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« on: December 13, 2016, 15:36 »
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k_t_g

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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2016, 17:03 »
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So terrible. I hope this all get cleared up pronto.

Noedelhap

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2016, 17:29 »
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I assume you have contacted them immediately with proof you made the photos? It's weird that the concept 'innocent until proven guilty' doesn't exist at SS, but if you're the rightful owner, they should reinstate your account ASAP.

« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2016, 17:31 »
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I see under each image a link to the DMCA copyright complain form, that clearly shows that they are expecting some work to be stolen. Did you file a complain with them?

I see it's uploaded by a Chinese user (zcool.com.cn), can't even understand the page just when translated.
What a mess. Hope you can clear your name soon.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 17:38 by Dodie »

BD

« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2016, 18:05 »
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It also says on their license information: "All of the resources are uploaded by users and public sources on the internet. Please check licence information on each resource you download."

License is misspelled. Very professional.

I hope it gets sorted out for you.

Edit: It looks like it is associated with this site (based on the website design and misspelling "licence information" on the bottom of the site: http://buysellgraphic.com/

On that site they are selling graphics. It looks like all you have to do to sell on that site is connect to Facebook...

« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 18:26 by BD »

ShadySue

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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2016, 19:09 »
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POI: Licence is the noun, license is the verb. So 'licence information" is correct.

Sorry for being OT.
Back to the important issue of this thread. Hope the OP gets it resolved soon.

BD

« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2016, 19:32 »
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POI: Licence is the noun, license is the verb. So 'licence information" is correct.

Sorry for being OT.
Back to the important issue of this thread. Hope the OP gets it resolved soon.

Not in the US. I did not know it was different in the UK though. Thank you for clarifying.

Also if you click on "licence information" on the bottom the page of the original site posted it takes you to a page labeled "license information." They misspelled it. There are multiple grammar mistakes. It is as though the sites were thrown together or possibly made by someone who did not speak English and didn't bother to have this checked. It only helps the poster. If the site wasn't checking their grammar, how likely were they to check who owns the copyright of the uploaded images?
« Last Edit: December 13, 2016, 19:43 by BD »

« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2016, 23:28 »
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This is very sad, though I still can see your portfolio online.
Did you further contacted shutterstock regarding it? or just let it go.

« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2016, 03:45 »
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I did write to theme. But problem is thet every day without sales for me is a lot of money. And i don't have any idea how long it'll take to get my photos back.
Another problem is thet anyone can put mine or yours photo on any wabsite and say that it is his/her photo. And then ss will automaticly disable your account.
I can understand with vectors (it can be similar), but if you have photo with all model release and they block your account becous some suspicious site where they found it - something is not ok here.

« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2016, 03:58 »
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They should get you back on line soon as long as you have the model release etc.

Someone must have sent them a fake DMCA claiming it is their photo. They wouldn't take you down because of a photo being on  all-free-download as that is a well known site full of stolen content.

« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2016, 04:16 »
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Unfortunetly that is the reason.
This is what they send me:
"Shutterstock has discovered that you are submitting images (56525047) to which you do not appear to own the copyright (http://all-free-download.com/free-photos/download/business-people-highdefinition-picture-hd-pictures_168044.html)."

« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2016, 04:26 »
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Unfortunetly that is the reason.
This is what they send me:
"Shutterstock has discovered that you are submitting images (56525047) to which you do not appear to own the copyright (http://all-free-download.com/free-photos/download/business-people-highdefinition-picture-hd-pictures_168044.html)."

That's nuts, are you sure it's genuinely from shutterstock? Can you log into your account? It's really weird that they would send you that link, even the wording seems odd to me.

« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2016, 04:33 »
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As it's a composite image you should be easily able to prove it's yours by providing the full res versions of each image. Especially if some of them aren't online individually. I hope they get you back online right away!

« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2016, 07:28 »
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As it's a composite image you should be easily able to prove it's yours by providing the full res versions of each image. Especially if some of them aren't online individually. I hope they get you back online right away!

yes - and providing out takes from the shots that haven't been uploaded

« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2016, 07:33 »
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I think someone hacked you. Is your port still online?

« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2016, 07:42 »
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As it's a composite image you should be easily able to prove it's yours by providing the full res versions of each image. Especially if some of them aren't online individually. I hope they get you back online right away!

yes - and providing out takes from the shots that haven't been uploaded
He's also got other shots of the same models and props in his portfolio. As long as he can account for every person in the composite in these ways plus release he should be back up and running no problem. Just sucks that he's lost all that income in the meantime.

« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2016, 07:59 »
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unbelievable



« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2016, 08:13 »
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« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2016, 08:15 »
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I still can see your portfolio here: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Valentyn+Volkov

Maybe your account is hacked or its a mischief of anyone. Its really hard to say shutterstock suspending the account just with that reason. All-free-download or any other free / gfx website is pure stolen content market, even I see mine as well as many popular contributor images being ripped off, such a shame to such website.

Send all the proofs to SS and I believe they will surely consider it. Shutterstock never takes any action unless someone is complaining about it.

« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2016, 08:21 »
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this him, not who you linked to I think

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Piotr+Marcinski

ETA, I see the mistake, OP was just linking to other people who have also had stolen work given away on the third party site. His portfolio is the one here. I think it could have been reinstated as I was having trouble accessing earlier and now it is back. If so congrats to the OP
« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 08:25 by Justanotherphotographer »

« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2016, 09:02 »
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this him, not who you linked to I think

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Piotr+Marcinski

ETA, I see the mistake, OP was just linking to other people who have also had stolen work given away on the third party site. His portfolio is the one here. I think it could have been reinstated as I was having trouble accessing earlier and now it is back. If so congrats to the OP

Images are visible but say they 'no longer exist' when you click on them. I hope this gets satisfactorily resolved promptly, as it's rotten to be in this position if you are actually innocent of the accusation, and the loss of income is potentially significant.

It's understandable that Shutterstock have to act decisively if there is a possibility that content is stolen, but I wish they would make it a little easier to be able to quickly and efficiently communicate and resolve such matters.

« Reply #21 on: December 14, 2016, 09:25 »
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this him, not who you linked to I think

https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Piotr+Marcinski

ETA, I see the mistake, OP was just linking to other people who have also had stolen work given away on the third party site. His portfolio is the one here. I think it could have been reinstated as I was having trouble accessing earlier and now it is back. If so congrats to the OP

Images are visible but say they 'no longer exist' when you click on them. I hope this gets satisfactorily resolved promptly, as it's rotten to be in this position if you are actually innocent of the accusation, and the loss of income is potentially significant.

It's understandable that Shutterstock have to act decisively if there is a possibility that content is stolen, but I wish they would make it a little easier to be able to quickly and efficiently communicate and resolve such matters.

I'm https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Piotr+Marcinski
I'm not able to login to my acount (even to forum). This photo was conected to other photos of same models (same model releases), but no one checked this. They just send me email that they are suspending my acount.
I send them email, but i didn't get any answer yet.

« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2016, 09:36 »
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You have 100K+ files at SS?


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Giveme5

« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2016, 09:50 »
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You have 100K+ files at SS?


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no wonder they were upset at being closed down! Roughing losing from $600 to $1,000 a day (business day)!

« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2016, 10:21 »
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On top of all the other outrageous aspects to this (the big one being that someone with a huge and longstanding Shutterstock portfolio has their account suspended without SS even bothering to ask for more information from the supposed copyright violator) the site is littered with affiliate links and SS advertising - images on search results with a blue box saying "Advertising" on the top right.

I'd like to see SS clamp down on the affiliates like all-free-download who earn money with stolen images as the bait. Or the gigs on Fiverr offering a pile of SS photos for $5 (they're still there).

On all-free-download I got a popup window with a shutterstock thumbnail in it. Clicking you go to SS with a search, and looking at the URL it says the source is:

&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Nguyen%20Duy%20Phi&utm_source=38874

Does that mean that Nguyen Duy Phi is the person behind this portfolio on all-free-download?

« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2016, 10:28 »
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I am able to click on the thumbnail and an image comes up with licensing prices and an option to DL.  I hope this means it has been fixed for you.

« Reply #26 on: December 14, 2016, 10:33 »
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You have 100K+ files at SS?


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no wonder they were upset at being closed down! Roughing losing from $600 to $1,000 a day (business day)!

Yes, this is upsetting and also a warning for other contributors that they can be terminated anytime without any explanation and notice. Its unsafe business now.


« Reply #27 on: December 14, 2016, 11:40 »
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I see this here:
http://all-free-download.com/free-photos/download/the-high-speed-train-picture_168538.html

I remember it being a very popular photo on SS many years ago... The "Author" listed here is zcool.com.cn

« Reply #28 on: December 14, 2016, 12:12 »
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does anyone started topic about this on SS forums?


« Reply #29 on: December 14, 2016, 15:26 »
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My portfolio is back online. 2 days ago i had over 197 000 files. Now i see only 84000, but i hope the rest of images will be back soon.

