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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Selling Stock Direct => Topic started by: Tantoon on May 05, 2015, 03:54
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Hi guys,
I read somewhere that the project was abandoned? is it true?
I'd love to hear your opinion about the pros, the cons.. anything that can help.
thank you
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Dont waste your time and enthusiasm.
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It is a wordpress theme/plugin and there are alternatives. I agree, a waste of time.
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The SEO part of symbiostock is a big plus though
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For some. For most photographers who are building a site to sell their own photos, no.
That was a big part of the selling point of SY, and after about 200 people signed on, only a few saw benefit from, and that was likely because they have multiple sites linking back and forth to each other. Most of the 200 sites, which included some excellent photographers, saw no benefit from having those links back and forth to other photographers. In fact, one could argue that it might even draw a buyer away from your site to somewhere else.
If you don't spend a WHOLE LOT OF TIME marketing your site, the networking feature is useless, IMHO. :)
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thanks guys..
It is a wordpress theme/plugin and there are alternatives. I agree, a waste of time.
Really! Wordpress alternatives? can you please mention them?
I'm currently using Ktools but not happy with their SEO (it really sucks) another reason is that google considers Mobile-friendly as a ranking factor now..
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Plenty of threads on this forum on alternatives, some from even the last couple of months. Look for self hosting threads.
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The legacy version of Symbiostock is no longer being developed but is being supported to the extent of keeping it functional with Wordpress updates.
A new version of Symbiostock, being developed by someone new, not the original developer, is in Beta testing. Not many details yet on what will be in the base (free) plugin and what options will be paid add ons.
There were pros and cons to the Legacy version SEO. It did not bring cross-site sales was expected but it did help increase Google indexing and visibility, especially when you were actively uploading and blogging. I also notice a relationship between searches and sales on the established sites. Could be coincidence that it's an active topic or that someone finds me via Google then tracks me to an account they have with one of the majors. Exclusive images on my site would help that.
I am taking a wait and see stance before converting to the new Symbiostock. I want to see what it offers and what the cost is before I undo what I have now.
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For some. For most photographers who are building a site to sell their own photos, no.
That was a big part of the selling point of SY, and after about 200 people signed on, only a few saw benefit from, and that was likely because they have multiple sites linking back and forth to each other. Most of the 200 sites, which included some excellent photographers, saw no benefit from having those links back and forth to other photographers. In fact, one could argue that it might even draw a buyer away from your site to somewhere else.
If you don't spend a WHOLE LOT OF TIME marketing your site, the networking feature is useless, IMHO. :)
Thats not SEO
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Plenty of threads on this forum on alternatives, some from even the last couple of months. Look for self hosting threads.
Why dont you just name them instead of giving people the run around...
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Plenty of threads on this forum on alternatives, some from even the last couple of months. Look for self hosting threads.
Why dont you just name them instead of giving people the run around...
Alternative would be interesting.
Wordpress + Woocomerce + free Digital Media plugin + vat plugin.
If there is such a setup we just need a crowd founded searchengine that we can all promote. Somthing like a non profit foundation.
Everyone who wants conected to the searchengine pay a membership fee.
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PicturEngine
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Yes somthing like that. But in non-profit organization funded through small membership fees :-*. Its just a dream I know...
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Hi Tan to on,
If you're an illustrator, try GRFX.co by Leo Blanchette (the founder of Symbio Stock). It's free and you get a functioning, competitive site within minutes.
More about grfx can be found through the Illustrator’s Introduction http://www.grfx.co/grfx-an-illustrators-introduction/ (http://www.grfx.co/grfx-an-illustrators-introduction/)
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PicturEngine
Would PicturEngine replace one's own individual site (Symbiostock or other)?
I hadn't heard of it before but just looked at the site (http://www.picturengine.com (http://www.picturengine.com)) and now am curious.
Thanks!
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This looks like a decent WordPress option if you want to go it alone.
http://themeforest.net/item/stocky-a-stock-photography-marketplace-theme/8087525 (http://themeforest.net/item/stocky-a-stock-photography-marketplace-theme/8087525)
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Would it work for vectors? I'm not sure.
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Would it work for vectors? I'm not sure.
It uses this...
https://easydigitaldownloads.com
Don't see why not.
