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« on: June 21, 2023, 04:38 »
I always remove broken texts unless it is complete artful gibberish or looks like an intentional alien language.
Minimal ethics. One should not be too satisfied to become one of the AI slaves...  And avoid feeling like becoming an AIrtist...
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« on: June 19, 2023, 12:26 »
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« on: June 19, 2023, 12:24 »
Shutterstock seems a total haven for thieves. Shutterstock always suggests similar images or video clips, but somehow can't detect thieves uploading the same images or video clips. They should solve this problem.
They earn the same money, from honest and thieves. They don't care, and spending time to solve this would be a lost of time, i.e. money.
I asked one time long time ago to remove my files sold by thieves, they did nothing at all. They don't care. I understood I had to forget and that it was better to ignore how much times my files were stolen. Because it's very demotivating. And I stopped looking at tineye and google image, because it's a nightmare, so many dishonest people.
I know I loose money, I dont' want to loose my time too. A kind of "Angels' Share" (lol?) and it's difficult to fight against...
Yes, they earn the same money, but there is plenty of 'honest' content and no need to sell stolen stuff. I find it hard to believe that Shutterstock would risk their credibility with customers by not jumping on this quickly when it comes to light.
I'm talking about facts. And you?
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« on: June 19, 2023, 08:25 »
Shutterstock seems a total haven for thieves. Shutterstock always suggests similar images or video clips, but somehow can't detect thieves uploading the same images or video clips. They should solve this problem.
They earn the same money, from honest and thieves. They don't care, and spending time to solve this would be a lost of time, i.e. money. I asked one time long time ago to remove my files sold by thieves, they did nothing at all. They don't care. I understood I had to forget and that it was better to ignore how much times my files were stolen. Because it's very demotivating. And I stopped looking at tineye and google image, because it's a nightmare, so many dishonest people. I know I loose money, I dont' want to loose my time too. A kind of "Angels' Share" (lol?) and it's difficult to fight against...
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« on: June 19, 2023, 05:12 »
So how is it going guys? Is there anyone still trying to submit real photos and can share some insights? I already have another batch of several hundred photos to be added, but I am afraid of getting all of them rejected and wasting my time. Is it still the same as in last couple of weeks?
I do real photogaphy, and I am not used to submit snapshots. So, I stopped submitting my best selected work to Adobe stock for now. Because of the last rejections that prove disrespect and contemp form Adobe.
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« on: June 14, 2023, 13:45 »
The Lobster ist fantastic! I would use this and enjoy all the comments and interactions you can get from using that.
The Lobster is fantas plastic! There are lots and lots of this type of "mistakes of AI"...
AI IS mistake People who take photographs never count the number of fingers, one would have to wonder why this should happen now. getting fired from your job for being mocked on social media
Fantastic then! the opportunity for that person to go back to real organic and true life! 
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« on: June 14, 2023, 13:42 »
The question is (and now we are just at the beginning with AI) if photos, vectors and videos will be replaced by AI or not.
The next question is, if not, are your photos, vectors or videos findable between this garbage?
SVH, everytime you post, I add +1
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« on: June 14, 2023, 11:06 »
Doesn't an agency have some responsibility to weed out this type of "mistaken" content?
In any case, the agency makes no effort to do so. Probably also related to the automation of validation process. As I already said in antother thread, I think it's our relationship to real, natural, logical, truth, beauty, memory, history that is challenged.
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« on: June 14, 2023, 08:43 »
I'm sure it takes certain amount of talent to find and push the "generate" button but to make the debate shorter just take a look of what these people did before their AI content. There's an abyss between before and after
It is funny watching self professed prompt gurus write essays on the Midjourney Discord with incredibly flowery prompts and get results indistinguishable from the next person who uses a couple of words.
As long as you can write a sentence, take a few minutes to look at what other people have used and spend a bit of time learning the basic commands you can tailor results as much as anyone. You can produce results as good as anyone else right away, and tailor the results to whatever style want after an afternoon's practice.
If this wasnt the case it would be a huge failure of Midjourney. The whole point of it is to allow people get results with basic prompts. And lets not forget you can now feed it images and get a descriptive prompt, reverse engineering a prompt to get similar results.
Yes, it's like eating vomit, then vomiting again. Reverse vomiting produces a new vomit  oh sorry for my particular humour which may offend these self-proclaimed artist teleprompters, which before the use of AI only produced visual crap. They now think they are Picasso. It also reminds me of modern music, where the sound produced by the remixed singer voice evokes in me the idea of digital vomit. I think this metaphor is the correct one. It can occur following a massive ingestion, and it arises expeditiously. It is not very appetizing and is particularly repellent. But when the sheeps have nothing but vomit to eat, they won't find it too bad. Imagine the dunce of the class who discovers chatGPT, uses it, proudly declares: "I wrote it myself", and who ends up being convinced of it himself. It's very hard to get rid of vom AIt...
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« on: June 14, 2023, 04:32 »
It takes time before new images emerge from the batch, are visible and therefore purchased, because of the algorithms. But once the inertia is overcome, the huge AI army will inevitably do huge damage to sales.
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« on: June 13, 2023, 07:05 »
Now, the rejections on Adobe get ridiculous. I had two photos of Cartagena (townhall and Roman theatre) rejected because they are too similar to previously submitted photos in my portfolio. I have never been to Cartagena before, so these two are my first photos of Cartagena ever submitted. In my portfolio of 2500 images I have 8 pics of town halls of several cities. Does this rejection reason mean that the townhall of city A is too similar to the townhall of city B? And I am not allowed to submit photos of townhalls of different cities? What worries me, people get their account closed because of similarity. So, when I submit a further townhall from another city I will risk to get my account closed? I dont understand these rejection rules and how a reviewer (AI?) can think the townhall of city A is the same as of city B.