I'm still not able to login to my acount, but photos are on sale, so i think it'll be back soon.

Unfortunetly i'm not earning on my portfolio 600$ dayly at SS, and after may it's not even half of this. But SS is still best erner for me.

« Reply #30 on: December 14, 2016, 15:46 »
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If you have 197000 images of people and you're only earning $300 per day, something has gone very wrong. Perhaps you need to look at your keywording?

Giveme5

« Reply #31 on: December 14, 2016, 16:21 »
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I figure you should be making this daily via formula below-

$.1 per image per month = $19,700 

$19,700/30 days- $657 (rounded to the nearest day)


« Reply #32 on: December 14, 2016, 16:28 »
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H'mm I reckon it doesn't matter how many images you have its costs out vs income in that matters and as I have no idea of your business model I can't have a valid opinion of what you should or should not be making and nor can anyone else.

« Reply #33 on: December 14, 2016, 17:18 »
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I'm impressed by your numbers, but honestly, I wouldn't put up all those nudes and soft porn.  You're just asking for trouble.

Giveme5

« Reply #34 on: December 14, 2016, 17:56 »
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I'm impressed by your numbers, but honestly, I wouldn't put up all those nudes and soft porn.  You're just asking for trouble.


Good example of trouble---

http://petapixel.com/2015/01/11/help-sued-nearly-500000-model-photographed/

angelawaye

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« Reply #35 on: December 14, 2016, 22:03 »
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That is so scary but I'm happy to hear your port is back up. Gives me faith in SS.

« Reply #36 on: December 14, 2016, 23:22 »
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On all-free-download I got a popup window with a shutterstock thumbnail in it. Clicking you go to SS with a search, and looking at the URL it says the source is:

&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=Nguyen%20Duy%20Phi&utm_source=38874

Does that mean that Nguyen Duy Phi is the person behind this portfolio on all-free-download?

Actually, that means that's the affiliate account name (odd that it's a person and not a site) - so that's the account that generates the kickback from the Shutterstock affiliate program and thus probably the person behind all-free-download. You could complain to Shutterstock's Global Director of Affiliate Marketing...


Jch

« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2016, 06:43 »
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I am in the same situation as author of the post ( BDS ). The same day my account was disabled - the same reason. They found stolen images sold under thief name.

"Shutterstock has discovered that you are submitting images (119134195) to which you do not appear to own the copyright (http://www.dfiles.me/food-images-high-resolution.html [nofollow] and http://itop100songs.com/food-wallpapers/ [nofollow]). "

I sent e-mail explanation that I have raw file with camera serial number written but there is no answer up to now.

I found many stolen my and other photographers images.
http://all-free-download.com/free-photos/download/food-picture-02-hd-pictures_167557.html [nofollow]

Noedelhap

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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2016, 07:50 »
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That is so scary but I'm happy to hear your port is back up. Gives me faith in SS.

Meh. It just goes to show that SS thinks it can simply disable accounts "no questions asked" and rob the copyright holder of a few days of income without any compensation afterwards.

« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2016, 07:59 »
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I am in the same situation as author of the post ( BDS ). The same day my account was disabled - the same reason. They found stolen images sold under thief name.

"Shutterstock has discovered that you are submitting images (119134195) to which you do not appear to own the copyright (http://www.dfiles.me/food-images-high-resolution.html and http://itop100songs.com/food-wallpapers/). "

I sent e-mail explanation that I have raw file with camera serial number written but there is no answer up to now.

I found many stolen my and other photographers images.
http://all-free-download.com/free-photos/download/food-picture-02-hd-pictures_167557.html


what was your port size?

Jch

« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2016, 08:01 »
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25k

« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2016, 08:17 »
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That is so scary but I'm happy to hear your port is back up. Gives me faith in SS.

Meh. It just goes to show that SS thinks it can simply disable accounts "no questions asked" and rob the copyright holder of a few days of income without any compensation afterwards.

This is what happens when companies focus on money instead of people. They are so big now, they just don't care. Rake in the dough and don't worry about where it comes from...legitimate photographers or thieves...money is money.  >:(

angelawaye

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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2016, 10:25 »
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This is so scary! I see a lot of my work being given away for free. I spent so much time and energy fighting these websites I eventually gave up... It is so hard to stop these illegal websites. I think "regular" people don't realize it is all illegal too.

« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2016, 10:49 »
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I am in the same situation as author of the post ( BDS ). The same day my account was disabled - the same reason. They found stolen images sold under thief name.

