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anon20200611

« Reply #75 on: June 06, 2020, 09:21 »
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So what happens when they start heavily discounting those subs packages? They can now sell for 11cents per image, take all the market share back they lost.  Your RPD will then look a bit sick, but you might regain any loss with increased turnover, but at the expense of losses at other agencies. It will 12 months before you know your true position, but by then the game is lost.

Maybe it's better to focus on the problems right now, than the hypothetical problems of the future? I am more concerned to how the average RPD will turn out, because it's all that matters really and how can Shutterstock change their minds to the January reset and replace with a 12-month-average.
I am sorry but that really isn't all that matters.

Two other things that matter:

1. A January reset is insane whatever the level is now

2. If we accept tiers based on a hypothetical (if a buyer were to use all their dls) when we know big buyers don't use all their dls SS can overnight increase the permitted dls in the largest packages to cut our share by whatever they like with zero impact on their revenue and a huge decrease in their costs (and still get to claim they are paying us the same percentage).

Both the above are true regardless of the initial tiers set.

Well, that's the supposed reason that iStock delays the results by a month. That, they apply the value to a clients downloads and share it equally with you. However that didn't prevent them of paying contributors a mere 15% for a non-exclusive deal which sucks, totally, as they had the potential to sell more images than SS but give back, not even half the rpd. iStock is like SS tier 1 now, but forever and without 0.10 minimum! That's how bad it is.

So, again, you are making invalid assumptions that SS will do any of these things that you describe. Face the situation as is. (1) Calculate the RPD (2) Predict accurately how the January reset will turn out.

For example, do you know that if the RPD magically turns out to be higher, then the January reset is fair? But if the RPD is negative, then the January reset is a double down and there is every right from contributors to protest it? But it starts with the RPD. Everyone should focus on how much is their loss or gain in the new system for starters.



« Reply #76 on: June 06, 2020, 09:26 »
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This absolutely a distraction and we are arguing in circles. I too am done with you

« Reply #77 on: June 06, 2020, 09:57 »
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Go back to your deep dark Shutter cave troll.

Talking about burguers maybe you ate too many of those and your brain cannon function nor calculate properly. The proof is in the pudding as many contributors that haven't yet disabled their portfolios are now confronting.
Reality is stubborn and no gibberish talk will hide a fact in capital letters. The disgraceful money grab they implemented from one day to the other without even having the face to confront the suppliers that made them rich.

This firm needs to go under so moroons like Oringer, Pavlosvsky, Getty,Klein.......get buried. People like them are a disgrace for the whole society.
 
The amount of criers in here is too high ... so does this single mother calculate the 2/3 by the reduction on the minimum earnings? Or was it another miscalculated mistake?

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 The percentage tier earnings seemed fair all along. I never understood why Shutterstock should be selling .22 and pay .38 to someone. Even paying 0.10 might put them at a loss here.




You people remind me of the American burger market, that consumers thought that 1/4 was bigger than 1/3 ...


So I should disable my port and not pay my rent this month because of your communist nonsense? How about NO? I am not trolling by stating accurate and mathematical truths and facts. You are trolling by bringing in your "emotions" to our serious business. At least for some of us it's serious.

Aren't you being a crier here? I mean, you just bashed the criers.

« Reply #78 on: June 06, 2020, 11:52 »
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What a liar and manipulator this astockphotographer088. He's saying that he has to pay a rent with SS earnings, so he won't disable his port. Level 4 can't afford to pay rent and make a living out of this job. i don't trust him anything.

« Reply #79 on: June 06, 2020, 13:51 »
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He is still the top lifestyle producer in the world and maybe the reason that lots of accounts stayed with Getty. Nobody is irreplaceable but for sure when content providers move their creations it has a big effect. You will see what this effect will have long term on Shutter. Thousands will move exclusive content to other sites or remain non exclusive and supply to Adobe Artgrid Stocksy etc.

This move will benefit their profits for sure the same that when Getty did similar but at least without the january reset. If you push enough that's the maximum you will get as a big favour from them.

What I am noticing since I disabled my portfolio is that my video sales have a "not normal" growth in sales at Adobe and P5. Every single sale over 28$ to 90$ net, no pennies. Maybe luck but it might be a possibility that some customers not finding their lightboxed content in Shutter look for it in the competing agencies. Imagine that by thousands of contributors. Not very clever piss off your contributors and send away your clients to your competition.

