Quote from: everest on June 07, 2020, 14:16

Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts  :

I believe in the words I say. No regrets here and by quoting me it doesn't mean anything more than your ability to copy-paste. But since you mentioned a pedestal. I'll tell you a funny story about me on a pedestal and it may, or may not reflect to the current situation in this thread:

In middle school, I was about 11 years old. I was in a private school, where supposingly the elite of the town was sending their kids. Lawyers kids, doctors kid, businessmen kids ... the "future of our country" ... that sort of stuff. Anyway I never thought of myself like the elite of anything, I grew up in the village and I loved hiking the mountain or interacting with animals. I wasn't stupid though, my iq was measured high. While in that school, despite the fact that I was like Mowgli, climbing the trees all the time, at some point I felt like I wanted to get involved to school politics for the feeling of greater good. We had a council of 15 students that tended to the student affairs with the school in general. It was mostly a place for the popular kids then but I was too naive at the time, because I wasn't so popular. You see, all the kids were mostly concerned with how others dressed, brand names etc. So, I had noticed a problem in the school, kind of important but also kind of taboo. I had noticed that in the school toilets, the administration never bought or installed toilet paper rolls. Crazy, right?

So I went up to the actual pedestal of the school morning gathering, in front of some teachers, the principals and 300 kids, to announce my candidacy. During that short speech I generally said that I was worth to be elected because I cared about school facilities to function properly. As an example, I said that toilets didn't have toilet paper. At that moment, 300 kids burst into laughing, including the teachers and the principal. Of course I felt humiliated as I sincerely didn't expect that reaction. I wrapped up my speech and left that pedestal. I wasn't voted to be in the council.

For the 6 years I was in that school, nobody ever mentioned it and toilet paper was also never installed. I can't even begin to imagine the constipation that must have took place there. Really sad. But you know what, it taught me a lot about the world. It came to be one of the most illuminating moments of my life. Do you know how much ridicule one can receive for saying the right thing, but first? The other people usually laugh or diminish and they will only admit the rightness of the right words only in their own conversations, afterwards. But never to the person that actually said the right thing first. But people that speak right, are kind of used to it anyway. Anything you might say to me, won't beat what I was made to be or do. I am far stronger in supporting my opinions that you will ever be and it shows. So you can either follow my advice and post your stats to contribute to this effort, or go ahead and go on living unwiped like some other dudes that I know of.

I think your stats or at least the paper they are written on are only good for one thing.  They will be false due to the number of deactivated accounts images not uploaded, you are trying to duplicate something that no longer exists.

I've removed two posts that were nothing more than shouting insults.  If we are going to discuss something, then we need to discuss it - not fire insults back and forth.

Quote from: gameover on June 08, 2020, 06:42

Until now I was silent. I happen to have a master in physics and as such I'm supposed to be familiar with statistics and to know how to use it correctly.
Yours doesn't look like statistics for dummies, as much as statistics for morons. If you count the pimples on your face you'll possibly get a similarly plausible forecast.
Strangely enough your desperate arguments look very much like what I would expect of a Shuttertroll.

Better keep on staying silent. The only troll here in here is you, interfering with a small percentage of us that try to gather some objective info and using us as a vent to your misfortune. I am not your enemy, therefore don't address me as such and show some respect, as it could may have reflected the fact that you are "educated". Apparently your university degree wasn't put in the best use if the only uses you found for it were to be mentioned in forums to present you as an authority about anything. If you had any better idea about how to find out in approximation how much is the real cut, you would have said so. But you didn't. You only came to throw more insults.

Stan, is that you?

Quote from: astockphotographer088 on June 08, 2020, 07:33

Quote from: gameover on June 08, 2020, 06:42

Until now I was silent. I happen to have a master in physics and as such I'm supposed to be familiar with statistics and to know how to use it correctly.
Yours doesn't look like statistics for dummies, as much as statistics for morons. If you count the pimples on your face you'll possibly get a similarly plausible forecast.
Strangely enough your desperate arguments look very much like what I would expect of a Shuttertroll.