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I really love this place.. thank you so much for your help and the info.
easydigitaldownloads is interesting indeed and I may consider the mentioned theme if the developer is continually updating it (seems he does!)
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PicturEngine
you must be joking.
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PicturEngine
I don't think that's ever getting off the ground - I know it's still around, but it's slow, the image display is (IMO, if I think with a buyer hat on) not appealing and it'd be quicker to check 2 or 3 of your favorite sites
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easydigitaldownloads is interesting indeed
It's possible you could make something work with a solution for digital downloads, but I'm guessing (I haven't installed this to check it out) it won't do the work to generate the size you need on the fly if you're selling more sizes than just the "original".
I'd also check carefully to make sure that your unwatermarked, full resolution originals aren't stored somewhere easily accessed (e.g. all those images in wp-content that show up in Google image searches). You'll also need to be able to indicate that what someone is buying is a license to use the image, not the image itself and possibly multiple license options (regular and extended) for the same product.
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https://graphpaperpress.com/plugins/sell-media/
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https://graphpaperpress.com/plugins/sell-media/
that looks very good! Does it needs only WP or Woocommerce too?
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[url]https://graphpaperpress.com/plugins/sell-media/[/url] ([url]https://graphpaperpress.com/plugins/sell-media/[/url])
that looks very good! Does it needs only WP or Woocommerce too?
It is a plugin for wordpress. GPP has themes that integrate right into the plugin, but when I had my site, I used a different theme from photocrati (http://www.photocrati.com/ (http://www.photocrati.com/)) because there wasn't much choice in the GPP themes. Since then, they have added more choices for themes, tho.
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https://graphpaperpress.com/plugins/sell-media/
Does it support european vat?
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[url]https://graphpaperpress.com/plugins/sell-media/[/url] ([url]https://graphpaperpress.com/plugins/sell-media/[/url])
that looks very good! Does it needs only WP or Woocommerce too?
It is a plugin for wordpress. GPP has themes that integrate right into the plugin, but when I had my site, I used a different theme from photocrati ([url]http://www.photocrati.com/[/url] ([url]http://www.photocrati.com/[/url])) because there wasn't much choice in the GPP themes. Since then, they have added more choices for themes, tho.
thx. They hopefully have a VAT solution ...
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The Graph Paper Press looks good enough.
What I'm really interested in is the connection to the Amazon S3 cloud storage.
Does anyone already use S3?
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Hey Tantoon,
The new Symbiostock plugin will be released next week sometime (and it's going to be completely free). It's going to be a major upgrade to the previous version in terms of functionality and expandability.
You can give it a test run via symbiostock.com to see if it's something compatible with your needs. That's our hosting solution for people who don't want to self-host their wordpress install, and you can try it out for 15 days for free. I am recommending people give it a test whirl there to get a feel for it.
If you have any questions on usage, you can post it in the symbiostock.org forums. Oh, and it comes with a very good VAT plugin - it collects the necessary proof, offers detailed reporting, and can allow business customers to exempt themselves. If you're a standalone user, you can buy a plugin that will do this for you as well.
Robin.
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I don't think it's working. I just did a keyword search (I think - I tried both search boxes) and nothing came up on your enlightened media site.
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Also, when I click on "isolated objects" in the header bar, nothing comes up. And "man" only brings up mangoes. I think you need to work on the interface a bit more.
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Yep, Symbiostock was a BIG waste of time. I am curious why Leo begin new project for illustrators. Is it the same plan to make a platform , to sell some theme and then to abandon the project? I had a symbiostock site, upgraded theme for nothing!
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Yep, Symbiostock was a BIG waste of time. I am curious why Leo begin new project for illustrators. Is it the same plan to make a platform , to sell some theme and then to abandon the project? I had a symbiostock site, upgraded theme for nothing!
100% agree.
Leo now creates a pseudo elite closed platform for illustrators (forgetting about dozens of photographers who paid $100 for Pro plugin and other stuff). What will be next when Leo abandons this project ? Vrfx - a platform only for videographers ? :D
As far as selling direct goes - I am getting way better money without having the store, cart, set-up prices etc on my website. I have just a beautiful gallery with clear information that if someone is interested in licensing my picture they can just contact me. Then the money I get from a single picture usually vary from $100 to $1000 (it comes with with nice personal contact or even a new business partnership). I recommend zenfolio, smugmug, squarespace and many more professional and solid companies - just the opposite of symbiostock, grfx and derivatives.
