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This Uncle Pete HodagMedia guy has been rude to me on Shutterstock forum and here.  I'm not the one who attack somebody first.  I'm only reacting to somebody being rude attacking me.  That MFer only posts meaningless crap.
The amount of attacks I got from other contributors for posting it on Shutterstock was insane.  Those people are turning other cheek to Shutterstock.  Something I wouldn't do.  After what Jon did to us last year reducing our pays instantly, honestly assessing his photos as "suck" was nothing.  He's not an active contributor not dedicated to the art of creating stock photos/videos to pay some bills anymore.  Do any of those people think he's crying because I called his photos "suck"?  Come on man.
I have no problem anybody disagreeing with me, but you and some others do personal attacks against me.  I'm only rude to those who are rude to me making personal attacks.  I never start attacking people first.  I only react to those who attack me.  So, try being nice and respectful even when you disagree with somebody posting on forums.  Learn to be a better person and a productive part of a society.  That's my advice to you HodagMedia.  I've never ridiculed and attacked others first on those forums like you and other useless trolls do.  So, look at yourself in the mirror. 
P.S. Mr. Oringer has a better stock photo portfolio than you do imo.
Bye.

It seems to be that you have relational difficulties with many other people here.
Paranoia often leads to aggression. Take care of yourself, there are professionals for these questions.  ;)
 
You've been rude to me many times, but now playing a victim?   ;D ;D

Rude? many times?  ::) ::) ::) It seems to be there is a lot of confusion among you...
I think I have a capacity for expression that allows me to exchange in another, more civilized mode. The language of sheep is not my favorite, that said.  ;D ;D ;D
Now sorry, I click "ignore", to value my time...

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So far this month in January 2024.  This is sad.  It's on pace for only 1/2 the January 2023 sales.  Shutterstock used to be the King.  Whatever gone wrong there. 
Shutterstock used to pay us $0.38 minimum for subscription sale like Adobe Stock does.  Since they introduced wonderful $0.10 photo sub commission, contributor enthusiasm seem eroded.  Probably Shutterstock nowadays doesn't get as many quality photos or videos as Adobe Stock does.  They still own Pond5 now.  So, they get the best stock videos on Pond5.  But for the photos, Adobe Stock is the King now, no question.  They totally had a wrong approach toward contributors belittling us while Adobe Stock is trying to work with us.  Big mistake.
So, it took 10 years to get 6,500 photos on Adobe Stock, but took only 3 months to add 3,000 AI generated photos on Adobe Stock.  $120 x 3 months Midjourney cost is very well spent.  I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month.  Also, I'm lucky I got 3,000 AI photos accepted before the mass rejection trend started.

Sure, you feel so sorry you can't flood SS with tons of AI images you get from Midjourney? since you are one of the human tools of it.
You know what, Well, that's sounds perfect to me!  :D

They do a "Big mistake"?, hem, maybe you actually do also, who knows... future will say it  ;)

You sound like a bitter old man.  Cheer up!!  😂😂

AMAZING!!!! You INSULTED ME HERE by calling me a MOFO, a Mother Fucker.  >:( >:( >:(
I reported this to the moderator.
Surprising that your message has changed, but no mention of Last Edit.  ???
So it was not you who rewrote this message, but surely a moderator.
So, people can freely insult others here, with no much consequence. Has the "rewriting" be made by the moderator? Wow, Disastrous what this community is becoming

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Income from AI Generative stock
« on: January 30, 2024, 16:05 »
Oh ok, now, thanks to you, I feel like a millionaire!  ;D
as a traditional photographer, of course.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Income from AI Generative stock
« on: January 30, 2024, 14:41 »
Same here. Earning currently 10 USD / month with a port of approx. 500 images (ok, just only approx 40 to 50 various topics).

Wow :o :o :o Hem, why not go to the street, hold out your hand for an hour, and you will have at least the same amount.
Are you a child living with your parents? Are you doing this to keep yourself busy?

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So far this month in January 2024.  This is sad.  It's on pace for only 1/2 the January 2023 sales.  Shutterstock used to be the King.  Whatever gone wrong there. 
Shutterstock used to pay us $0.38 minimum for subscription sale like Adobe Stock does.  Since they introduced wonderful $0.10 photo sub commission, contributor enthusiasm seem eroded.  Probably Shutterstock nowadays doesn't get as many quality photos or videos as Adobe Stock does.  They still own Pond5 now.  So, they get the best stock videos on Pond5.  But for the photos, Adobe Stock is the King now, no question.  They totally had a wrong approach toward contributors belittling us while Adobe Stock is trying to work with us.  Big mistake.
So, it took 10 years to get 6,500 photos on Adobe Stock, but took only 3 months to add 3,000 AI generated photos on Adobe Stock.  $120 x 3 months Midjourney cost is very well spent.  I'll make way more than $120 in AI photo sales this month.  Also, I'm lucky I got 3,000 AI photos accepted before the mass rejection trend started.

