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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2015, 17:56 »
+3
See the graph below with my RPD expressed in $cents.
As you can see is more than 40c

No matter how you look at it, IS is the worst agency. By far.
(I removed 123 and DT from the graph since they often break the ceiling with RPDs around 150c or more)
Funny, my subs at iStock are what I think of as the floor and still they're higher than your broken ceiling.
So your work is not worth $1, but $2. And you claim you don't sell yourself cheap. Lol.

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There is quite a difference between $6 RPD and less than $1 RPD, not that it's great but it's much better.  People wooyaying for 76 cents RPD is why all the sites RPD is going down.  Next will be SS when they try to compete with Adobe.


« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2015, 18:00 »
+2
See the graph below with my RPD expressed in $cents.
As you can see is more than 40c

No matter how you look at it, IS is the worst agency. By far.
(I removed 123 and DT from the graph since they often break the ceiling with RPDs around 150c or more)
Funny, my subs at iStock are what I think of as the floor and still they're higher than your broken ceiling.
So your work is not worth $1, but $2. And you claim you don't sell yourself cheap. Lol.

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There is quite a difference between $6 RPD and less than $1 RPD, not that it's great but it's much better.  People wooyaying for 76 cents RPD is why all the sites RPD is going down.  Next will be SS when they try to compete with Adobe.
Nope. You sell yourself cheaply,  since you accept selling subs for ~$2 or less.

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« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 18:03 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2015, 18:20 »
+1
See the graph below with my RPD expressed in $cents.
As you can see is more than 40c

No matter how you look at it, IS is the worst agency. By far.
(I removed 123 and DT from the graph since they often break the ceiling with RPDs around 150c or more)
Funny, my subs at iStock are what I think of as the floor and still they're higher than your broken ceiling.
So your work is not worth $1, but $2. And you claim you don't sell yourself cheap. Lol.

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There is quite a difference between $6 RPD and less than $1 RPD, not that it's great but it's much better.  People wooyaying for 76 cents RPD is why all the sites RPD is going down.  Next will be SS when they try to compete with Adobe.
Nope. You sell yourself cheaply,  since you accept selling subs for ~$2 or less.

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It is cheap but sub sites are so popular with contributors that it's the new reality.  My sub sales are still higher on average than your subs, ELs, credits sales, etc...  I think it won't be long before you see your RPD going down at Shutterstock along with sales when buyers switch to the even cheaper Adobe.  At some point you'll see what's happening, but being a hobbyist maybe you won't mind.

stock-will-eat-itself

« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2015, 18:42 »
+1
See the graph below with my RPD expressed in $cents.
As you can see is more than 40c

No matter how you look at it, IS is the worst agency. By far.
(I removed 123 and DT from the graph since they often break the ceiling with RPDs around 150c or more)

Just out of interest how do your Getty sales compare to your iStock income, percentage wise. 
Funny, my subs at iStock are what I think of as the floor and still they're higher than your broken ceiling.
So your work is not worth $1, but $2. And you claim you don't sell yourself cheap. Lol.

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There is quite a difference between $6 RPD and less than $1 RPD, not that it's great but it's much better.  People wooyaying for 76 cents RPD is why all the sites RPD is going down.  Next will be SS when they try to compete with Adobe.

Just out of interest how do you Getty sales compare to your iStock income?
Percentage wise how much does Getty sales top up.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 18:44 by stock-will-eat-itself »

« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2015, 18:44 »
+6
See the graph below with my RPD expressed in $cents.
As you can see is more than 40c

No matter how you look at it, IS is the worst agency. By far.
(I removed 123 and DT from the graph since they often break the ceiling with RPDs around 150c or more)
Funny, my subs at iStock are what I think of as the floor and still they're higher than your broken ceiling.
So your work is not worth $1, but $2. And you claim you don't sell yourself cheap. Lol.

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There is quite a difference between $6 RPD and less than $1 RPD, not that it's great but it's much better.  People wooyaying for 76 cents RPD is why all the sites RPD is going down.  Next will be SS when they try to compete with Adobe.
Nope. You sell yourself cheaply,  since you accept selling subs for ~$2 or less.