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Yep, Symbiostock was a BIG waste of time. I am curious why Leo begin new project for illustrators. Is it the same plan to make a platform , to sell some theme and then to abandon the project? I had a symbiostock site, upgraded theme for nothing!
He's said many times that he is supporting legacy themes. What is broken on your site that has made it a waste of time?
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Yep, Symbiostock was a BIG waste of time. I am curious why Leo begin new project for illustrators. Is it the same plan to make a platform , to sell some theme and then to abandon the project? I had a symbiostock site, upgraded theme for nothing!
He's said many times that he is supporting legacy themes. What is broken on your site that has made it a waste of time?
That's the point that keeps being (deliberately?) forgotten here.
My "legacy" Symbiostock site is working fine. I'm about to start uploading dozens of fresh images.
At some point, I may rework it into a new theme, but for now there's no reason to jump ship.
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Yep, Symbiostock was a BIG waste of time. I am curious why Leo begin new project for illustrators. Is it the same plan to make a platform , to sell some theme and then to abandon the project? I had a symbiostock site, upgraded theme for nothing!
He's said many times that he is supporting legacy themes. What is broken on your site that has made it a waste of time?
That's the point that keeps being (deliberately?) forgotten here.
My "legacy" Symbiostock site is working fine. I'm about to start uploading dozens of fresh images.
At some point, I may rework it into a new theme, but for now there's no reason to jump ship.
I think that's where I'm struggling with all the negativity. Its self-hosting. Sym and GRFX (which also works just fine for photos btw, as stated many times as well) are software. It works fine as far as I can tell. Unless there's a problem with it, I don't get all the crying and moaning.
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I would have to know who Robin is before I let his code loose with my whole portfolio. There has to be some accountability. Who's to say that there hasn't been a backdoor left in to give him access to my whole port, which he can then monetise it by giving away hosted on some Chinese server and offering ads? I knew who Leo was, Robin, I have no idea, just saying.
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I would have to know who Robin is before I let his code loose with my whole portfolio. There has to be some accountability. Who's to say that there hasn't been a backdoor left in to give him access to my whole port, which he can then monetise it by giving away hosted on some Chinese server and offering ads? I knew who Leo was, Robin, I have no idea, just saying.
I feel the same way.
Robin, if you're listening, your stubborn anonymity is a problem for some of us now, and I suspect it will continue to dog your efforts.
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The SEO part of symbiostock is a big plus though
absolutely, @Semnickphoto -- so much so that I sometimes wish this would be made available for other uses beyond Microstock photography...
So, aside from any hiccups there may be with the new Dev, the Symbiostock idea and general structure is a great thing. Still worth looking into, IMHO.
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Well I can only speak from my experience... My legacy site has thousands of images, i have worked a lot trying to keep new content coming and it does have a few glitches and uploading issues but in the end of the day its MY site, MY sales. If it doesn't sell its because of me and me not making good enough pictures or nor making enough marketing. I cannot blame sales on Leo or anybody else that is my responsibility.
I am grateful for the people that have put a lot of effort in Symbiostock, certainly i wouldn't have been able to do all that by myself. Not ready to jump ship to Robyn, I don't know him and only time will tell if its worth it. But I know that it there's a monthly fee I would probably not be able to afford it. So i will keep my site as it is now in the legacy theme and hope for the best!
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Well I can only speak from my experience... My legacy site has thousands of images, i have worked a lot trying to keep new content coming and it does have a few glitches and uploading issues but in the end of the day its MY site, MY sales. If it doesn't sell its because of me and me not making good enough pictures or nor making enough marketing. I cannot blame sales on Leo or anybody else that is my responsibility.
I am grateful for the people that have put a lot of effort in Symbiostock, certainly i wouldn't have been able to do all that by myself. Not ready to jump ship to Robyn, I don't know him and only time will tell if its worth it. But I know that it there's a monthly fee I would probably not be able to afford it. So i will keep my site as it is now in the legacy theme and hope for the best!
Very well said, Pablox.
