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Tried it with my own files to check how my images are described and what those prompts then create. Thankfully the resulting files were very different. Same genre but not copies.

I also test my image descriptions and titles to see if they create duplicates then modify my titles to be more generic if the results are too close.

I keep browsing their public explore gallery for interesting prompts, then modify them for my own purposes. I never go for copies, I always want the style and vibe for something very different, often a different genre altogether.

But there is a lot to learn about lighting, mood, composition directions. The more specific, the better the results. My descriptions are becoming longer and longer.

eta

now dropped to 5180

that is a low I have not seen in a very long time


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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone on RobertHarding?
« on: April 07, 2024, 03:52 »
I don't quite understand why you applied if you don't want to work with a distributor. Seems like a waste of time for both them and you.

Also all agencies also distribute via partners, including many api integrations. All my video content on vimeo comes from pond5 etc...istock/getty sends my content for fractions of pennies to connect partners...Even stocksy distributes via Adobe premium.

If you want full control, then perhaps selling from your own site is the best solution.

Best of luck with your journey.


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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone on RobertHarding?
« on: April 06, 2024, 23:49 »
Blackbox has a gigantic community wih people regularly posting their income. Makes it very easy to see that serious uploaders are slowly getting into fulltime income territory with thousands of dollars a month.

Does Robert Harding have a huge, active contributor community with thousands of people?


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I think it was the really slow week of both easter and spring break that got me on the list. Yes i had sales for Easter, but not as much as I had hoped. If that was enough to put me on the list, then it must have been really slow.

I am experimenting a lot with illustrations. Seeing a port with mostly flower oil pointings get on the list, means I should also upload all the things I just did for myself, but didn't bother uploading. Who would buy flower paintings? But apparently many people do.

It will take at least 3 years and 3k illustrations to get a better understanding for that market.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Anyone on RobertHarding?
« on: April 06, 2024, 15:48 »
Why don't you ask Robert Harding for guidance what they would ike to have from what you can provide? If they are a smaller agency, you might benefit from direct contact with the team.

Congrats on being accepted.

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Well, now I am down to 4020. But...it might be much worse without being featured. So I am still honored to be on the list.

Also not really worried about copycats, because i still have no clue what really sells in illustrations.

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It creates models from the stolen material.

That is what I mean. They have created some people avatars that will give good quality and which is why so many of us get the exact same faces.

Getting a new face is not so easy.

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I disagree on being featured as useless. When I was featured during the christmas season, the week I was on that list I had a push of nearly 40% more sales compared to the week before.

So please Adobe, keep featuring me.

However this week I dropped down drastically inspite of being featured, I attribute this to not having enough interesting content for the next 3 months. But without being featured, perhaps it would have been a lot worse?

I am new to illustrations, so this means I am doing something right.

As my portfolio grows, the chances of getting featured drops.

Seems like a good system overall.

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There are some really interesting ports on that illustration list.

Absolutely love this one

https://stock.adobe.com/de/contributor/207065927/Oleksii

I have been experimenting with oil painting style, but mine never get a good uptake. But i havent ujploaded a lot of flowers, perhaps I should just go for it.

The list also always has new ports with just over 1000 downloads, sometimes the ports are quite small.

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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files

hi! If these are your numbers then how did you manage to make into Recent top sellers for this week in the Illustrations section?  :o I don't get it

Thank you for pointing that out, I had no idea!

i briefly made it to around 1740, and I had uploaded a lot of easter spring illustrations in the weeks before. They got some good uptake on the easter week-end itself, but it has all dropped drastically now.

There will be many people with more sales than me, but probably the ratio for the content uploaded in the last few weeks to sales was probably better in my case.

The bestseller list is not a list of people with a total number of bestselling content, then we would see the same portfolios every week.

This is a great surprise, hopefully I will pick up some longterm customers. Although now sales of illustrations have crashed.

@minsc

I agree on careful manual keywording. I do it myself and try very hard to order them correctly. But you are obviously also uploading great content.

It does take time for files to move up into good positions, sometimes years to finally have a file on the first 3 pages of a keyword search.

But the slow uptake is a good thing, it makes it more difficult for the copycats.

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I think the ai companies created a batch of high quality people as basic avatars and if you want something different you have to be very specific.

It is the only explanation that makes sense to me why thousands of people keep generating the exact same faces.

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So, back down in the real world.

pos 3450, 4300 files


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10k over all agencies, sorry. Most of the sales were on istock. It is an old files with now endless copies.

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I am still in the early stages of learning about midjourney. While you cannot get a series with a specific model you can get a theme of files with similar vibe, colors, lighting.

Midjourney people files still need a lot processing, I get a lot of great looking files, then on close up discover all kinds of issues with broken teeth, weird fingers growing out of a neck, strange details on clothes. The experssions are better than on stable, but far from perfect.

But the biggest challenge is to get faces that not everybody has. It feels like Mj just has 10 faces to choose from for a given age and ethnic type.

I am also trying to do more with Adobe and next week I have my first real shooting with a camera again.

But like I said before, the main focus for this year will be ai illustrations and to learn what I can offer that people will then like to buy. Every illustration sale, is a sale I would not have had otherwise.

They are selling very, very slowly, even the holiday files sell slow. But I believe it will pay off eventually, once the initial files have laid their roots across the algos, which will probably take 3 years.

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I have read several times here about "bestsellers". Now I'm curious as to what a "bestseller" at AS actually is.
500 downloads? 1,000 downloads? 2,500 downloads? 5,000 downloads? Or even more?

