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« on: December 16, 2020, 10:03 »
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Just to show, SS dont care about how big you are! If you violate Terms of service...youre in trouble.

I feel bad for Pat and BB (not getting into weather BB is the place to go to or not)
The guy tries his best to run a clean operation.

Im also glad to see that SS takes things very professionally. 900K clips, gone, I think its temporary.



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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2020, 10:56 »
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Just to show, SS dont care about how big you are! If you violate Terms of service...youre in trouble.

I feel bad for Pat and BB (not getting into weather BB is the place to go to or not)
The guy tries his best to run a clean operation.

Im also glad to see that SS takes things very professionally. 900K clips, gone, I think its temporary.



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After reading the other version of this, somewhere else, I think your observations are more logical and fair. If true, someone uploaded through Blackbox and submitted stolen clips, so the whole account was locked. Pretty tough deal, since that means everyone else just got punished for what one dipstick did.

Kind of makes you wonder about others like this, say Wirestock? I have nothing sent to SS, but others have that for the faster gain in rank and higher commissions, even with giving away 15% to the distribution agent.

« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2020, 01:38 »
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So it's like.. Share the profit, share the punishment. If its true then it teaches that if you can take benefits of higher commission by uploading in a mass, you will have to bear its side effects too as a group.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2020, 11:27 »
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So it's like.. Share the profit, share the punishment. If its true then it teaches that if you can take benefits of higher commission by uploading in a mass, you will have to bear its side effects too as a group.

Well stated.

« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2020, 11:41 »
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So it's like.. Share the profit, share the punishment. If its true then it teaches that if you can take benefits of higher commission by uploading in a mass, you will have to bear its side effects too as a group.
The more lucrative world of stock footage compared to photos, and now that you can download an endless amount of 4K clips from sub sites


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« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2020, 18:44 »
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SS dont care about how big you are!

i think that much was clear when they told that danish knob to feck off when he demanded a higher pay out

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2020, 07:01 »
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Just to show, SS dont care about how big you are! If you violate Terms of service...youre in trouble.

I feel bad for Pat and BB (not getting into weather BB is the place to go to or not)
The guy tries his best to run a clean operation.

Im also glad to see that SS takes things very professionally. 900K clips, gone, I think its temporary.



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You call that professional? I call it laziness. Culling an entire port, punishing innocent BB contributors for some bad apples? It only shows (once again) that SS doesn't give a crap about people's livelihoods. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for fighting copyright infringement and BB should have been curating better, but at the same time SS continues to allow smaller thieves to upload blurred stolen photos and other obviously stolen content. SS is nothing more than an greedy corporation where contributors are nothing more than a statistic.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2021, 11:45 »
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Seems like only the negatives get posted now?

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2021, 12:16 »
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Just to show, SS dont care about how big you are! If you violate Terms of service...youre in trouble.

I feel bad for Pat and BB (not getting into weather BB is the place to go to or not)
The guy tries his best to run a clean operation.

Im also glad to see that SS takes things very professionally. 900K clips, gone, I think its temporary.



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You call that professional? I call it laziness. Culling an entire port, punishing innocent BB contributors for some bad apples? It only shows (once again) that SS doesn't give a crap about people's livelihoods. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for fighting copyright infringement and BB should have been curating better, but at the same time SS continues to allow smaller thieves to upload blurred stolen photos and other obviously stolen content. SS is nothing more than an greedy corporation where contributors are nothing more than a statistic.

Well spoken! and thats exactly how it is! SS allow thieves to work their way into the machinery and don't give a crap untill theyre found out and then all others gets punished along with them!

« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2021, 12:44 »
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Sorry guys, but which way around is it now?

Usually, when a port is found to have stolen content, everyone gets upset that only the stolen images/videos get taken down, but the thief's account with the rest of the (usually also most likely stolen) content stays online.

And now Shutterstock took the whole account down because it containt stolen content and you are also upset about it?

You have one account, you post stolen content, your account gets taken down - that's how it should be.