Sure, you feel so sorry you can't flood SS with tons of AI images you get from Midjourney? since you are one of the human tools of it.
You know what, Well, that's sounds perfect to me!  :D

They do a "Big mistake"?, hem, maybe you actually do also, who knows... future will say it  ;)

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Little awake. Has this forum definitely become the place for AI fans? more than for traditional photographers?

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If not happy be mature, stop complainning and quit the place.

As soon as you give me a good alternative how to earn my livelihood I will do that. So far no one was able to and who would quit their job without having an alternative?

We share the same goal, earn a livelihood. And I revised my expectations significantly downwards.
Realize that you kill yourself your own future (and other's) using AI. See you in a near future with more complaints, since I've got ideas about what this leads to, since AI will be soon autonomic. Of course, one could argue that if you don't do it yourself, others will do (Only sheep expect others to act like sheep too) However, I remain convinced that I made the right choice not to provide ANY AI generated fake photo IMAGE (Because yes, they are not photographs, even though the platforms sell them as such).
 
My portfolios are in no way polluted by these images and they will perhaps be spared during the big clean-up (who will come in his time, whether by deleting certain contributor accounts or by the eviction of their images by algorithms, which will lead to the same), since for me, a photograph is a subject (often living), a real place, an existing moment, even the memory of an event, the transmission for the future, the reflection of the organic, a skill resulting from long training, a subtle and sensitive testimony, unsuspected creativity, a personal visual interpretation of reality, but also imperfection, accident, unpredictable, and therefore charm.
 
Is this really the tool you want to use to secure your future????


 I was under the impression this was a thread about Shutterstock and I am pretty sure I specifically talked about my Shutterstock earnings. Shutterstock does not even accept AI images.

So what in the world are you talking about...?

Omg, it's so low level here.
In any case, you did not respond to my message with anything intelligent, that would have surprised me.
Reread the topic, where is written "Adobe Stock" too... yes, the impression -you were under- was fake, as fake as the images you make the machines make by using AI.
 
Forget, have a lovely day, explore your keyboard typing your prompts, I will continue to enjoy exploring and promoting reality by using my eyes.  :D

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If not happy be mature, stop complainning and quit the place.

As soon as you give me a good alternative how to earn my livelihood I will do that. So far no one was able to and who would quit their job without having an alternative?

We share the same goal, earn a livelihood. And I revised my expectations significantly downwards.
Realize that you kill yourself your own future (and other's) using AI. See you in a near future with more complaints, since I've got ideas about what this leads to, since AI will be soon autonomic. Of course, one could argue that if you don't do it yourself, others will do (Only sheep expect others to act like sheep too) However, I remain convinced that I made the right choice not to provide ANY AI generated fake photo IMAGE (Because yes, they are not photographs, even though the platforms sell them as such).
 
My portfolios are in no way polluted by these images and they will perhaps be spared during the big clean-up (who will come in his time, whether by deleting certain contributor accounts or by the eviction of their images by algorithms, which will lead to the same), since for me, a photograph is a subject (often living), a real place, an existing moment, even the memory of an event, the transmission for the future, the reflection of the organic, a skill resulting from long training, a subtle and sensitive testimony, unsuspected creativity, a personal visual interpretation of reality, but also imperfection, accident, unpredictable, and therefore charm.
 
Is this really the tool you want to use to secure your future????

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I am from Europe. My sales numbers are steady, but revenue has dropped significantly. I think the most noticable change is that while most of my sales used to be subscriptions in the past, now I have way more "Single & Other" sales. And these used to be  good sales, but now they are usually mostly 0.10-0.17$, so they just don't bring any significant amount of money anymore.
I think SS has added some new plans for customers that aren't subscription plans, but earn us even less than subscriptions.


Also - I have not seen anyone mention this, so am I the only one? Shutterstock has been extremely laggy and slow for me for months now. It takes very long to load my dashboard and my catalogue manager is the worst, sometimes it takes up to 5 minutes for it to load, but most of the time it will not load at all and I have to refresh and wait another 5 minutes. It is super annoying. We have 2024, how is it still acceptable to wait for 5 minutes for a website to load? I do not know whether the problems also occur on the customers' end, but if it does I know it would be something to drive me away from a website if I was a customer.

If not happy be mature, stop complainning and quit the place. You will soon be able to go prompting the machines for cooking hamburgers at McD  ;D

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Adobe Stock / Re: I can't find my approved images on Adobestock
« on: January 28, 2024, 03:10 »
Many users complained in the past that the search results are completely different depending on the region you use to access the AS site...
Are these the same people who complain about the rejection of their artificial automatic "creations"?
Why not be satisfied, since it might make sense here, that previously unseen images can finally sell. That algorithms are not inclined to always return the eternal best sellers may be good news. And I know what I'm talking about because I have many images that stand out at the top of hundreds of thousands on different themes, for many years. But my best images are recent, and have difficulties emerging from the millions of dung that make them invisible.