"Shutterstock has discovered that you are submitting images (119134195) to which you do not appear to own the copyright (http://www.dfiles.me/food-images-high-resolution.html and http://itop100songs.com/food-wallpapers/). "

I sent e-mail explanation that I have raw file with camera serial number written but there is no answer up to now.

I found many stolen my and other photographers images.
http://all-free-download.com/free-photos/download/food-picture-02-hd-pictures_167557.html

Can you link to your portfolio on any other sites please. It make it much easier to investigate. As you've seen if you have nothing to hide this forum can actually help you gather evidence.

Sorry to be paranoid but there are literally hundreds of threads on here with people complaining about account suspensions or closures and I can only remember about three including the OP's turning out to actually be wrong calls.

Shelma1

« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2016, 10:52 »
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I see their site also includes a link to freevectorfinder.com, and sure enough, there's my stolen work. So it's not just photography.

Jch

« Reply #45 on: December 15, 2016, 10:54 »
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« Reply #46 on: December 15, 2016, 11:00 »
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Link to my site:

https://www.shutterstock.com/pl/g/jacek+chabraszewski
Thanks, what are they playing at! Again you clearly have the same props in many photographs and I can't find anyone else with the same images. I hope SS reinstate you right away, if you have the RAW files I don't see how they can't.

Have the thieving warez sites hit a new low DMCAing legit contributors when stolen work is put on their sites? If so SS needs to wake up like yesterday and side with their contributors. How can they even be referencing warez sites when emailing a contributor?!

How can they accept all the spam junk in other threads and suspend decent huge portfolios without even asking for evidence from the photographer.
You have my sympathies.


« Reply #47 on: December 15, 2016, 11:02 »
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By the way, I can access your portfolio no problem now so have they reinstated you to?

Shelma1

« Reply #48 on: December 15, 2016, 11:03 »
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Looks like that leads to Vecteezy.com, founded by Shawn Rubel, who lives in Kentucky.

http://www.eezy.com/team

https://www.facebook.com/shawnrubel?fref=ts

Jch

« Reply #49 on: December 15, 2016, 11:07 »
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By the way, I can access your portfolio no problem now so have they reinstated you to?

but you can't access the images

« Reply #50 on: December 15, 2016, 11:19 »
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Link to my site:

https://www.shutterstock.com/pl/g/jacek+chabraszewski

This is serious, I think ss shouldn't suddenly terminate the account. Atleast give them few days time to clarify things up first before banning it.
These warez sites are full of stolen works and we as a contributor already facing too much losses due to it.

Jch

« Reply #51 on: December 15, 2016, 11:34 »
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I have a problem with sending the RAW file to ss because it exceeds ( even after zipping) the allowable limit (of one file) their mail box. Only 25Mb. The Raw file includes the camera serial number written in exif which I took the photo and still I have .

« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2016, 11:58 »
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I have a problem with sending the RAW file to ss because it exceeds ( even after zipping) the allowable limit (of one file) their mail box. Only 25Mb. The Raw file includes the camera serial number written in exif which I took the photo and still I have .
Let them know you have it and they should provide a way to upload via an ftp address or dropbox or something. They need to get this sorted for you. Frankly it's disgraceful that they would even think to link to a site giving your work away for free to justify suspending your account. Have you tried phoning them?

« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2016, 12:22 »
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I have a problem with sending the RAW file to ss because it exceeds ( even after zipping) the allowable limit (of one file) their mail box. Only 25Mb. The Raw file includes the camera serial number written in exif which I took the photo and still I have .
Let them know you have it and they should provide a way to upload via an ftp address or dropbox or something. They need to get this sorted for you. Frankly it's disgraceful that they would even think to link to a site giving your work away for free to justify suspending your account. Have you tried phoning them?

Unfortunetly they don't have phone number for contributors

« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2016, 12:24 »
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ss is so quick in disabling account in situations like this but then so lenient with spammers.

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« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2016, 12:25 »
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I have a problem with sending the RAW file to ss because it exceeds ( even after zipping) the allowable limit (of one file) their mail box. Only 25Mb. The Raw file includes the camera serial number written in exif which I took the photo and still I have .

Try print screen of a raw file opened in PS or similar? I know it's not the same but still, better than nothing, at least for the start...

Jch

« Reply #56 on: December 15, 2016, 13:22 »
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I have a problem with sending the RAW file to ss because it exceeds ( even after zipping) the allowable limit (of one file) their mail box. Only 25Mb. The Raw file includes the camera serial number written in exif which I took the photo and still I have .

Try print screen of a raw file opened in PS or similar? I know it's not the same but still, better than nothing, at least for the start...

