined agricultural field in Laruns, French Pyrenees with blue sky and mountain view during autumn" will do better.
Balance your first ten keywords with location, generic landscape description and situation. Enter the less important keywords or lesser uses synonyms after that.

You choose the wrong agency to start with and to put a lot of effort in. If you want sales, upload to Shutterstock (Yes I know, robbers), iStock/getty (Yes I know, robbers too) and Adobe Stock. A portfolio with 1800 decent quality images, properly keyworded, will probably get you regular sales spread out across these three agencies.

Edit: the above is valid for landscapes. If nature means plants and animals, I can't tell you much, except for the fact that this is not a good selling category for me. Nothing more than incidental sales. I have wildlife, but much better photographers than me with much better gear (zoom or macro lenses) compete my images down the drain. That said, it also makes sense to include locations here. e.g. Cheetah in %national park% or oak tree in %national park%

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Site Related / Re: Where is Everybody?
« on: December 02, 2020, 02:13 »
All of the reasons mentioned above. Shutterstock's holdup on contributor earnings, global pandemic, and a very quiet last months in terms of development with other agencies made many contributors apathic or just focusing on their own work. Feels like we are witnessing the silent death of a comatose patient. Many discussions are probably scattered around on  social media (which I don't use that frequently) or discussion boards in the native language of other contribution clusters, e.g. Russian.

The upcoming reset at Shutterstock in January will give us some juice again, but not in a good way, and probably nothing that hasn't been said already.

I wonder what became of the Stock Coalition. Many joined, a lot more didn't. If they are serious about what they are doing, January will give them a good momentum again to gain some traction. Their protest has my sympathy, but until now, it seems they didn't realize the impact they were hoping for. 


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Uncle Pete!!  " They do pay us for OD, S&O and EL ".........these are extremely scarce! and 90% goes to Ukraine and Philippine contributors!

Every now and then statements like this pop up: microstock agencies are giving contributors from developing countries, or countries with lower cost of living a ranking boost.
Now, I might have missed it, but until now, I never seen anyone really proving this. Neither have I seen anyone giving a valid reason why agencies would do something like that.
They want to sell licenses, as much as possible, and the only way to optimize that is designing an algorithm that matches relevant content with keywords entered in the search engine.
Physical location of the contributor is completely irrelevant to that.

Maybe we are just seeing a lot more content from contributors from countries with a lower cost of living because ... well it is more profitable for them to engage in microstock?
A 35 dollar payout buys me a pizza in Iceland... or a loaded supermarket shopping cart in let's say Phillipines. (not sure that's completely true, but you get the point)

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Shoot more, worry about ranking less.

Best advice someone can give to you.
Don't worry about profile ranking, if that exists at all, but do worry about your keywording.

And about deleting images I give you an anecdotal fun fact: I had an $$$ sale recently from an image that lingered around for years without ever selling.
Not a bad picture, but not a masterpiece either.

My advice: don't delete, because you never know... Algorithms change and events can trigger a demand in certain kind of images.

EDIT: and to answer the OP's question: BigStock ranks your images via "hotness" which you can see via "commissions -> statistics".
Not worth much, as volume there is pretty low, but as far as I know the only agency that gives you a limited peek into how they rank images (apart from trying to find how far up or down your images are directly via the search engine)

I never saw any indication that profile ranking is kept to influence individual image rankings.

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