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Each year (for the last 7 years) I conducted a survey under my Facebook followers and asked them what 10 stock agencies gained them the most money in the previous year.

If you want to participate, please answer directly in my facebook post here:
[url]https://www.facebook.com/fotoproduzent/posts/pfbid02zqdMHyC661xGNrZeQqxZteatYjfMbFcoRgxLFexagFMJW9rvjdCdVFBAVQdnvAel]https://www.facebook.com/fotoproduzent/posts/pfbid02zqdMHyC661xGNrZeQqxZteatYjfMbFcoRgxLFexagFMJW9rvjdCdVFBAVQdnvAel]
[url]https://www.facebook.com/fotoproduzent/posts/pfbid02zqdMHyC661xGNrZeQqxZteatYjfMbFcoRgxLFexagFMJW9rvjdCdVFBAVQdnvAel
[/url]

Just list your 10 best earning stock agencies from high to low.
If you contribute to less then 10, just answer with less.

If you are exclusive with one agency, list that agency and state that you are exclusive.

As usual I will post the combined results in a separate blog post in my blog. I will link to it here as well.

Many thanks in advance,
Robert

The "most money" has always a cost...
Not sure you will enjoy your future the same way you enjoy using and promoting AI tools.  ::)

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Hello.
- You can consider that the majority of the users of this forum are fans of AI. They may not really be sensitive to these issues. I even think that they wouldn't be put off doing the same, in secret of course ;)
- For my part, I now prefer to ignore the way in which I am (highly) robbed, too much energy, too much time, and stock sites that don't care much because: It doesn't matter who uploads and how the image is produced, they collect royalties in any situation. And they have less possibility to detect fraudsters anymore, and fraud is massive.
- I Know myself that no idea is really owned. And since the AI machinery is fed by anyone's properties, our images photos are now very relatively our exclusive property. New world of stock imagery.

But... did you generate your images with AI yourself? (it seems to be). If the case, you don't own any copyright and you should not even complain.  ::)

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A few days ago, 100% of my photos accepted. Today, one more time, 100% acceptation...
Really, it's soooo boring.   ;D ;D ;D
I've got no reason to complain for... 18 Years! (since Fotolia of course)
Hem, guess to understand why...  ??? Rejections were the best way for learning. I know, it's Ok Boomer attitude.

I don't submit the 100ks photos that I took, but my best work. Hey!!!!! try-it!!!
Of course, no use of AI, thanks, I want to be the one who has capacities, not the machine!

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Dreamstime Website Seems Broken
« on: January 19, 2024, 04:43 »
Here you will see your accepted files before they appear in your portfolio:
https://www.dreamstime.com/account/online-files

I already know that. I'm on DT since 2012.

Since 2006 myself, dear friend. My images are each time instantly validated each time I upload.
If you know it all, why having created this post?
$30 a year after 12 years there?  :o :o I understand why you consider that generating AI images is the only solution for you.
Another solution would be to progress in skill to provide something other than pointless snapshots, that is my chosen path during many years.

[edit]: And you wonder why images processing takes so long?
They are very busy, dealing with all the AI crap sent en masse by tons of incompetent lazy people who have become prompter artists.

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Dreamstime.com / Re: Dreamstime Website Seems Broken
« on: January 18, 2024, 13:46 »
Here you will see your accepted files before they appear in your portfolio:
https://www.dreamstime.com/account/online-files

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Adobe Stock / Re: How have your sales been this week?
« on: January 18, 2024, 05:42 »
Something very odd for me.

90% of my sales for 2024 were from the 1st to the 14th of January. Now I am down to very few sales for this week. These were not Christmas sales.

Has anyone else experienced this change in downloads this week?

1st to the 14th of January: 14 full days
15 to beginning 18 of January: 3 full days
1st to the 14th of January: 14/17*100= 82.35%

Ok, you did 90% of sales for 82.35% of time. Very odd for you?  ???
Very usefull topic...  ::)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: January 17, 2024, 07:01 »
...I tend to take photos that aren't represented very well.

Good photos are already well represented, and that's what I try to do.  ;)
For my part, in 18 years, I have never complained about rejections, especially at Adobe. I just silently reacted by trying to progress and perfect my skills.
100% acceptance for my last batch at Adobe, I must clarify that I do not use and will never use AI to replace my photographic work. I know and I'm waiting for Adobe to clean up its contributors, that will come. Its inevitable, simple law of supply and demand. And the complaints will rain...