Great idea. I did it.


PureArt

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« Reply #57 on: December 15, 2016, 18:33 »
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I think SS just uses some automated system for such cases now. A kind of a bot parsing DMCA requests and turning off accounts automatically. But then you need to contact their "human support" team to turn your account back on. And that team is overloaded with requests, as usually. It is cheap to use bots and expensive to pay salary to humans.

Recently I had a problem with Amazon and it is an awful and irritating experience. Amazon is now using bots and AI (Artificial Idiots) everywhere and if some bot makes a mistake or there is a system (or network) error or humans can not work as fast as AI expects them to ... then things go totally wrong and nobody can fix them, even Amazon supervisors. It took almost 3 weeks to fix a simple issue and it was finally fixed only because I sent 2 emails to Amazon UK CEO!

And all this hassle is because bots do not get any salary and the corporations like this fact a lot.

« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2016, 18:51 »
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Images got stolen and then account suspended by Shutterstock? This is totally unacceptable! Shutterstock must stop doing this as it is so damaging to their reputation and the relationship between the contributors and the agency.

« Reply #59 on: December 16, 2016, 03:10 »
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this is so unprofessional and don't have words to describe it

some people have companies, employers, families... and suspending account based on someone request without checking truth and explanation is one of worst thing happened to this industry

especially when it comes from sites like this, and there are many more sites like it.

PureArt

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« Reply #60 on: December 16, 2016, 06:19 »
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Ok. What is our community going to do to prevent such cases in future? Any ideas? You see that even the portfolio size does not matter. You can have 150'000 photos and 10 years old contributor account but still will be treated as a slave with no respect at all, no phone number to phone contributor support team and get a ban from some bot.

One more petition at change.org? Any better ideas?

Or "swallow it and move on"?

Tror

« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2016, 06:29 »
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I know there are lots of pessimists and so called "I`m a realist it has to fail"-people on this board, but I still think we need a union.

On behalf of the contrib they could hire a lawyer and sort this out. Especially since those Agencies are usually located in the US you would be surprised what you can squeeze out of them if misbehaving.

Tror

« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2016, 06:30 »
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BTW: to the OP:

You should write an article to Petapixel and contact them. It has to be made public.

« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2016, 06:39 »
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Ok. What is our community going to do to prevent such cases in future? Any ideas? You see that even the portfolio size does not matter. You can have 150'000 photos and 10 years old contributor account but still will be treated as a slave with no respect at all, no phone number to phone contributor support team and get a ban from some bot.

One more petition at change.org? Any better ideas?

Or "swallow it and move on"?

THEY DONT CARE! There are tens of thousands of photographers and millions of images to replace them...what do they care how long a contributor has been there or how many images a contributor has. Bottom line is money...they will spend the least amount of time and money to solve a problem, whether the solution is right or wrong.

My advice is to stop dealing with companies that mistreat you and find something else. If enough large contributors with high quality images leave and their bottom line starts to suffer, then maybe they will take notice but I doubt it even then.

We thought the petition against spamming was actually working because Oringer actually took a few contributors down. My guess is that when they realized how widespread the problem was, taking them ALL down would affect their bottom line. So they are still up and continue to grow. It doesnt matter where their money comes from...legit owners or thieves...money is money.

« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2016, 06:49 »
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My advice is to stop dealing with companies that mistreat you and find something else. If enough large contributors with high quality images leave and their bottom line starts to suffer, then maybe they will take notice but I doubt it even then.


Its not so easy to quit always, many people are making living out of it. Its also a passion for photography or creating designs which they want in their life.
I always loved this company but now SS started being rude towards contributors. As you said, they do not care, money is money.

jonbull

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« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2016, 06:52 »
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why people surprised with this number?
shooting in eastern europe is so cheap you can produce for penny and sell for good money.
i went to a capital of eastern  europe, often go there, and last time did some shooting of model, i mostly do travel and general photos.
8 shooting...total paid no more than 250 euro...included model make up most of the time and studio 3 time.
1200 images produced of good quality, girl in eastern europe are so photogenic and so good in front of camera that you barely have to direct them. they are already selling good, i have recovered the money in less than a month.....imagine doing 30 shooting at month...with 1500 euro you can do all rent car, stylist, organize shooting in location.
that's why this guy and most of other russian ukrainaina serbian polish photographer produce like this.
if they had to pay for western europe price they had 5% of portfolio probably.

PureArt

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« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2016, 14:38 »
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THEY DONT CARE!

