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Hi Niserin,
Sales on SS have been down a bit recently, everyone noticed that. People blame the economy, too many images, subscriptions... maybe it's just Shutterstock's marketing problems, who knows. Agencies rise and fall, I've been surprised recently with what I thought were hopeless sites starting having sales, and promising sites just closing their doors out of the blue.
I do think there is still enough market out there to support our living:)
Elena.

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General Macrostock / Re: Accepted at Getty
« on: January 20, 2009, 14:49 »
yup i heard about that before - i think there is even a law suit against Getty for selling images for such low prices (RM ones I think). I think it happens when a buyer gets a large number of images at once, kinda volume deal, similar to subscription model. Still, wouldn't that sale allow you to upload one more image?

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General Macrostock / Re: Accepted at Getty
« on: January 20, 2009, 13:20 »
thanks to all again:) I was also confused about the size of the images for test submission, so what I did just set up a page off my webpage (www.elenaphoto.com) where I posted 40 web-size images that are not currently selling anywhere, and sent that link. It looks like they don't examine the technical quality of your photos from the test submission, just the creative quality.

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123RF / Re: 123RF payouts delayed until end of month
« on: January 15, 2009, 11:09 »
Aww! I got that email too instead of a payment! I thought noone's getting paid but looks like it's selected few that have to wait till end of the month. Not cool....

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General Macrostock / Re: Accepted at Getty
« on: January 14, 2009, 17:51 »
Thank you everyone, I'll keep you posted:)

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General Macrostock / Re: Accepted at Getty
« on: January 14, 2009, 15:08 »
Elena, after looking at your images, I cant imagine that you wouldn't do great at Getty. Your stuff is much better than what I have produced so far so definitely go for it.

Thank you for your kind words:) Will try it out, hope I'll have some statistics to post at the end of this year.

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No I don't have vectors in my portfolio, only photos. What sold as Fotosearch regular were some people and food shots.

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General Macrostock / Re: Accepted at Getty
« on: January 14, 2009, 12:37 »
Thank you very much again stock shooter. About 10 for for free - this is what their email seems to be saying, I don't have any official links to that info. Maybe they just changed their policy (I remember looking this up a while ago and it was 10 for 250 deal). We'll see if this really works:)

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General Macrostock / Re: Accepted at Getty
« on: January 14, 2009, 12:13 »
One more question - these 19 images - what subject they are? (if you don't mind my asking)
Thanks,
Elena.

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General Macrostock / Re: Accepted at Getty
« on: January 14, 2009, 12:09 »
Thanks a lot stock shooter, this is very helpful. It looks like now I can submit initial 10 for free, so I should try this out.

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I have been having 20-25 dollar sales from Fotosearch every few days, plus some subscriptions - I am quite happy with this. Way to go Canstock:) 

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General Macrostock / Accepted at Getty
« on: January 14, 2009, 11:18 »
About a month ago I sent test submission to Getty and today got a reply. What I am offered is "Photographer's Choice Placement Fee Collections", which basically means you have to pay 50 dollars per image placement fee, before any possible earnings. Is it even worth trying out? With prices going down and sales being slow, will I ever see my 50 bucks per image back? Anyone has experience with this?
All comments are welcome,
Elena.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: how do you measure your success ?
« on: January 04, 2009, 00:32 »
I would love to be able to work on one photo for 4 days at a time but it's tough to get that plan to function financially. :D

Oh I would love to be able to do that so much:) Sometimes I do get carried away and spend way more time on an image that's financially reasonable - but those are also times when I learn, and that's priceless:)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: how do you measure your success ?
« on: January 03, 2009, 19:29 »
I felt successful when I was able to leave my corporate job and do this full-time, which was about a year ago. I feel successful when I get good acceptance rate on a batch or when I add a very good seller to my portfolio. I expected my returns to grow better than they turned out to be in 2008, but there was still growth, so it can be called a successful year. I have done absolutely NOTHING over the holidays, didn't even take my camera out - it's the first couple of weeks in 3 years that I have allowed myself to take time off. I was feeling pretty burned out too! I do feel much better now and hope to increase my downloads per image ratio - that would be a measure of success for me at this point. 

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Elenathewise!

Good thinking! leave the shots as they are and let them earn you a few bucks. Uploading is ofcourse a total waste of time ( dont think I have to mention that).
Acting in anger and temper is no solution here because for some weird reason, that might be exactly what Getty wants, in order to keep their exclusives at least somewhat happy.
There are Oceans, tons of buyers out there, IS is just one little outlet.

best  Christian

Agreed:)

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I am confused. If I had your calibre as a stock photographer.
I would not put up with all this crappola, and pull out every single one of my images from IStock.
That would be devastating to Istock, Getty or no Getty.

600+ DL / day is what is preventing him to do so.

Actually we should all (non-exclusives) pull are entire portfolios.  I'm sure IS wouldn't like that.  But why aren't we doing that ?? -> $$$$$$

Perrush, thx. money talks ! loud and clear. toe the line and fawn. i guess that's it.
like the lyrics to a Jethro TUll song, "they've got you by the b#lls!" ;)

Well with things going like they are I don't think any of us would be really affected money-wise if we pulled our portfolios from Istock. For me right now it's 10% of my income, and getting smaller! So if they really piss me off enough, I'll do it. It's not going to affect much my income at all. However, me pulling stuff off the site is not going to affect them too! Funny thing buyers don't buy the very best image the library has, but the one that pops on the first few pages of the search. I just had that with Fotolia - they f**k around with their search mechanism too, and I have this image of three red gift boxes that I hate - it was taken 3 years ago when I had Canon Powershot G2 and didn't know what I was doing. It keeps selling like crazy, although there are hundreds of much better pictures of the same subject. So i increased the price just for fun, to 2 credits for XS and 125 for EL. Guess what - after that it has sold 6 times a day PLUS EL.
So the point I am trying to make - Istock will be still fine without us (unfortunately) as long as they manage to bring sufficient number of customers to the site, and clients will be buying stuff that somehow correspond to their needs and easy to find. It would take a mass exodus of micro photographers from Istock to actually hurt them, but then again, with things going the way they are we may just see that...


