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Agency Based Discussion => Shutterstock.com => Topic started by: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 10:58

Title: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 10:58
I submitted a concept shot containing a world globe.  SS rejected it as containing a trademark or copyright.  There is no trademark or manufacturer's name visible   SS already has lots of images of political globes with labelling and marking clearly visible.    So what's the deal now?
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: vonkara on January 20, 2010, 11:01
Can we see the image ?
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 11:09
Just trust me.  There's no manufacturer's name or logo, just the names of countries and cities.  I've been all over it.
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: vonkara on January 20, 2010, 11:16
Oh gocha... I thought you meant a planet earth image. Back when I started I had many open books images accepted, then they started rejecting them with a notice saying "book text is copyrighted". Since globes are text work and design work, I guess they might get more strict toward those images.

Though you are right, many maps even maybe globe pics have been accepted before.
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: WarrenPrice on January 20, 2010, 11:26
My nautical charts are rejected for copyright/trademark at SS but accepted elsewhere.
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 11:27
I assume that's what's happening, although it's aggravating that they continue to sell similar images they already have.

Where does this end?  Every product in the world has been 'designed'.  Look around you and virtually every man-made object in your field of view has probably had its appearance created or modified by a designer.  A chair. A house. A car. A fork.   In fact there's more 'design' in a table fork than on this cheap kid's globe.
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: vonkara on January 20, 2010, 11:36
Like cars started to be removed lately... I had many cars images removed at SS (ambulance, police cars, limousine also). This partly made me going exclusive, because all those were good sellers.

If Istock start to remove medal images one day, I'm owned!! Medals and cars were like 30% of my portfolio at SS and 60% of my sales.

Vehicle were not a good subject after all. It take 3 hours to edit for each images and now they are not even in my Istock portfolio and have been removed from SS. Sigh
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: MikLav on January 20, 2010, 15:55
Maps is a subject for rejection since very long time ago (years).

A simple workaround for conceptual pictures is to draw your own low-detail contour map.
Just to give you an example it took me around 10 minutes to hand-draw the world map used in that picture, using graphic tablet and one of existing world maps:
(http://thumb18.shutterstock.com.edgesuite.net/display_pic_with_logo/56290/56290,1235463507,5/stock-photo-declining-chart-successful-businessman-turning-into-troubles-25521916.jpg)
(the picture was made in 2006, I would have made it better now)

Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 19:36
As I understand it, NASA photos are in the public domain and could be used as part of a stock image.  I might be able redo this concept with a NASA photo of the earth from space.

I resubmitted my image as editorial.
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: vonkara on January 20, 2010, 19:44
Quote from: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 19:36
As I understand it, NASA photos are in the public domain and could be used as part of a stock image.  I might be able redo this concept with a NASA photo of the earth from space.

Exactly, though I find the Nasa image website hard to browse. I never found more than 4mpx planet earth there. But I'm bad for browsing
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: RacePhoto on January 20, 2010, 21:35
Quote from: Vonkara on January 20, 2010, 19:44
Quote from: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 19:36
As I understand it, NASA photos are in the public domain and could be used as part of a stock image.  I might be able redo this concept with a NASA photo of the earth from space.

Exactly, though I find the Nasa image website hard to browse. I never found more than 4mpx planet earth there. But I'm bad for browsing


Next time try "Planet earth nasa image" or something obvious like that?

Link:   http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=2429 (http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=2429)

(http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/2429/globe_east_540.jpg)

 Images & Animations

    * 540 x 540 JPEG (60.2KB)
    * 540 x 540 JPEG (64.5KB)
    * 2048 x 2048 JPEG (523.7KB)
    * 2048 x 2048 JPEG (579.4KB)
    * 2048 x 2048 TIFF (7.1MB)
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: willie on January 21, 2010, 13:07
Quote from: RacePhoto on January 20, 2010, 21:35
Quote from: Vonkara on January 20, 2010, 19:44
Quote from: stockastic on January 20, 2010, 19:36
As I understand it, NASA photos are in the public domain and could be used as part of a stock image.  I might be able redo this concept with a NASA photo of the earth from space.

Exactly, though I find the Nasa image website hard to browse. I never found more than 4mpx planet earth there. But I'm bad for browsing


Next time try "Planet earth nasa image" or something obvious like that?

Link:   [url]http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=2429[/url] ([url]http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view_rec.php?id=2429[/url])

([url]http://veimages.gsfc.nasa.gov/2429/globe_east_540.jpg[/url])

 Images & Animations

    * 540 x 540 JPEG (60.2KB)
    * 540 x 540 JPEG (64.5KB)
    * 2048 x 2048 JPEG (523.7KB)
    * 2048 x 2048 JPEG (579.4KB)
    * 2048 x 2048 TIFF (7.1MB)



hmm, really interesting...

Race,

i am not sure how this PDI entitles anyone to use them for stock.
there is a line (at least i know IS has it) that says, I AM THE OWNER OF THIS IMAGE
or other sites do stipulate THIS IMAGE WAS MADE BY ME...
or words to the effect.

if PD means everyone can use them, it's certainly not (to my knowledge) meant to be used for stock.
if so, all the PD images risk losing their copyright.
you now own the copyright once you included it in your image, right?

ie. you COPY it to your image and now you own the RIGHT(s) ?   ;)
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: willie on January 21, 2010, 13:22
copy paste from NASA agreement (extract)

The NASA imagery offered on NASAIMAGES.ORG is generally not copyrighted. You may use this NASA imagery for educational or informational purposes, including photo collections, textbooks, public exhibits and Internet Web pages (personal or otherwise). This general permission does not extend to any use of the NASA insignia logo (the blue "meatball" insignia), the retired NASA logotype (the red "worm" logo) and the NASA seal (the "NASA Properties") whether or not used in conjunction with images obtained from NASAIMAGES.ORG. Notwithstanding the foregoing restriction, you may use the NASA name and the NASA initials only as indicators of the original source of the NASA imagery.

A credit line should be used in connection with the images and should read "NASA/courtesy of nasaimages.org."

If the NASA images obtained from NASAIMAGES.ORG are used for commercial purposes (including advertisements or packaging), such use may not suggest, either explicitly or implicitly, that NASA endorses any commercial goods or services.

Downloading and using images from NASAIMAGES.ORG does not grant you any ownership right in the image(s) and you must not claim rights in the images.


Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: vonkara on January 21, 2010, 16:41
Yea I have seen this one. It's what I have said... 2048x2048 is 4mpx. I'm sure there is 12mpx or even 16mpx images somewhere
Title: Re: a rejection I can't comprehend
Post by: RacePhoto on January 21, 2010, 23:09
Quote from: Vonkara on January 21, 2010, 16:41
Yea I have seen this one. It's what I have said... 2048x2048 is 4mpx. I'm sure there is 12mpx or even 16mpx images somewhere


The answer was more to point out that there are free planet Earth images that can be incorporated in RF creations. Not that people should steal NASA images and upload them "AS IS" for sale, which was being done until last year on some sites and may still be being done by some.

The world map that so many use as a background is from NASA. There has never been a rejection by any agency (that I know of) for doing this.

Should that be too complicated, go to Wikipedia:

I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby release it into the public domain. This applies worldwide.
In case this is not legally possible:
I grant anyone the right to use this work for any purpose, without any conditions, unless such conditions are required by law.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7f/World_Map_flat_Mercator.png/120px-World_Map_flat_Mercator.png)