I think you are talking about the petition(s). Ok, I understood, they do not care. What can we do apart from petition?


« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2016, 14:52 »
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Disabling just issued image instead of whole port until case is inspected and resolved, would be a good start.

« Reply #68 on: December 16, 2016, 16:53 »
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My advice is to stop dealing with companies that mistreat you and find something else. If enough large contributors with high quality images leave and their bottom line starts to suffer, then maybe they will take notice but I doubt it even then.


Its not so easy to quit always, many people are making living out of it. Its also a passion for photography or creating designs which they want in their life.
I always loved this company but now SS started being rude towards contributors. As you said, they do not care, money is money.
And as far as I can tell, most people who were making a living out of it are complaining because they are making way less. Soon they will be making nothing. So, I guess then for those who don't want to quit should not bother being proactive and finding a substitute now, while at least still making some money. Instead, wait until they give away your images for free and then complain about that.

Jch

« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2016, 02:55 »
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My port is back online. Thank you all for your advice.

« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2016, 03:40 »
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My port is back online. Thank you all for your advice.

congrats and hope you get good sale and recover your damages.

« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2016, 04:08 »
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That's great!

« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2016, 06:35 »
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why people surprised with this number?
shooting in eastern europe is so cheap you can produce for penny and sell for good money.
i went to a capital of eastern  europe, often go there, and last time did some shooting of model, i mostly do travel and general photos.
8 shooting...total paid no more than 250 euro...included model make up most of the time and studio 3 time.
1200 images produced of good quality, girl in eastern europe are so photogenic and so good in front of camera that you barely have to direct them. they are already selling good, i have recovered the money in less than a month.....imagine doing 30 shooting at month...with 1500 euro you can do all rent car, stylist, organize shooting in location.
that's why this guy and most of other russian ukrainaina serbian polish photographer produce like this.
if they had to pay for western europe price they had 5% of portfolio probably.

All depends who you working with. 8 shooting and 250EUR? With makeup? And studio? I would really like to see the results of those shooting. Can you show us?
In every part of the world you can find a model even for free. But paying less to a model (in most cases) usually means that the model is beginner/amateur or just doesnt look and act as professional model should.
So trust me. Even in Eastern Europe if you want to do something professional you have to invest a lot more than 31.25EUR per shooting (so how much did you pay your models? 10-15EUR? Makeup 5EUR?)

BTW: What is "a capital of eastern europe"? :)
« Last Edit: December 17, 2016, 07:41 by dash »

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« Reply #73 on: December 17, 2016, 07:41 »
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why people surprised with this number?
shooting in eastern europe is so cheap you can produce for penny and sell for good money.
i went to a capital of eastern  europe, often go there, and last time did some shooting of model, i mostly do travel and general photos.
8 shooting...total paid no more than 250 euro...included model make up most of the time and studio 3 time.
1200 images produced of good quality, girl in eastern europe are so photogenic and so good in front of camera that you barely have to direct them. they are already selling good, i have recovered the money in less than a month.....imagine doing 30 shooting at month...with 1500 euro you can do all rent car, stylist, organize shooting in location.
that's why this guy and most of other russian ukrainaina serbian polish photographer produce like this.
if they had to pay for western europe price they had 5% of portfolio probably.

All depends who you working with. 8 shooting and 250EUR? With makeup? And studio? I would really like to see the results of those shooting. Can you show us?
In every part of the world you can find a model even for free. But paying less to a model (in most cases) usually means that the model is beginner/amateur or just doesnt look and act as professional model should.
So trust me. Even in Eastern Europe if you want to do something professional you have to invest a lot more than 31.25EUR per shooting (so how much did you pay your models? 10-15EUR? Makeup 5EUR?)

BTW: What is "a capital od eastern europe"? :)

i'm sorry but i intend to be inanimate cause micro stock is for my real photo career hurting. i sell fine art in gallery and high end travel macro and won't mix the two thing.
i have a look at your model and i'd say the level is similar.
i pay 8 euro per hour model make up and studio. so 3 hour is near 70 euro. i did 4 shooting tfp with model release...two young couple i shoot in park and bar, for free, a group friend of 4 people two times i shot tfp.
add make up in some shot, i had an assistant i pay 5 euro hour,....i paid something near 250.
the model i paid are all experienced. in addiction soviet girl are in 90% very open to camera and they know how to pose and act with fluidity...if you go to seaside like black sea you will find many mother taking photos of their young daughter and already at 5 6 years teaching them angle pose etc.
personally i 'd say the results are similar to what i see in your portfolio, and especially the young couple show a more natural feeling compared to professional model....i have the impression that stocks looks more for this natural feeling instead of a true professional model with fake attitude.
but it's my view.

by the way i love poland been there many times in past ,, there are many nice girl, but i not see top notch beauty in the street in the level you can find in any soviet country. maybe your model that are very nice and good fresh look, are top where u live...in moscow or minsk you can find girl like that in every corner, most are student who love being photographed or needs just some cash for their study.

how do you thinkthe hundred of production house in kiev or moscow can deal with all their shooting?
sure i paid probably less than ideal prize, but i would never shoot top notch model for microstcok.