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It is cheap but sub sites are so popular with contributors that it's the new reality.  My sub sales are still higher on average than your subs, ELs, credits sales, etc...  I think it won't be long before you see your RPD going down at Shutterstock along with sales when buyers switch to the even cheaper Adobe.  At some point you'll see what's happening, but being a hobbyist maybe you won't mind.
Lik and his friends are laughing at this discussion.
My RPD is bigger than yours, lol. :P

In my world, there is no difference between selling for 38c or selling for $1. What matters is the end of the month, when you check your bottom line.

So please, stop with this superiority, when, in the grand scheme of things, you are no better than the rest of us. Cheap is cheap be it a 50c or a $2 peanut.

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« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 18:59 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2015, 19:01 »
0
See the graph below with my RPD expressed in $cents.
As you can see is more than 40c

No matter how you look at it, IS is the worst agency. By far.
(I removed 123 and DT from the graph since they often break the ceiling with RPDs around 150c or more)

Just out of interest how do your Getty sales compare to your iStock income, percentage wise. 
Funny, my subs at iStock are what I think of as the floor and still they're higher than your broken ceiling.
So your work is not worth $1, but $2. And you claim you don't sell yourself cheap. Lol.

Sent from my SM-N910T using Tapatalk
There is quite a difference between $6 RPD and less than $1 RPD, not that it's great but it's much better.  People wooyaying for 76 cents RPD is why all the sites RPD is going down.  Next will be SS when they try to compete with Adobe.

Just out of interest how do you Getty sales compare to your iStock income?
Percentage wise how much does Getty sales top up.
Getty is 25-33% most months. 

This has moved a bit off topic so I'll try to move it back.  Expect SS sales to decrease now because of summer and in the coming months because of Adobe.

Hongover

« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2015, 19:26 »
+2
This has moved a bit off topic so I'll try to move it back.  Expect SS sales to decrease now because of summer and in the coming months because of Adobe.

We'll see if SS goes anywhere. They're projected to earn over $100 million in revenue in the 2nd quarter and a 2% increase from first quarter.

Fotolia has been losing a lot of traffic lately and thy had roughly 250k users in June. Adobe stock also had about 250k users in June, while SS had over 2.7 million users. In order for Adobe stock to be a threat, they need to have close to 500K users for July. We won't know for a few more days.


« Reply #57 on: July 28, 2015, 20:19 »
+5
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.

ShadySue

« Reply #58 on: July 28, 2015, 20:28 »
+2
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.
I'm sure people on subs can't change that quickly.
I also don't see that it will hit SS more than other subs sites - they'll all take some sort of hit.

« Reply #59 on: July 28, 2015, 20:37 »
0
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.
It's only been a few weeks, many subscribers have year long agreements so even if 50% of Shutterstock buyers were going to leave you probably wouldn't notice for a couple more months. 

« Reply #60 on: July 28, 2015, 21:02 »
0
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.
It's only been a few weeks, many subscribers have year long agreements so even if 50% of Shutterstock buyers were going to leave you probably wouldn't notice for a couple more months.

Actually, as you can see in the graph I posted above, my FT RPD has increased since the Adobe announcement. Only time will tell if your somber predictions will be confirmed.
For the time being, I have no reasons to worry.

« Reply #61 on: July 28, 2015, 21:05 »
+1
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.
It's only been a few weeks, many subscribers have year long agreements so even if 50% of Shutterstock buyers were going to leave you probably wouldn't notice for a couple more months.

Actually, as you can see in the graph I posted above, my FT RPD has increased since the Adobe announcement. Only time will tell if your somber predictions will be confirmed.
RPD isn't going to go up when people switch to Adobe.  Adobe pays exactly the same for subs as Fotolia and less for many of the other sales.  Since you only license a small number of files there will be variation in RPD depending on a few larger credit sales. 
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 21:08 by tickstock »

« Reply #62 on: July 28, 2015, 21:07 »
0
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.
It's only been a few weeks, many subscribers have year long agreements so even if 50% of Shutterstock buyers were going to leave you probably wouldn't notice for a couple more months.