Better keep on staying silent. The only troll here in here is you, interfering with a small percentage of us that try to gather some objective info and using us as a vent to your misfortune. I am not your enemy, therefore don't address me as such and show some respect, as it could may have reflected the fact that you are "educated". Apparently your university degree wasn't put in the best use if the only uses you found for it were to be mentioned in forums to present you as an authority about anything. If you had any better idea about how to find out in approximation how much is the real cut, you would have said so. But you didn't. You only came to throw more insults.

Oh yes. you're right: I have a few more sensible uses for my professional education. But, alas, seeing statistics so badly mishandled 'pour �pater la galerie' makes my heart bleed.
However, if it may comfort you, you're not the only one...

Showing off? Are you even serious right now? I am only truly interested to share and see what others share about our average reduction in our S+OD rpd. Mine right now is -5,36%, a week ago it was even -29%, in the weekend for a short time it even settled briefly at 0% because of OD sales that are sold significantly at a higher price than before. As it changes, I keep updating. But I thought that if it was 20 or 50 people giving their samples, then we could find some sort of an average.

just looking at my sales, 1st June (very early in the day) i had a $70 (ish) dollar image commission.

Ive just realised, i'll never see a sale like that again at SS.

The best you could ever get (on the new rates) is $39.80. Thats a chop at the knees.

This is not completely accurate. If you are now L6, and you sell an enhanced license in the 2 images pack ($199) then the 40% will earn you $39.8 as you correctly say. But the previous highest tier was that you received 30% from these same images, meaning, $34.7 (?) if I am not mistaken. Those sales that brought back $70 or $85 to the contributors are different types of sales that Shutterstock offers at custom deals that they do with some customers. They are not part of their standard price list.

I have maintained accurate records of microstock sales and several statistics including RPDL since I started in 2009.  For me, average RPDL of SS for all of last year was $0.92.  The highest ever was 2017 at $1.36 and the lowest was 2009 at $0.32.  So far this month it is $0.26.  Average number of sales per month peaked for me in 2014 and declined to about 45% of the peak last year.  The complicated presentation of the OP makes no sense to me and could be skewed by a few high-value sales.  My numbers so far this month have RPDL lower than it was when I started in 2009.  Of course that will change if I get some ELs or high-value SODs but the highest I've had so far this month is $2.50 so am not expecting much of a change.  RPDL of $0.26 is the lowest of all the agencies I contribute to right now, with the exception of Canva which was only $0.20 after their change last month (I am not counting their bonus payments which will go away in five months).  The SS RPDL will be even lower when we all drop down to level 1 in January - at that point it will be the worst of all the agencies (even iS!) and that is a fact.

Thanks for the good stats.

Quote from: everest on June 07, 2020, 14:16

Your civil and "CONSTRUCTIVE" words on this forum on past posts  :

I believe in the words I say. No regrets here and by quoting me it doesn't mean anything more than your ability to copy-paste. But since you mentioned a pedestal. I'll tell you a funny story about me on a pedestal and it may, or may not reflect to the current situation in this thread:

In middle school, I was about 11 years old. I was in a private school, where supposingly the elite of the town was sending their kids. Lawyers kids, doctors kid, businessmen kids ... the "future of our country" ... that sort of stuff. Anyway I never thought of myself like the elite of anything, I grew up in the village and I loved hiking the mountain or interacting with animals. I wasn't stupid though, my iq was measured high. While in that school, despite the fact that I was like Mowgli, climbing the trees all the time, at some point I felt like I wanted to get involved to school politics for the feeling of greater good. We had a council of 15 students that tended to the student affairs with the school in general. It was mostly a place for the popular kids then but I was too naive at the time, because I wasn't so popular. You see, all the kids were mostly concerned with how others dressed, brand names etc. So, I had noticed a problem in the school, kind of important but also kind of taboo. I had noticed that in the school toilets, the administration never bought or installed toilet paper rolls. Crazy, right?