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« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2016, 07:46 »
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why people surprised with this number?
shooting in eastern europe is so cheap you can produce for penny and sell for good money.
i went to a capital of eastern  europe, often go there, and last time did some shooting of model, i mostly do travel and general photos.
8 shooting...total paid no more than 250 euro...included model make up most of the time and studio 3 time.
1200 images produced of good quality, girl in eastern europe are so photogenic and so good in front of camera that you barely have to direct them. they are already selling good, i have recovered the money in less than a month.....imagine doing 30 shooting at month...with 1500 euro you can do all rent car, stylist, organize shooting in location.
that's why this guy and most of other russian ukrainaina serbian polish photographer produce like this.
if they had to pay for western europe price they had 5% of portfolio probably.

All depends who you working with. 8 shooting and 250EUR? With makeup? And studio? I would really like to see the results of those shooting. Can you show us?
In every part of the world you can find a model even for free. But paying less to a model (in most cases) usually means that the model is beginner/amateur or just doesnt look and act as professional model should.
So trust me. Even in Eastern Europe if you want to do something professional you have to invest a lot more than 31.25EUR per shooting (so how much did you pay your models? 10-15EUR? Makeup 5EUR?)

BTW: What is "a capital of eastern europe"? :)

by the way i will not say the capital...m...k....ahah.....in some cities in soviet world...renting studio cost 8 10 euro hour...where i live is no less than 100....model credible and of quality, the level i shot last time, no less than 300 500 if you want release and work with agency, or 100 200 day if freelancer, make up another 100...most places don't let you shoot in or are very difficult...where i go in easter europe i can ask a bar to shoot some photos and the owner will be super happy because he thinks " this guy choose my place it must be so cool".

by the way most model in the world come from soviet world....have you eve asked yourself why? :)) and they are not unique...actually i have russian friend girls who could easily be victoria secret model but they not care a ..s...t of model...they only like to " enjoy" life.
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« Reply #75 on: December 17, 2016, 08:04 »
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why people surprised with this number?
shooting in eastern europe is so cheap you can produce for penny and sell for good money.
i went to a capital of eastern  europe, often go there, and last time did some shooting of model, i mostly do travel and general photos.
8 shooting...total paid no more than 250 euro...included model make up most of the time and studio 3 time.
1200 images produced of good quality, girl in eastern europe are so photogenic and so good in front of camera that you barely have to direct them. they are already selling good, i have recovered the money in less than a month.....imagine doing 30 shooting at month...with 1500 euro you can do all rent car, stylist, organize shooting in location.
that's why this guy and most of other russian ukrainaina serbian polish photographer produce like this.
if they had to pay for western europe price they had 5% of portfolio probably.

All depends who you working with. 8 shooting and 250EUR? With makeup? And studio? I would really like to see the results of those shooting. Can you show us?
In every part of the world you can find a model even for free. But paying less to a model (in most cases) usually means that the model is beginner/amateur or just doesnt look and act as professional model should.
So trust me. Even in Eastern Europe if you want to do something professional you have to invest a lot more than 31.25EUR per shooting (so how much did you pay your models? 10-15EUR? Makeup 5EUR?)

BTW: What is "a capital of eastern europe"? :)

i add that i'm more oriented in fresh look, young girl , and stocksy kind of shooting. natural not too much make up artist. i like feminine more than dolls...i for example never shoot fake model with fake boobs or lips.. i see you are more oriented towards this model.

jonbull

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« Reply #76 on: December 17, 2016, 08:31 »
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why people surprised with this number?
shooting in eastern europe is so cheap you can produce for penny and sell for good money.
i went to a capital of eastern  europe, often go there, and last time did some shooting of model, i mostly do travel and general photos.
8 shooting...total paid no more than 250 euro...included model make up most of the time and studio 3 time.
1200 images produced of good quality, girl in eastern europe are so photogenic and so good in front of camera that you barely have to direct them. they are already selling good, i have recovered the money in less than a month.....imagine doing 30 shooting at month...with 1500 euro you can do all rent car, stylist, organize shooting in location.
that's why this guy and most of other russian ukrainaina serbian polish photographer produce like this.
if they had to pay for western europe price they had 5% of portfolio probably.