You misunderstand - certain subjects aren't represented very well. Good photos obviously are. But if you are perfecting your craft to get better then it can only benefit you. If you are perfecting your craft to provide better quality to Adobe you are literally wasting your time. Rarely are these images appearing on gallery walls and selling for hundreds. And with the inclusion of A.I. imagery your appeal will be diluted among them.

Fast and dirty is the way it's going with a stack it high and sell it cheap business plan. And you know that because that's happening at all of the agencies. So quality isn't gonna get you sales like it did. Subject matter will.

I agree with you A.I. isn't photography its paint by numbers using someone else's hands and paints and fooling yourself that you've created a masterpiece. I won't be using it because I enjoy what I do. I've been doing it a long time and it's my one love. But I won't continue to submit regularly to a system that is flawed when previously, when I lacked the skill and equipment I do now, I managed better approval rates and still do with other agencies. I'm not great but I'm ok at the basics.

I understood you perfectly, but you misunderstand me. The second degree brings subtlety to the exchanges, but you still need to be able to access it.
Sorry, but YOU were the one who was literally wasting your time by submitting a photo that won an award, since it was not accepted...  ;) 

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: January 17, 2024, 05:52 »
...I tend to take photos that aren't represented very well.

Good photos are already well represented, and that's what I try to do.  ;)
For my part, in 18 years, I have never complained about rejections, especially at Adobe. I just silently reacted by trying to progress and perfect my skills.
100% acceptance for my last batch at Adobe, I must clarify that I do not use and will never use AI to replace my photographic work. I know and I'm waiting for Adobe to clean up its contributors, that will come. Its inevitable, simple law of supply and demand. And the complaints will rain...

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: January 16, 2024, 16:57 »
Just over half of submitted pictures rejected for "quality issues."

Another chunk for Shutterstock then which took all of the last lot after rejection by adobe. One of which has become my new best seller. One of which has won a prize and several of the others have sold a few times.

The quality issue is Adobe.

Don't hesitate to post here the picture (Ai? real photo?) which has won a prize and was rejected by Adobe. No doubt, you will not.
Shutterstock takes EVERYTHING

hahahahaha Adobe are no different. What a pathetic response.

And no I won't stupidly post the photo here so it can be copied and nor will I post the photos that are doing well despite adobe's rejection.

But I'm sure you'll post a photo of your best sellers here to show your confidence in the whole process.

We wait with baited breath 🙄

huh just found another adobe rejection that's a book cover. At least Shutterstock sell even if it's for peanuts it's some peanuts.

Pathetic ? you should calm down your ardor a little. I wanted to suggest that you prove that Adobe's rejection was not legitimate.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Review time
« on: January 16, 2024, 05:13 »
Just over half of submitted pictures rejected for "quality issues."

Another chunk for Shutterstock then which took all of the last lot after rejection by adobe. One of which has become my new best seller. One of which has won a prize and several of the others have sold a few times.

The quality issue is Adobe.

Don't hesitate to post here the picture (Ai? real photo?) which has won a prize and was rejected by Adobe. No doubt, you will not.
Shutterstock takes EVERYTHING

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Vecteezy, the new Eldorado?
« on: January 10, 2024, 07:04 »
Be sure that if you look for alcohol drink instead of coffee to forget the state of this industry, there is no risk to get drunk  ;D

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General Stock Discussion / Vecteezy, the new Eldorado?
« on: January 10, 2024, 05:58 »
"In our Free program, we use the pay-per-download model, where you earn $5.00 per 1,000 downloads for vectors and photos, and $10.00 per 1,000 downloads for video. This program allows you to maximize your download volume. Learn more about the pay-per-download Free program. We're currently accepting Free program applications for vector, video and photo contributors."

Images sold given for 0.005$, videos for 0.010$...  ???  ::) wow, it stings, it stinks...
they advertise here, right on the forum (Sponsors)

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I've hit a bit of a snag with my AI-generated content. Lately, about 75% of my stuff is getting the thumbs down, even though I'm using the same tools and upscaler as always. I get that Adobestock is all about top-notch images, and that's 100% the way is SHOULD be. But this sudden drop in acceptance in 2024 feels like a seismic change.  Something's definitely up.

Maybe it's something with DALL-E or Topaz Photo AI, or maybe Adobestock have changed their game. It would be super helpful to get the lowdown on this. Knowing what's going on would let me tweak my process and set my expectations right for what Adobestock is looking for now.

Why not consider that the people who are looking for something are above all the customers? they are the ones who pay... ::)
And many customers don't want AI generated stuff.
Be sure Adobe is starting to know this.

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Did you read the bottom of the post?
Did you read the topic you wrote for this post?:
AI Generated images on Adobestock-Is it all down to the individual reviewing?

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