Actually, as you can see in the graph I posted above, my FT RPD has increased since the Adobe announcement. Only time will tell if your somber predictions will be confirmed.
RPD isn't going to go up when people switch to Adobe.  Adobe pays exactly the same for subs as Fotolia and less for many of the other sales.

Well, it does, for the time being, at least in my case. Maybe because I see more of these $0.99 sales instead of $0.29.

« Reply #63 on: July 28, 2015, 21:16 »
+1
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.
It's only been a few weeks, many subscribers have year long agreements so even if 50% of Shutterstock buyers were going to leave you probably wouldn't notice for a couple more months.

Actually, as you can see in the graph I posted above, my FT RPD has increased since the Adobe announcement. Only time will tell if your somber predictions will be confirmed.
RPD isn't going to go up when people switch to Adobe.  Adobe pays exactly the same for subs as Fotolia and less for many of the other sales.

Well, it does, for the time being, at least in my case. Maybe because I see more of these $0.99 sales instead of $0.29.
Like I said with just a few sales RPD can vary a lot.  Maybe the OP is losing out on those $3 sales at SS and you're getting them at 99 cents from Adobe?

« Reply #64 on: July 28, 2015, 21:17 »
0
I still sell more licenses before noon on Shutterstock than I do on Fotolia for the whole week. So I'm not sure where this big threat is coming from. It hasn't panned out.
It's only been a few weeks, many subscribers have year long agreements so even if 50% of Shutterstock buyers were going to leave you probably wouldn't notice for a couple more months.

Actually, as you can see in the graph I posted above, my FT RPD has increased since the Adobe announcement. Only time will tell if your somber predictions will be confirmed.
RPD isn't going to go up when people switch to Adobe.  Adobe pays exactly the same for subs as Fotolia and less for many of the other sales.

Well, it does, for the time being, at least in my case. Maybe because I see more of these $0.99 sales instead of $0.29.
Like I said with just a few sales RPD can vary a lot.  Maybe the OP is losing out on those $3 sales at SS and you're getting them at 99 cents from Adobe?
Or not. I might even be on track for a SS BME. Let's see how good these last 3 full days will be. In any case, July is a good month @ SS (I assume you are talking about those $2.85 ODDs, since we don't have $3 sales @ SS)
« Last Edit: July 28, 2015, 21:29 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #65 on: July 28, 2015, 21:37 »
0
Yep, $2.85 I rounded for simplicity.  I just saw SS changed their earnings schedule page.  Custom Images are new aren't they?

« Reply #66 on: July 28, 2015, 22:04 »
+1
Yep, $2.85 I rounded for simplicity.  I just saw SS changed their earnings schedule page.  Custom Images are new aren't they?

No. They've had them for a few years now. They post under the SOD column.


« Reply #67 on: July 28, 2015, 22:11 »
0
They've had SODs now they are calling them Custom Images, that's new isn't it?

« Reply #68 on: July 29, 2015, 02:18 »
0
They've had SODs now they are calling them Custom Images, that's new isn't it?

Yes, looks like they changed the wording. Numbers did not change though.

« Reply #69 on: July 29, 2015, 15:55 »
0
See the graph below with my RPD expressed in $cents.
As you can see is more than 40c

No matter how you look at it, IS is the worst agency. By far.
(I removed 123 and DT from the graph since they often break the ceiling with RPDs around 150c or more)

Just out of interest how do your Getty sales compare to your iStock income, percentage wise. 
Funny, my subs at iStock are what I think of as the floor and still they're higher than your broken ceiling.
So your work is not worth $1, but $2. And you claim you don't sell yourself cheap. Lol.

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There is quite a difference between $6 RPD and less than $1 RPD, not that it's great but it's much better.  People wooyaying for 76 cents RPD is why all the sites RPD is going down.  Next will be SS when they try to compete with Adobe.