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Hi Lagereek,

 Just to start off I want to say I really enjoy your posts. They are very informative and I feel show a great deal of depth to your understanding and knowledge of this industry. A true pleasure to read.
 I know this industry isn't what it was even two years ago but Getty still controls the major portion of the stock market by a huge margin. That is still a pretty big shadow. I would like to see the market separated up as much as possible. I think that would give photographers a more secure future with greater options. Let's hope that occurs. I have the feeling it won't in the near future.

Best,
AVAVA

I agree - I enjoy the posts of Lagereek as well. I suspect Getty is doing what Microsoft did in it's time - buy off the viable competitors and either incorporate them or quietly put the pillow over their faces. I used to work for IBM and they did the same thing. It's a common corporate strategy.
And yes AVAVA I agree with you as well - I don't see them (Getty) giving up their position any time soon. Didn't they just buy Jupiter? And Stockxpert as a part of it as well?
With Istock, it's either "let's kill it slowly" position, or (which is oh so common in corporate environment) just plain stupidity. Both are viable versions. It just might be that people who were put in charge of Istock have no clue whatsoever about micro's specifics and the way micros work. Looks like they are trying to apply their macro policies to Istock, which is totally ridiculous. Sad, but again - not unheard of in corporations. That's why I still can't bring myself to shooting "business corporate" stuff - I know that inside out, and it stinks!:)
Scarred for life,
Elena:)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: RM licensing - a few questions
« on: November 30, 2008, 13:51 »
Cool thanks - will take a look!

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General Stock Discussion / Re: RM licensing - a few questions
« on: November 30, 2008, 13:39 »
Ok that makes sense - thanks. What's RR image?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: RM licensing - a few questions
« on: November 30, 2008, 11:52 »
Thanks - that helps a lot. When I am expected to produce the purchase history for an image - is this on individual image/customer basis?

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General Stock Discussion / RM licensing - a few questions
« on: November 30, 2008, 00:09 »
Can someone please help me with this.
I have realized that I am a bit confused about RM licensing. So it stands for "Rights Managed". However it doesn't have to be exclusive. So let's say I sell RM with one agency. Since it doesn't have to be exclusive, I can sell the same RM images on another agency, right? As long as they are RM, not RF.
But then how do people manage the situation when an image is sold with certain rights on one agency - do you have to notify another agency? Does agency manage the rights or the photographer?
And what's the point of RM if it's not exclusive? Or is it exclusive to certain industry?
Would appreciate if someone could clarify this for me.
Thanks in advance,
Elena.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: A day shooting Micro
« on: November 24, 2008, 22:47 »
WOW:)
Love the photos from the shoot. The lighting in beautiful.
Timelapse was fun to watch - looks like very efficient use of studio time, too.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: New Exclusivity Bonus Estimator
« on: November 06, 2008, 11:04 »
hehehe - too funny:) I liked that very much.
On a serious note though if anyone took Istock to court for discrimination of non-exclusive photographers (like RM photogs did with Getty for ridiculous pricing), I'd definitely join.
I mean, how can you justify commercially that you have to push non-exclusive content down in search engine ranking? Does every Istock customer want only exclusive content??? What's wrong with adding "search exclusive images only" to the search options instead of making it mandatory?
And sorting by relevance by default?
Istock's recent policies defy all common sense. Sure, promote your exclusive content, encourage people to go exclusive by offering them higher payouts, but why they are pushishing non-exclusive contributors??? For earning them money? With 80% of profits going to them??
Somebody please do something about this insanity....

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Getty getting sued by photographers
« on: November 04, 2008, 12:52 »
right,  it doesn't necessarily mean exclusive, I should have phrased it better. However, the fact remains - you do have to track the usage, let's say the image is bought for a book cover, they would want to make sure another book won't come out with the same cover (that's why I said - certain industry). And they do state in the article above that RM payments have been as low as 2.08.
I personally saw complaints on some forums that people would get 20 dollars for a 5 year book deal on RM image just because it's a "high volume customer". High volume means good for the agency, but NOT for the photographer, because all he did was sold his book cover RM image for 20 bucks (for 5 years!).
Now with RF it's totally different story since you can sell it as many times as you want, EL or some other "L" - it's still RF.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Getty getting sued by photographers
« on: November 04, 2008, 11:45 »
Wow - sometimes I wonder what's in their heads... (Getty management). RM was always priced higher than RF since the customer would pay for exclusive rights to use the image in certain industry for a certain time - like a year for example. Now imagine you got 2 dollars for that RM use, which means the image is basically locked for entire year. That's all you get from that image for entire year! Managing rights also means you have to keep track of which images used where and for how long - which is also an overhead. And this is all for as low as 2 dollars!
Boy, if I was in RM business with Getty, I'd definitely join the suit.  Prices do drop with advancing technology, but this is plain ridiculous.

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