As I said give it time (1-3 years) and Shutter will lose their leadership as a content provider.
Sometimes profiting short term has this undesirables consequences........

You saw how quickly eyeidea pulled his port, you see in the forums ports with 50 000 files being disabled.

Yea ok, but big contributors pull themselves out all the time. Arcurs also pulled 80k images out of SS back in the day and went exclusive on iStock. His quality was top also. But after some years, SS received other studios of 500k images that delivered an equal or better quality than Arcurs.
« Last Edit: June 06, 2020, 14:17 by everest »

« Reply #80 on: June 06, 2020, 14:03 »
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If he lives in the Ukraine or any other eastern european country the living costs and wages specially on lifestyle model shoots can make a few thousands a month (if he makes that) go a long way. In Western Europe and USA you can surely not get a proper return on yours costs at this ridicolous commissions.  Thats a reason why big names in this industry are also taking a stance and might well move to greener pastures........Shutter is alienating the big and small players. A shitstorm that will damage them deeply . But hey if the numbers work for him let him dance along to the playing melody........

What a liar and manipulator this astockphotographer088. He's saying that he has to pay a rent with SS earnings, so he won't disable his port. Level 4 can't afford to pay rent and make a living out of this job. i don't trust him anything.

anon20200611

« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2020, 18:14 »
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If he lives in the Ukraine or any other eastern european country the living costs and wages specially on lifestyle model shoots can make a few thousands a month (if he makes that) go a long way. In Western Europe and USA you can surely not get a proper return on yours costs at this ridicolous commissions.  Thats a reason why big names in this industry are also taking a stance and might well move to greener pastures........Shutter is alienating the big and small players. A shitstorm that will damage them deeply . But hey if the numbers work for him let him dance along to the playing melody........

Dude I share what I want to share. I am not the matter here. The general contributor attitude is. Some come here to be competitive towards people that are sharing truthfully. Anyway, the RPD should be calculated and it's the sole indicator of the tier system performance. Some say -50%, some say -5% ... go figure.

« Reply #82 on: June 07, 2020, 02:45 »
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If he lives in the Ukraine or any other eastern european country the living costs and wages specially on lifestyle model shoots can make a few thousands a month (if he makes that) go a long way. In Western Europe and USA you can surely not get a proper return on yours costs at this ridicolous commissions.  Thats a reason why big names in this industry are also taking a stance and might well move to greener pastures........Shutter is alienating the big and small players. A shitstorm that will damage them deeply . But hey if the numbers work for him let him dance along to the playing melody........

Dude I share what I want to share. I am not the matter here. The general contributor attitude is. Some come here to be competitive towards people that are sharing truthfully. Anyway, the RPD should be calculated and it's the sole indicator of the tier system performance. Some say -50%, some say -5% ... go figure.
Actually the true indicator of performance is total income earnt. You can't buy many burgers with a high RPD if you have only sold 1 image.

« Reply #83 on: June 07, 2020, 03:54 »
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I very much doubt they will do anything for this poor mother! if they do they would have to do the same for a number of sad cases! This should never have happened in the first place.
Makes me want to puke all over their imbecile and greedy management!

« Reply #84 on: June 07, 2020, 08:56 »
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A few uncivil posts were removed from this thread

« Reply #85 on: June 07, 2020, 12:29 »
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We don't know what she does and what her task are though. Surely just being a forum admin can't be all? She literally doesn't do more than 5 posts a week and questions and PMs towards her stay unanswered.

Speaking of Kate, have you seen her photo and video ports? I'm far from impressed. Very mediocre stuff. Obviously, the new payment system affects her too as she is also a contributor but I doubt she cares.

« Reply #86 on: June 07, 2020, 14:42 »
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We don't know what she does and what her task are though. Surely just being a forum admin can't be all? She literally doesn't do more than 5 posts a week and questions and PMs towards her stay unanswered.

Speaking of Kate, have you seen her photo and video ports? I'm far from impressed. Very mediocre stuff. Obviously, the new payment system affects her too as she is also a contributor but I doubt she cares.

That goes for every employer at SS or any other agency for that matter. Even Jon's portfolio is far below standard. I always thought they should set an example but you can tell they have better things to do such as deleting messages.


 

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