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Plenty of threads on this forum on alternatives, some from even the last couple of months. Look for self hosting threads.
Why dont you just name them instead of giving people the run around...
Alternative would be interesting.
Wordpress + Woocomerce + free Digital Media plugin + vat plugin.
If there is such a setup we just need a crowd founded searchengine that we can all promote. Somthing like a non profit foundation.
Everyone who wants conected to the searchengine pay a membership fee.
you're spot on -- I would be in on a crowd-funded search engine because that concept (of the super-search engine plus networking effect) is a promising one, especially in this day and age of latest Google flavours-or-the-day...
BTW, the Symbiostock theme HAPPENS TO BE mobile-friendly: that's a plus for the (old) Symbiostock theme!
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I've watched Symbio with interest... but stayed on the sidelines. IMO: Symbiostocks global search engine needs improvement. For example - there should be a way to separate photos from illustrations and commercial from editorial.
Symbio could be a great success if its global search tool is comparable to established agencies. To compete with agencies Symbio needs to look like an agency... while loudly proclaiming it's artist direct fair trade origin.
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I've watched Symbio with interest... but stayed on the sidelines. IMO: Symbiostocks global search engine needs improvement. For example - there should be a way to separate photos from illustrations and commercial from editorial.
Symbio could be a great success if it's global search tool is comparable to established agencies. To compete with agencies Symbio needs to look like an agency... while loudly proclaiming it's artist direct fair trade origin.
This is what Ive always felt was a drawback to the whole thing. There's the software part, plus the network part. Both have the same name. I love the software part, works great, etc, etc. The networking part I wasn't keen on, except to maybe get together half a dozen or so like minded, like priced and like quality portfolios, and make something happen.
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I love the software part, works great, etc, etc. The networking part I wasn't keen on, except to maybe get together half a dozen or so like minded, like priced and like quality portfolios, and make something happen.
Exactly right. I would have loved to pull together a like-minded group of nature/wildlife "specialist" photographers under the Symbiostock umbrella, pool our images into a coherent search engine (which would exclude the irrelevant, oddball material that sometimes popped up there), and then together aggressively promote the entire group's work.
Doesn't seem like that should have been too hard, but there weren't enough of "our kind" in the network to make it work.
I'm still game to discuss something like that if anybody else out there wants to take a stab at it.
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Save your time and money. I had a SY site for 2 years. The networking part of the SY wordpress theme isnt going to bring the individual photographer any more traffic at all. There are alternative wordpress themes out there that work way better, with way less developer hassles. You still have to do all of your own site marketing in either case. The networking feature was way more trouble than it was worth, for those just trying to sell images.
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I love the software part, works great, etc, etc. The networking part I wasn't keen on, except to maybe get together half a dozen or so like minded, like priced and like quality portfolios, and make something happen.
Exactly right. I would have loved to pull together a like-minded group of nature/wildlife "specialist" photographers under the Symbiostock umbrella, pool our images into a coherent search engine (which would exclude the irrelevant, oddball material that sometimes popped up there), and then together aggressively promote the entire group's work.
Doesn't seem like that should have been too hard, but there weren't enough of "our kind" in the network to make it work.
I'm still game to discuss something like that if anybody else out there wants to take a stab at it.
it's possible to do this but we may not have the numbers -- it would be easy to put together a mini-network search, but there'd need to be enough people involved to make it worthwhile. i'd support any effort to do this - either by improving the current searches or supplying the database access for someone else to do so.
the current search can't separate commercial from editorial since each site decides how that might be done. using specific keywords would help, but would require enough people using thse codes. to date there has been litle interest and few suggestions on how to improve the searches, so i've concentrated on features i can use on other sites such as interactive contact sheets and image galleries.
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it's possible to do this but we may not have the numbers -- it would be easy to put together a mini-network search, but there'd need to be enough people involved to make it worthwhile. i'd support any effort to do this - either by improving the current searches or supplying the database access for someone else to do so.
the current search can't separate commercial from editorial since each site decides how that might be done. using specific keywords would help, but would require enough people using thse codes. to date there has been litle interest and few suggestions on how to improve the searches, so i've concentrated on features i can use on other sites such as interactive contact sheets and image galleries.