So I went up to the actual pedestal of the school morning gathering, in front of some teachers, the principals and 300 kids, to announce my candidacy. During that short speech I generally said that I was worth to be elected because I cared about school facilities to function properly. As an example, I said that toilets didn't have toilet paper. At that moment, 300 kids burst into laughing, including the teachers and the principal. Of course I felt humiliated as I sincerely didn't expect that reaction. I wrapped up my speech and left that pedestal. I wasn't voted to be in the council.

For the 6 years I was in that school, nobody ever mentioned it and toilet paper was also never installed. I can't even begin to imagine the constipation that must have took place there. Really sad. But you know what, it taught me a lot about the world. It came to be one of the most illuminating moments of my life. Do you know how much ridicule one can receive for saying the right thing, but first? The other people usually laugh or diminish and they will only admit the rightness of the right words only in their own conversations, afterwards. But never to the person that actually said the right thing first. But people that speak right, are kind of used to it anyway. Anything you might say to me, won't beat what I was made to be or do. I am far stronger in supporting my opinions that you will ever be and it shows. So you can either follow my advice and post your stats to contribute to this effort, or go ahead and go on living unwiped like some other dudes that I know of.

Possibly the most ridiculous post I've read for a while. Go set up your own forum.

I cant help but post again. As much as I try to be forgiving and understanding I failed this time. Astockphotographer088, if you really cared about trends and statistics you would be looking at what people SAY as opposed to trying to get numbers for YOUR very simplified statistical formulae. Just sit down, take a breath, nobody hates anybody here BUT I will try to help you get to the bottom of this easily. I know a dozen contributors who are in top100 rankings on all platforms. Plenty of files, plenty of data to be gathered. We ALL are seeing massive to considerable DROPS. I cant sugarcoat this and why would I? Do you think forums would be on fire if sales were fantastic?

I sell less or equal amount of images for far less money. So far today AS is beating SS 3fold for me. That would have never happened before, ever. Period. As so far in June is leading by more than a thousand dollars. Crazy right? Well guess what, AS stayed the same but SS just pooped itself.

Let go of trying to estimate an RPD man..varies from port to port, time of the year etc. big ports are going to give you the numbers in a week that hundreds of small ports will supply in a month. Those people are reporting a 10 to 40% drop.

Have a great day and please be reasonable.

Small sample but my RPDL In May was.97 cents and the week in June before I killed my port was .40 cents. That�s a 59% drop. In Jan 2021 with the reset, holy crap. 

Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Level 5 photo, level 3 video.
Here are the SS RPDs for 2020, all-inclusive (since it will take too long to remove the EL, videos, large SoDs, one by one)

Jan $1.55/DL
Feb $1.30/DL
Mar $1.02/DL
Apr $1.65/DL
May $1.51/DL

Jun $1.14/DL

Therefore, June is 18% worse than the average RPD of the previous months.
However, March was way below my normal values. Without considering the exception of March, the RPD dropped by 24%.

But I also feel that June is a "good month", so far (from the DL number and DL type point of view) therefore the real average RPD loss must be larger than 24%

Thanks for your input, but the reason I set these "rules" as to exclude video and calculate w/ and w/o EL's in images was to be able and find as clean results as possible in all this mess. My last thread coulnd't do that and I already had some people post data. From that first data, we gathered a generic average of -33% ... but it was wrong, as it came from many different levels and also polluted with EL's (like my sample for example). My ultimate purpose is to start finding common patterns in this. And find the particular spot in statistics, that the -% in rpd stops being a mere fluctuation (like you had in March) and where it shows that it starts being the new rule of the game. I hope you understand and that you can provide some more accuracy in your data in the requested format. Regards.