And if you have a joined account, because you want to profit from it by higher ranks, you also have the risk and the possible consequences that comes along with it. You expect SS to always know when someone submits stolen content and take actions, but you don't make the same expectations of someone who creates a joined account and accepts content from other people - basically exactly what SS is doing, just on a lower scale. Whoever uploads these images is responsible for the content and has to make sure it's not stolen. And if you fail at that, you also have to deal with the consequences.
 I am rather surprised that they took down the whole account, because unfortunately that's exactly what they don't do with ports with stolen content.
« Last Edit: January 07, 2021, 12:49 by Firn »

« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2021, 15:23 »
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 I am rather surprised that they took down the whole account, because unfortunately that's exactly what they don't do with ports with stolen content.

Exactly, they're very slow to act, if at all normally.  However, its what they should do.

Blackbox is just another user.  If that user has stolen content, the account gets blocked.
There's nothing else they can do - they dont know what actual person was responsible for the upload and the legal contract is between SS and Blackbox.

Its a risk you run if you cede all control of your content and earnings to a 3rd party.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2021, 19:43 »
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Sorry guys, but which way around is it now?

Usually, when a port is found to have stolen content, everyone gets upset that only the stolen images/videos get taken down, but the thief's account with the rest of the (usually also most likely stolen) content stays online.

And now Shutterstock took the whole account down because it containt stolen content and you are also upset about it?

You have one account, you post stolen content, your account gets taken down - that's how it should be.

And if you have a joined account, because you want to profit from it by higher ranks, you also have the risk and the possible consequences that comes along with it. You expect SS to always know when someone submits stolen content and take actions, but you don't make the same expectations of someone who creates a joined account and accepts content from other people - basically exactly what SS is doing, just on a lower scale. Whoever uploads these images is responsible for the content and has to make sure it's not stolen. And if you fail at that, you also have to deal with the consequences.
 I am rather surprised that they took down the whole account, because unfortunately that's exactly what they don't do with ports with stolen content.

Yes and no and maybe and, I don't know because it doesn't matter. Someone will be upset if they do act and then be upset if they don't act fast enough.  ::) I think you have it right. I'll put it this way, "damned if you do and damned if you don't" anything Shutterstock does will be flawed or attacked.

Someone filed a DMCA, that's different from us writing and complaining to compliance, when It's not our images. Pretty straight forward. So SS took down the portfolio that had the illegal content. After they investigated. Doesn't matter if it's me or Mr. Big or a group or a submission agency, we're all the same. If there are stolen images, the whole account is responsible.


Blackbox is just another user.  If that user has stolen content, the account gets blocked.
There's nothing else they can do - they dont know what actual person was responsible for the upload and the legal contract is between SS and Blackbox.

Its a risk you run if you cede all control of your content and earnings to a 3rd party.


They are "slow to act" because they error on the side of caution, protecting people from false claims or frivolous attacks, where someone could be reporting just getting revenge. Would any of the people claiming they are slow, like it personally, if anyone can write and say "this is stolen from me" and the first thing SS did was shut down the portfolio and then ask questions later.

Hey wait, when people do get shut down, what the first thing they do? Come here and write there and say "SS shut me down for no reason, I did nothing wrong!" and then people pile on how SS is unfair and shut down an innocent person.

Which way do we want it? Hang em and have a fair trial later, or have an investigation and see what the situation is, then act? There is no both or depends on personal feelings. One or the other.


« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2021, 08:26 »
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4-6 weeks of accounts containing 100% stolen items isnt "slow to act".  Its unwilling to act.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2021, 10:16 »
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4-6 weeks of accounts containing 100% stolen items isnt "slow to act".  Its unwilling to act.

No, slow to act is never removing someone like the blurred images from videos. Bad taste is when they have (I don't know if this actually happened?) only remove the offending image. Bad ethics is when they hide behind a DMCA notice which needs to come from the artist, or the response that is vaguely disguised as a threat towards people who file

But we're talking about Blackbox and the facts not assorted history.

I'll take your response as they should close accounts as soon as they get a complaint, and investigate for facts later? In which case you also agree that the Blackbox account being closed was the right way to handle this?

« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2021, 19:03 »
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I'll take your response as they should close accounts as soon as they get a complaint, and investigate for facts later? In which case you also agree that the Blackbox account being closed was the right way to handle this?

One complaint no, you give the person time to prove ownership.  5 working days max should it.
But in the event of multiple complaints from multiple people, once verified it should be suspended immediately until proven.

Theres a balance between doing nothing at all or being open to malicious abuse.

Absolutely nothing needs weeks or months or multiple complaints to sort out.
Other agencies manage this just fine.


 

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