I'm just looking for those few sites that are suitable to collaborate with and just have a closed network. The old Sym was perfect for it, except that you had to log into each site separately, and the search results still included every other site that used Sym software. I didn't like that and efforts at removing all that stuff kept breaking my site. I don't want to belong to anything huge and generic or one that imposed any kind of control over my own site. There's enough agencies already. I want (ideally, in my perfect world) to just have enough good portfolios that together we can build our own little corner and go after specific (repeat) customers.
Remember last I heard SS had a million customers. If we could get even half of one percent as regular customers, buying at a reasonable rate and purchase price, pure gold... I don't see how that's impossible. I also think targeted marketing instead of relying on the googles of the world (nothing against it, but it's like everyone fishing in the same pond), might work better. Does every single buyer use Google to source their images? Nope. Since almost every tool is freely available, it certainly doesn't hurt to try.
Down the road, if there are enough niche collections like what I suggest, then I could see a hub site being useful. Right now, anyone with the software potentially belongs to "the" network. Whether they sell photos, illustrations, ebooks, music, etc... if its downloadable, you can use the software for it (open source after all). So it would depend on who adds the new sites to what network. Also something that few seemed to realize. There could be as many networks as people wanted. Don't like one? Move to another or create your own...
Anyway, they're all good ideas. It just takes time and effort and a little expense. Sadly I am lacking all three right now.
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Honestly, I can't recommend it because there's no sales tracking. The only way I know what sold is to hold on to the emails.
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Honestly, I can't recommend it because there's no sales tracking. The only way I know what sold is to hold on to the emails.
The new versions use Woocommerce, which has plugins for sales tracking and other reporting.
I wish I had that issue. Someday! :)
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Honestly, I can't recommend it because there's no sales tracking. The only way I know what sold is to hold on to the emails.
You are probably one of the very few who actually has to even worry about that. Most others never make more than a few sales. :)
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Oh, I only make 1-2 a month, maybe, but I don't want a buyer coming back one day, and me going "what are you talking about"....
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Hi guys,
I read somewhere that the project was abandoned? is it true?
I'd love to hear your opinion about the pros, the cons.. anything that can help.
thank you
--- Quoted from other board, so nicely blocked and sealed by the New-Symbio Police out there... --
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Quote from: shotupdave on May 06, 2015, 14:11
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3. You killing Symbiostock by claiming Symbiostock is a trademark in your property.
That is is a claim that you have to prove. And if Leo gave him the rights to the name, it is his right to do so.
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get your basic facts right ----
it's Robin who must prove his claim, since he makes it such a prominent part of his offerings --
Leo sold Robin the rights to the new version of symbiostock, but no rights to anything related to the original symbiostock
Leo COULD NOT have given robin the trademark robin claims, since Leo NEVER TRADEMARKED the word symbiostock. Leo SPECIFICALLY made symbiostock a brand that ANYONE could use, and said so EXPLICITLY in this and other forums, many times. Leo ENCOURAGED anyone interested to register domain names that included symbiostock, such as symbiostock.info and symbiostock-network.com -- that made symbiostock difficult if not impossible to ever trademark due to common law and prior usage
Again you show nothing but ignorance, first you made the claim the robin did not register it, now you are saying leo did not. having a website with the name symbiostock has nothing to do with the product. we do not use common law in us federal laws. so agin you are wrong.
what I said was correct:
Robin has not registered a trademark for symbiostock
Leo did not register a trademark EITHER
the US most definitely considers common law usage as part of trademark law - a simple google search turns up many sites top explain it for you
eg
http://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/common.html (http://www.bitlaw.com/trademark/common.html)
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@cascoly: +1
--> ...I liked that one -- and soon these clowns will also try and tell us that in the U. S. they don't speak English -- but "only" American :)))
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In what world do you live in. the person making the assertion has to prove his point. And the united states does not use common law. And robin is not telling anyone that they caanot use the older version. in fact he said you can use the older version as long as you want, but there will not be any support from him.
i do not understand why you have such bad feelings for this man, you sound like a whiny brat
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People are freaking out because they know their long term income is f##>ed. Self hosting won't save it.