All depends who you working with. 8 shooting and 250EUR? With makeup? And studio? I would really like to see the results of those shooting. Can you show us?
In every part of the world you can find a model even for free. But paying less to a model (in most cases) usually means that the model is beginner/amateur or just doesnt look and act as professional model should.
So trust me. Even in Eastern Europe if you want to do something professional you have to invest a lot more than 31.25EUR per shooting (so how much did you pay your models? 10-15EUR? Makeup 5EUR?)

BTW: What is "a capital of eastern europe"? :)

...by the way watching your website..in publication i found a girl i shoot for her portfolio in cannes 4 years ago...silicone dolls:) maybe you understand who. funny girl and we didi super photos but to explain she's completely the opposite of what i shoot in stock modeling..


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« Reply #77 on: December 17, 2016, 08:47 »
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Jeez! 197000 files and $.300 a day?  I agree there must be something wrong. I know somebody at SS with a meager 2500 files and he is earning around $.400 per day. Ok he has a very specialized portfolio but even so.

Suggest you check your keywording and as already pointed out this soft porn business dont help its giving the wrong messages.

« Reply #78 on: December 17, 2016, 09:03 »
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My port is back online. Thank you all for your advice.

Nice job. I honestly think Shutterstock will (and wants) to do the right thing. They just need a better mechanism for disputes that arbitrates the issue more openly, without closing a contributor account, or closing it temporarily until the open discussion is settled.  That would go a long way to building a better partnership with contributors.....especially when that account is the primary (or sole) income of the contributor.

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« Reply #79 on: December 17, 2016, 09:10 »
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Jeez! 197000 files and $.300 a day?  I agree there must be something wrong. I know somebody at SS with a meager 2500 files and he is earning around $.400 per day. Ok he has a very specialized portfolio but even so.

Suggest you check your keywording and as already pointed out this soft porn business dont help its giving the wrong messages.

he era right now in 2017 400 dollar every day with 2500 images...i don't believe even if he show statistic.

« Reply #80 on: December 17, 2016, 11:04 »
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Jeez! 197000 files and $.300 a day?  I agree there must be something wrong. I know somebody at SS with a meager 2500 files and he is earning around $.400 per day. Ok he has a very specialized portfolio but even so.

Suggest you check your keywording and as already pointed out this soft porn business dont help its giving the wrong messages.

he era right now in 2017 400 dollar every day with 2500 images...i don't believe even if he show statistic.

It is possible, do not underestimate it. :)
I know a person earning even more somewhere around $800 a day, but he has very good portfolio of around 30k+ files

jonbull

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« Reply #81 on: December 17, 2016, 11:57 »
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Jeez! 197000 files and $.300 a day?  I agree there must be something wrong. I know somebody at SS with a meager 2500 files and he is earning around $.400 per day. Ok he has a very specialized portfolio but even so.

Suggest you check your keywording and as already pointed out this soft porn business dont help its giving the wrong messages.

he era right now in 2017 400 dollar every day with 2500 images...i don't believe even if he show statistic.

It is possible, do not underestimate it. :)
I know a person earning even more somewhere around $800 a day, but he has very good portfolio of around 30k+ files

well 30000 800 
is not
2500 400..

« Reply #82 on: December 17, 2016, 12:00 »
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Jeez! 197000 files and $.300 a day?  I agree there must be something wrong. I know somebody at SS with a meager 2500 files and he is earning around $.400 per day. Ok he has a very specialized portfolio but even so.

Suggest you check your keywording and as already pointed out this soft porn business dont help its giving the wrong messages.

Look at the numbers. 30k photos $800/dAy
2500 photos $300/day

so earning 1/2 income with less than 1/10 th the images

That is almost unbelievable
he era right now in 2017 400 dollar every day with 2500 images...i don't believe even if he show statistic.

It is possible, do not underestimate it. :)
I know a person earning even more somewhere around $800 a day, but he has very good portfolio of around 30k+ files

50%

« Reply #83 on: December 18, 2016, 04:37 »
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the some thing happened to me a few years ago, it was easy too proof but it took a couple of a days (I think about a week) till I got my portfolio online again. A couple of hundred dollars had been lost for me without my fault I did hope that the handle these kind of issues differently (not able to withdraw money but leave the portfolio online till the case is scrutinized) now but it's still the same :(


 

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