But... rest assured, Adobe is thinking about a mode of compensation for contributors who suffer unfair rejection of their beautiful photos which required so much talent, time and work from them.
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« on: June 13, 2023, 04:11 »
I dont understand Adobe stock strategy Real human artists goodbye or welcome?
They look away from anything that doesn't concern their financial interest, universal business rule.
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« on: June 13, 2023, 02:48 »
Topic: 9 Million+ AI generated photos
10 Millions+ now. This is the end Hold your breath and count to ten Feel the earth move and then Hear my heart burst again For this is the end I've drowned and dreamed this moment So overdue, I owe them Swept away, I'm stolen Let the sky fall, when it crumbles...
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« on: June 12, 2023, 17:21 »
Edit: wanted to add that it's very hard to tell at miniature size so I might have given some (too many) AI photos the benefit of the doubt probably...
Yes, but the stem of a glass, coming out of someones thumb tends to look like AI? Her hand looks like a fist and has a distorted shape. It's not what I'd say is a natural way someone would hold a wine glass. The bubbles if champagne or if that's supposed to be condensation if something else, look artificial.
OK I'll play, but considering the images are too small and I'm not going to waste lot of time looking closer. 7-14-21 are real, the rest are much like AI might produce.
Yes I confess, I am unethical and greedy, I use a digital camera and photoshop my images. 
Customers are not supposed to be people who create images, customers are the ones who choose a photography by seing a thumbnail, that they click then decide to buy. The competition between real photography and AI illustrations that look real takes place from the thumbails. If we do think as a customer, there is no care of what happens at the pixel scale of the photo, in the majority of cases. Of course, it's harder to find out if it's real or AI with thumbnails. But the question is to detect if the images have comparable merchant potentials. My (our) main concern is to assess the competitive aspect (and yes first, we are competitors all here). And I find it hard to believe that in the stock photography industry, traditional photography will be able to survive the AI tsunami. The fight is truly unequal and unethical. But I would be happy to know that others oppose this AI surge, and prefer not to follow this deadly panacea. Since the generation by the AI will completely do without the human, it is the next step, there will be no more intermediary. Even no more ChatGPT professionnal prompters. The stock photography platforms will then be autonomous. I confess, I need money too for a living
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« on: June 12, 2023, 08:59 »
4- AI - shoulder blade looks unreal and the glass stem is unusually long
We could also consider that there exist glasses with unusually long stern. This glass (left) comes from real, and it's not because of AI.  How we do detect that an image is fake is interesting, but how we do detect that an image is true is more subtle. The denial of the real with AI images appears to me the greatest danger. There is a risk of suspecting the natural exception, by standardizing the vision of things from the real world. I think it's our relationship to real, natural, logical, truth, beauty, memory, history that is challenged, more than our relationship to the virtual. Sorry, if I got lost The only concern of most here is to make fast and easy money, ethics is not really fashionable in most areas these days.
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« on: June 12, 2023, 08:58 »
[...] AI is not replacing you "doing" images. You use AI to make your images.
[...] you should give a try and learn the new processes too. After all you use these days more the PC with email/internet and not letters with post riders.
My reason is more ethical than technical. And I can have a relevant opinion on multiple things without even having to try them. But true, the question is doing real photographs instead of AI images, I go change the word in my post. Whatever, you're welcome to participate to the game I proposed, since you come and write here
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« on: June 12, 2023, 07:04 »
Most nights around here occur at night, not during the day. 
But around there, some intelligences spend their full time in the night. Are they AIs? Note: I did NOT generate these pictures.
I DON'T use AI for replacing me doing photographs, and I DON'T want or plan to.
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« on: June 12, 2023, 07:02 »
A day is a twenty-four-hour period, from one midnight to the next. It would be troublesome if European nights did NOT occure each day.
23 hours 56 minutes. There are schools and teachers here where I live
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« on: June 10, 2023, 12:44 »
Added rule: serious participations will get the result in a private message, to keep the suspense going, and make it more interesting for those who take part. Thanks for keeping it for yourself. (Please consider there may be a delay because of european nights that occurs each day)
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« on: June 10, 2023, 05:58 »
Really, this is even more interesting than I imagined. Of course, I have (for the moment) a lead over you and that's not the goal, but you will see later that it is a real source of lessons, especially when you detail the reasons for your choice.
Thank you for your participation and patience, because the more participants there are, the more we will get a clearer idea about the question of AI vs traditionnal photography.
And I can tell you that even knowing behind the scenes, I measure my inability to discern 100% reliably.
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« on: June 09, 2023, 15:52 »
I like you so I will play your game (but it's small pictures to tell from):
Thanks, I like you too. Thx for having played the game, not sure there will ba a lot of success for it. I will wait a little before revealing the answers.
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« on: June 09, 2023, 13:15 »
Here is a structure for the answers. You can copy and paste
1- Reality / AI
2- Reality / AI
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5- Reality / AI
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12- Reality / AI
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« on: June 09, 2023, 13:14 »
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« on: June 09, 2023, 04:49 »
Show Adobe the way to light and truth
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« on: June 08, 2023, 14:05 »
May peace and love fill Adobe's heart
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