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In what world do you live in. the person making the assertion has to prove his point. And the united states does not use common law. And robin is not telling anyone that they caanot use the older version. in fact he said you can use the older version as long as you want, but there will not be any support from him.
i do not understand why you have such bad feelings for this man, you sound like a whiny brat
Not true!!!
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Yep, Symbiostock was a BIG waste of time. I am curious why Leo begin new project for illustrators. Is it the same plan to make a platform , to sell some theme and then to abandon the project? I had a symbiostock site, upgraded theme for nothing!
100% agree.
Leo now creates a pseudo elite closed platform for illustrators (forgetting about dozens of photographers who paid $100 for Pro plugin and other stuff). What will be next when Leo abandons this project ? Vrfx - a platform only for videographers ? :D
As far as selling direct goes - I am getting way better money without having the store, cart, set-up prices etc on my website. I have just a beautiful gallery with clear information that if someone is interested in licensing my picture they can just contact me. Then the money I get from a single picture usually vary from $100 to $1000 (it comes with with nice personal contact or even a new business partnership). I recommend zenfolio, smugmug, squarespace and many more professional and solid companies - just the opposite of symbiostock, grfx and derivatives.
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Leo has not created an pseudo elite closed platform and he has not abandoned the old theme. Your money has not been wasted either. Leo has made a post on his new board about your pro plug ins.
Grfx can sell anything that you can upload. Robin and Leo have an agreement as far as hosting goes. Robin will host photographers and Leo will host illustrators. What you sell on your own site, and with which plug in is your choice.
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How will that agreement even be governed? Did they write out the definition of illustrator and photographer? What if someone is both? What if I call myself an illustrator because I draw circles on a notepad during phonecalls with my mam? Are they going to sue each other as well?
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What you sell on your own site, and with which plug in is your choice.
And there's the true gist of the current situation. I'm a photographer, but I'm probably going to migrate to grfx because I know Leo and trust him.
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What you sell on your own site, and with which plug in is your choice.
And there's the true gist of the current situation. I'm a photographer, but I'm probably going to migrate to grfx because I know Leo and trust him.
Same here. Fortunately, my old symbio site continues to work just fine. I hope I can just wait a few months until all dust has settled and decide then which route to go. I actually like choices and also notice already a hint of "competition is good for business". 8)
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Same here. Fortunately, my old symbio site continues to work just fine. I hope I can just wait a few months until all dust has settled and decide then which route to go. I actually like choices and also notice already a hint of "competition is good for business". 8)
Same here regarding my "old sym" site.
And I agree: settling dust and vigorous competition should do some good for both the "new sym" and for grfx.
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What you sell on your own site, and with which plug in is your choice.
And there's the true gist of the current situation. I'm a photographer, but I'm probably going to migrate to grfx because I know Leo and trust him.
I can understood this but on the other hand Leo has sold Symbiostock to Mr. Murarka. Thats it. Than grfx and the blocking Robin blabla.
In german i would like to say "Kindergarten".
For me its quite clear that i dont work with one of this platforms.
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Leo has sold Symbiostock to Mr. Murarka.
Whohoo!!! Can we now actually attach a last name to the mysterious "Robin"?
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What you sell on your own site, and with which plug in is your choice.
And there's the true gist of the current situation. I'm a photographer, but I'm probably going to migrate to grfx because I know Leo and trust him.
I can understood this but on the other hand Leo has sold Symbiostock to Mr. Murarka. Thats it. Than grfx and the blocking Robin blabla.
In german i would like to say "Kindergarten".
For me its quite clear that i dont work with one of this platforms.
that's where the confusion is -- robin has rights to moving on with symbiostock -- but he does not have exclusive rights to the name, or the original software or anything to do with existing sites.
and robin is further muddying waters by actively pushing his symbio-plus etc to illustrators, despite a supposed agreement to split
I think what will happen is the 'new' symbiostock will wither away when people realize how much robin is planning to charge for 'plus' and global search, and older symbiostock sites will be able to migrate smoothly to grfx
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Can someone move this to the symbiostock section of the forum.
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What you sell on your own site, and with which plug in is your choice.
And there's the true gist of the current situation. I'm a photographer, but I'm probably going to migrate to grfx because I know Leo and trust him.
I can understood this but on the other hand Leo has sold Symbiostock to Mr. Murarka. Thats it. Than grfx and the blocking Robin blabla.