Just out of interest how do you Getty sales compare to your iStock income?
Percentage wise how much does Getty sales top up.
Getty is 25-33% most months. 

This has moved a bit off topic so I'll try to move it back.  Expect SS sales to decrease now because of summer and in the coming months because of Adobe.

I expect your right about SS sales decreasing, but even if they decrease by 50% they will still be much higher than my istock sales are now.  And istock will be hit by the same issue so expect your IS sales to drop too. 
« Last Edit: July 29, 2015, 16:03 by PixelBytes »

« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2015, 17:18 »
+2
They've had SODs now they are calling them Custom Images, that's new isn't it?
Right. I just got one worth $102.00
Who cares how they call them? :)

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« Reply #71 on: July 29, 2015, 17:32 »
+1
I expect your right about SS sales decreasing, but even if they decrease by 50% they will still be much higher than my istock sales are now.  And istock will be hit by the same issue so expect your IS sales to drop too.
iStock exclusives probably aren't going to be contributing to Adobe.  I'm already doing all I can to stay away from there.  It's nonexclusives who have to decide if they would rather have sales at SS or Adobe.  I'd stay away from Adobe as a SS contributor, it's easy to see what will happen if people don't.

« Reply #72 on: July 29, 2015, 17:36 »
+1
They've had SODs now they are calling them Custom Images, that's new isn't it?
Right. I just got one worth $102.00
Who cares how they call them? :)

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Who cares what they call them unless what they call them changes what they are.  Some sites have "subs" that are really not subs at all but by calling them that they can justify paying sub royalties, that's happened a few times on various sites.  I'm not saying SS is going to do something like that but it's best to keep yourself aware of these kinds of changes just in case.

« Reply #73 on: July 29, 2015, 18:19 »
+7
I expect your right about SS sales decreasing, but even if they decrease by 50% they will still be much higher than my istock sales are now.  And istock will be hit by the same issue so expect your IS sales to drop too.
iStock exclusives probably aren't going to be contributing to Adobe.  I'm already doing all I can to stay away from there.  It's nonexclusives who have to decide if they would rather have sales at SS or Adobe.  I'd stay away from Adobe as a SS contributor, it's easy to see what will happen if people don't.

It doesn't really work that way. Pulling my images off Fotolia is not going to equal more sales on Shutterstock. People aren't shopping on one site or another because my images are there. They're choosing a site based on the content of the entire library, the quality of the search engine and the price.

The most important thing for buyers is finding images that will do the job they want. They will go to the site that makes that happen most often. I need to have my images in both places to hedge my bets, but I think Shutterstock still has Fotolia beat on search and content. For the time being, anyway. 

« Reply #74 on: July 29, 2015, 18:36 »
+3
I expect your right about SS sales decreasing, but even if they decrease by 50% they will still be much higher than my istock sales are now.  And istock will be hit by the same issue so expect your IS sales to drop too.
iStock exclusives probably aren't going to be contributing to Adobe.  I'm already doing all I can to stay away from there.  It's nonexclusives who have to decide if they would rather have sales at SS or Adobe.  I'd stay away from Adobe as a SS contributor, it's easy to see what will happen if people don't.

It doesn't really work that way. Pulling my images off Fotolia is not going to equal more sales on Shutterstock. People aren't shopping on one site or another because my images are there. They're choosing a site based on the content of the entire library, the quality of the search engine and the price.

The most important thing for buyers is finding images that will do the job they want. They will go to the site that makes that happen most often. I need to have my images in both places to hedge my bets, but I think Shutterstock still has Fotolia beat on search and content. For the time being, anyway.
Sounds like a contradiction to me.  Your images are part the entire library and our images are the entirety of it.  If your images are on one site and not the other and they are the ones buyers need then buyers will go to that site.  If you produce copycat images then you're right it doesn't matter which sites you're on.  Maybe it won't matter if one or two unique portfolios go to SS and don't go to Adobe but if a lot of contributors do then it will make a difference.  I think we should as individuals take responsibility for what we do.


 

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