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I got the e-mail that pretty well everyone else here did,

Hmmm. So most everybody here has gotten that email?

Is there nobody (other than me) who uploaded images but hasn't gotten it?

uploaded 20 images - received no email

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Ive been uploading for about 6 months, have 342 images there and made around 8.25 euros. Not bad for a small site.
How is that even worth your time? Honestly. How can you justify 1.35 euro per month to be not bad?

Ron, tell us again, how much are you making on Symbiostock in a month?  ::) After hosting costs of course.

I use Mostphotos basically as a free online backup. Upload is automated and I switched off subscriptions.

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The month that I make $3K just from Shutter I will officially retire from my day job!  8)

where do you live now?state?I can support my own life with 2k in here..but only me..no family kids wife ...etc

how life is different in different parts of the world. in my neck of wood 2k per month could support at least 2 full families with multiple children each. In Germany, for instance, they have average salaries that are 6 times what they are in my country.

What country is that?

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I am not happy with DP, not at all. They are dishonest!

But its DP (not Shotshot or any other partner or reseller) that pays the photographer the pitiful subscription price!
We simply do not know who much DP gets from their partners. The probably get a normal 50/50 deal.
I think its you who is naive here if you really believe that DP "allowed second parties to pay subscription prices (to us) and those people have re-licensed our images"

If you read earlier in this thread, you'll see a contributor posted the text of a reply Shotshop sent him when he applied - that they don't work with microstock photographers. There were other contributors who submit to Shotshop directly who earlier in this thread reported having work rejected as "not suitable" only to find that same work on Shotshop's site but via the DP reseller API

I realize that is circumstantial evidence, but to me it says very clearly that Shotshop does not have clean hands in this deal. And I would point out that many deals with distributors are not 50/50, so I don't think there is a normal. Those of us who have been on the receiving end of these "deals" for a while are not being naive, but circumspect.

And as you point out, we don't know what DP is paid - and you don't know either - but contributors should know about the split between agency and distributor.

Alamy, for example, (a) lets you opt out, albeit only once a year and (b) is up front about the split - 40% for the distributor, 30% for Alamy and 30% for the schmuck who created what's being licensed. I applaud their transparency, but I opted out of distributor deals as it just seemed wrong for the company that did virtually nothing to walk away with the lion's share of the payment.

I do not have to read that earlier in this thread, I know that from 1st hand experience because I am a Shotshop contributor. Unlike many others in this thread who keep posting things as "facts" that are obviously only specualtion. Some people in this forum sure like their conspiracy theories... I would rather stick to the known facts. But I guess Im the only one...

And just for the record (as I keep getting quoted and misinterpreted):
Im not defending any of the actions of either DP or Shotshop.
I have actually stopped uploading to DP and Im only waiting for my next payout.





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And the other four or five sites? We don't even know all of them. DP has allowed second parties to pay subscription prices (to us) and those people have re-licensed our images. They did this for a contract or payment or both.

This was done under the table until we discovered it. And now people are happy because they could opt out?

What is wrong with you people. DP just cheated everyone of us, did a back door deal and sold the rights to your images illegally. And now you're happy because you found out and they stopped?

Wait until the next scheme they come up with to screw us and then people will be "happy" to discover and end that one?

This is dishonest business and proves what people have said since the day DP opened. They can't be trusted. But some people are so desperate for some quarters, that they will continue to support agencies that steal and cheat us?

Just absurd and ridiculous. Wake up!


DP pays the photographer a subscription. Nobody knows how much DP gets from Shotshop.

I am not happy with DP, not at all. They are dishonest!

But its DP (not Shotshot or any other partner or reseller) that pays the photographer the pitiful subscription price!
We simply do not know who much DP gets from their partners. The probably get a normal 50/50 deal.
I think its you who is naive here if you really believe that DP "allowed second parties to pay subscription prices (to us) and those people have re-licensed our images"

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Ron, none of your posts has got anything to do with the topic this thread... Youre just touting Symbiostock and your own site  ::)

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That agency was quite happy to pay another a subscription and then offer the file at a high price - what does that say about their business ethics?


How do you know?

I think its quite possible Shotshop paid DP 50% like in a normal partner deal.
The whole "subscription" and "reseller" shenanigans DP is talking about just doesnt make any sense. You cannot re-sell what havnt bought in the first place, can you?


I didn't make the purchases, but earlier in this thread one or two users did and verified that the purchase from Shotshop resulted in a subscription download at DP. If you think they're not telling the full story, find the post and PM them to ask

Here are the links

http://www.microstockgroup.com/depositphotos/the-german-shotshop-reseller-of-depositphotos/msg365027/#msg365027

http://www.microstockgroup.com/depositphotos/the-german-shotshop-reseller-of-depositphotos/msg365039/#msg365039


DP pays the photographer a subscription. Nobody knows how much DP gets from Shotshop.


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That agency was quite happy to pay another a subscription and then offer the file at a high price - what does that say about their business ethics?

How do you know?