In german i would like to say "Kindergarten".
For me its quite clear that i dont work with one of this platforms.
that's where the confusion is -- robin has rights to moving on with symbiostock -- but he does not have exclusive rights to the name, or the original software or anything to do with existing sites.
and robin is further muddying waters by actively pushing his symbio-plus etc to illustrators, despite a supposed agreement to split
I think what will happen is the 'new' symbiostock will wither away when people realize how much robin is planning to charge for 'plus' and global search, and older symbiostock sites will be able to migrate smoothly to grfx
Yes i think Robins main atention is monetization. But I will not use grfx the developer is too unreliable.
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What you sell on your own site, and with which plug in is your choice.
And there's the true gist of the current situation. I'm a photographer, but I'm probably going to migrate to grfx because I know Leo and trust him.
I can understood this but on the other hand Leo has sold Symbiostock to Mr. Murarka. Thats it. Than grfx and the blocking Robin blabla.
In german i would like to say "Kindergarten".
For me its quite clear that i dont work with one of this platforms.
that's where the confusion is -- robin has rights to moving on with symbiostock -- but he does not have exclusive rights to the name, or the original software or anything to do with existing sites.
and robin is further muddying waters by actively pushing his symbio-plus etc to illustrators, despite a supposed agreement to split
I think what will happen is the 'new' symbiostock will wither away when people realize how much robin is planning to charge for 'plus' and global search, and older symbiostock sites will be able to migrate smoothly to grfx
that would be the market solution in an ideal world, indeed! (And I do believe in free markets as they are on record to have solved most any problems adequately throughout all of history. Curiously never governments or Super-Elites like the US-Feds or detached Brussels Eurocrats -- as an aside here.)
As just one actor in that entire scenario, I will move in Leo's direction and go for the far superior grfx Plugin.
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Not going to renew my hosting or domain name. I didn't enjoy Symbiostock, it was too much fiddling about for me and I never really gave it enough time. Sold very little and the final nail in the coffin was the new EU VAT rules that killed the little enthusiasm I had left.
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Hey Sharpshot - you should consider using the new Symbiostock, even as a test run to see if it works for you. Having your independent site going definitely takes work, but with the development and growth we've seen in a short while, along with the networking components that will be released soon, it may breathe fresh air into the independent arena.
You can give it a try for free here: http://symbiostock.com/ (http://symbiostock.com/)
You can even import all your legacy stuff into the new site. Of course, there are no guarantees of sales as the independent market is still a new concept, but keep in touch. Once it gets more traction, don't hesitate to try it out.
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The problem is, I have never really believed that all of us paying for domains and hosting is a good option for us or buyers. So thanks for the offer but unless we can get one site that we all contribute to and pay for, I'm not interested.
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Back to the topic: Do you recommend Symbiostock?
NO!
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Back to the topic: Do you recommend Symbiostock?
NO!
+1
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It's important to distinguish between legacy Symbiostock (which many people have had different experiences with) and the new one.
Thus far the new Symbiostock is having no issues and moving along speedily (over 100 happy contributors in a month). If you are a user of the new Symbiostock and have any problems, do let me know.
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It's important to distinguish between legacy Symbiostock (which many people have had different experiences with) and the new one.
Thus far the new Symbiostock is having no issues and moving along speedily (over 100 happy contributors in a month).
100 never ever ;D
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It's important to distinguish between legacy Symbiostock (which many people have had different experiences with) and the new one.
Thus far the new Symbiostock is having no issues and moving along speedily (over 100 happy contributors in a month). If you are a user of the new Symbiostock and have any problems, do let me know.
your own symbiostock forum shows MULTIPLE issues people have had w the new version -- bugs are to be expected with any new release and these seem to be getting fixed, but it's misleading to say there have been NO issues
can you provide links to some of these 100 sites?
what happened to the 'artist network'? "Here we showcase the plethora of artists who make up our Symbiostock community." with 100 sites there are still no links here???
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Think imma just install grfx now ... It's coming up on domain renewal and I'm still on the fence :/
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Think imma just install grfx now ... It's coming up on domain renewal and I'm still on the fence :/
Never freaking mind updating php to 5.4 starts puking up errors about imagick again.