I have one file with over 10k lifetime sales.

But I would consider a file that sells at least 2-3 times a week to be a reliable bestseller, or around 100 sales a year.

The ideal bestsellers is something that gets sales nearly every day.

I do have seasonal bestsellers that can sell 5-10 a day in the season, but then die off quickly when the event is over. And that is usually just for 1-2 weeks very close to the holiday event.

But the most important - can the bestseller lead to more sales of the series? Then the file becomes really valuable.

It is the download of a complete series or at least 3 files at the same time that makes a real bestseller for me.

A lead file that can entice customers to look what else I have on the subject.



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Well, it will be interesting to hear how you fare with several ports.

You have to overcome the upload limits, then gradually rise in rank to over 10 000 again.

I cannot produce enough content for that, but luck with. your project.

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Never heard of people having multiple accounts for different content types, not sure if that is even allowed on Adobe. I am only aware to open a new account when you are over 1 million files or an account for a special media group - only video, only ai

It would be crazy difficult to reach a good ranking with several portfolios, each has to work itself up by itself?!

I would never be able to create enough content.

I have no intention of spamming Adobe, I usually upload around 50 files a week, trying very hard to increase that.

There is no chance of me having 30k files on Adobe in 2 years.

But for a full time living from ONLY Adobe I would probably need 30k files.

But there are other agencies and other media types.

So to reach a full time income over 3-4 years is certainly possible with the right content.

But not only ai and certainly not only Adobe.

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I have seen a lot of these images on midjourney, but not sure if they were all from the same creator.

That is the thing with ai, if it is easy to find on midjourney, there might be thousands of people doing the exact same thing.

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Top 100 weekly, top 100 lifetime, less than 10k.

Congratulations on your hard work!!!

No need to share details, I think it is already very helpful to know that such a position can indeed be reached by a single artist.

I always thought the top 100 was for large studio/team producers only. The only person I know in that level started out as a single artist but had progressed to working more as an art director and has people working for him, some full time, some on work for hire basis.

I do believe in sharing helpful information with peers and it can be done without reveailing best selling content.

Plus the algos make copying sometimes harder than people think. I know many producers who did a ton of seasonal content with ai, but get few sales, while my christmas season was quite good. But I have really, really old files that have probably accumulated in many galeries over the 10 years I didnt upload and these are the ones that started bringing in the money again. The ai stuff also sold, but less than old files revived.

For me I see it with my ai people, while they are slowly starting to sell, if I just do carrots on white background I will have better sales with that.

And if I do that with my camera, the carrots can go everywhere.

However, if I am consistent with my ai people uploads, then I am sure in 3-4 years they will also get good sales, like anything isolated or my greeting cards.

Same for illustrations. It is a new medium for me, there is ZERO algo track record. I have uploaded a lot of seasonal illustrations but sales are very, very slow. And sometimes very unexpected, I am actually having artsy files sell. Done in watercolor or oil painting style.

So my first 3000 illustrations will be test subjects, trying many different niches and many, many different art styles.

Then gradually the customers will tell me what they like and I will make more of that.

But if I ever wanted to got for the top 100, I would certainly need 30k plus files.

I do a lot of research, but wouldnt know how to do that with less than 10k even if I could identify 10k top selling concepts. Gallery uptake by clients is a very slow process. Having instant best sellers is very rare for me.

There is also the time factor, I want to grow my income over the next 2-3 years, not over 20.

Roughly 60% of what i upload is still experimental, with ai even higher, because I am testing a lot of new things.

Thank you to anyone in top levels sharing ranks and port sizes.

For newbies it should help them understand that stock needs a ton of research and is not a slot machine where you throw random files in and money comes out.

The money is related to usefulness for clients not overall random content port size.



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On my way back down

pos 2240


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That is really amazing.

I hope you make it into the top 100!

eta

my jouney will use ai. I am beginning to understand the appeal of midjourney, especially for people, not yet for illustrations

now i need to learn how to generate fresh faces, getting the same models as everyone else

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But a lot of people did stop uploading ro are uploading a lot less to SS. They are getting less than 50% of content that they used to get. With video the drop is even steeper, although that might be balanced by the exclusive content on pond5.

They have also lost their stock groth and are only talking about how much money they want to do with ai.

Adobe seems to be getting the best content at the money and they are showing a very strong surge in sales.

Basically SS transferred a lot of producers to. Adobe and they took their clients with them.

However, if SS reopened their forums, came up with a much more sensible royalty plan, they could easily win back the producers that left.

Eventually it will happen, but it might take a few more years. At the moment they are having phenomenal earnings and growth with ai.

So who cares about the basics?

And maybe they are right, perhaps with ai they can create anything they need and longterm can live without new producers.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Adobe Stock Search Webinar
« on: April 01, 2024, 10:52 »
Bookmarked!

Thank you Mat.

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Whow, very impressive!!!

Single artist, or team production/family if I may ask?

Congratulations on all the hard work.

I find it encouraging that many people have good rankings as a single artist.

Gives me hope I can still rebuild a full time income from stock.

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: Selling on Fine Art America
« on: April 01, 2024, 03:44 »
maybe you can use it as inspiration, i dont know.

just ask yourself - would it look good on my wall?

but faa takes a lot of fan art , marylin monroe, elvis, superhero characters. have a look around, there is a lot you cab do that is not possible for agencies.

so far I have not been able to find my files in a search

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