I think its quite possible Shotshop paid DP 50% like in a normal partner deal.
The whole "subscription" and "reseller" shenanigans DP is talking about just doesnt make any sense. You cannot re-sell what havnt bought in the first place, can you?

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I am not sure but I can not find any of my images on ShotShop anymore. When I did the original search, I remember it wasn't too easy to find mine. But now I tried with several searches for specific images and could find none of them.

So it might be that at least my images were removed from Deposit's API interface...

My files were gone from Shotshop before DP even replied to my email. I GUESS they were removed by Shotshop. Somebody on the german forum was told by Shotshop that they found a way to identify duplicate files... So if you contruibute to Shotshop yourself, the DP files should be gone.

However my files are still available at Ibudget.

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I just got this email:

"Your portfolio has been successfully removed from our partner sites.
Should you have any further questions or require any assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us."

But, but.. anyway my portfolio is online Shotshop and Ibudgetphoto.. somebody is lying..

Exactly the same. Yesterday I sent an ultimatum to DP and today got exactly the same message but my images are still at ShotShop and Ibugetphot...

Thats because DP calls them "resellers" and not partners...

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They have my images as well... image numbers are the same as on Deposit with prefix PHX

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Photo Critique / Re: Ive posted but it doesnt show
« on: March 02, 2014, 13:53 »
dont feed the troll  ::)

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That can only be partly true.

When I asked them to delete my images from all their partners and API-Resellers, they were gone from Shotshop the same day...

Mine were gone from Shotshop BEFORE DP even asnwered my email. I THINK it was Shotshop who removed the duplicate files from photographers contributing directly.

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I cant find my files anymore on shotshop.

Thats interesting! So they removed them without you asking them to?
That would mean they probably received so many emails / bad feedback that they cancelled the Shotshop API for everybody!??

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Shotstop
« on: February 16, 2014, 11:41 »
Do you want a list? I see YAY, DP, DT and I think 123RF appearing on ShotStop.

http://www.microstockgroup.com/depositphotos/the-german-shotshop-reseller-of-depositphotos/msg365026/#msg365026

I'd have to take notes and verify the data, it could be more and some of the above I might be mistaken.


Are you sure about Shotshop? They only have files from DP as far as I can see.
Ibudgetphoto though has files from DP, DT and YAY.

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DP:
"Yes, you get $0,30 even though our API re-seller sells a file for 24.90. Our API re-sellers have the right to set their own prices. If you want to opt out of all our partner programs, please confirm and your files will be sold only on depositphotos.com"

Me:
"Yes, absolutely OPT me OUT of any partner programs and re-sellers now."

DP:
"...It will take some time to remove your portfolio from API re-seller/partner sites".

I'm waiting only for the replay to my question - what is the "some time".

Why should I have worries? I think it's clear situation... If I find my images anywhere else, they immediately loose my 1k files (every day some sells) and that's it. They're to low earner for me to be sad after all. They'll loose much more than I do :)

That's the first bit of good news from this debacle.  I hope that is TRULY AN OPTION.

I wrote to them yesterday. They did not reply - but my images have already been removed from Shotshop!
(Hope, they wont put them up again later on  ;) )

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great to see I was opted out of this already.. (in my api, it's already set to "opt out" somehow) but I am very glad it was..

I just don't see how anyone would opt in to this..

that's why it was not advertised, and secretly launched until they got caught by microstockgroup detectives..


Well, the detectives could have just searched MSG forum...
http://www.microstockgroup.com/yaymicro/yay-newsletter-information-about-new-product/

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Really like it, but wish it wasn't a buck a pop for extra agencies. You get 14 or so for $3, but if you want the last 8, it's $8 more?

Can anyone tell me which agencies are included in the the $3 and for which you have to pay extra?

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Cameras / Lenses / Smartphone for stock?
« on: October 17, 2013, 04:01 »
More and more agencies are accepting images taken with mobile phones. Since I am thinking about buying a smartphone anyway, I might as well buy one with a decent camera suitable for stock. Any experiences or recommendations? 



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I am happy with them. They make me 100-350 dollar per month.

How many and what kind of images do you have wit FAA, Ron?

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Veer / closing Veer account
« on: September 21, 2013, 03:05 »
Has anybody got any experience closing their Veer account? Will Veer payout the balance even if its less than the 100$ minimum requirement?

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Pond5 / Re: Pond5: What should we improve?
« on: September 19, 2013, 11:21 »
Hi Microstock Man,

we are sorry for that, everything should be synced now but obviously there was some problem with your account. Our IT guys are checking what happened, but anyway - your images are set up for sync now, they should be ready in a few days. Sorry again!


Hi Lucie,

than there must have been a problem with my account as well... Only half of my Pixmac portfolio is shown at http://www.pond5.com/artist/2@abfoto.
Could you get the IT guys to have a look at that as well?

Thanks!

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Mostphotos

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Bigstock.com / Re: "Start a 5-day Free Trial"
« on: September 14, 2013, 10:43 »
that is what I see:

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