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Agency Based Discussion => Shutterstock.com => Topic started by: Chichikov on March 11, 2017, 08:17
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http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/shutterstock-amazon-posters-and-prints/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/photography/shutterstock-amazon-posters-and-prints/)
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Hmm. Mght be a good thing, but: images are "curated" by SS...so how will I know if my images are included? Spend time searching through Amazon, or will SS notify contributors? I don't see a pay schedule (our cut of a sale). Is there an opt out? I havent searched around yet, on my ipad right now and just saw the link. These things always sound like they will be a good thing for us, but in the end, not. :(
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I never saw an official announcement from ss on the site
Deals being made without telling contributers, and what is the commission? Subscription price?
Microstock is a wretched industry now, and getting more disappointingby the day!
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Wouldn't this require an Extended Licence, as stated in their terms of use?
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I never saw an official announcement from ss on the site
Deals being made without telling contributers, and what is the commission? Subscription price?
Microstock is a wretched industry now, and getting more disappointingby the day!
It is not on the Shutterstock site.
But is that enough official for you? ;)
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So you don't need an EL to do this? I'm opted out of EL's but I guess it would not matter...
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I never saw an official announcement from ss on the site
Deals being made without telling contributers, and what is the commission? Subscription price?
Microstock is a wretched industry now, and getting more disappointingby the day!
It is not on the Shutterstock site.
But is that enough official for you? ;)
That tweet was from Digital trends reposted by Jon Oringer who seems more interested in his guitar collection than his business. ::)
The official announcement should have come from Shutterstock
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Hmm. Mght be a good thing, but: images are "curated" by SS...so how will I know if my images are included? Spend time searching through Amazon, or will SS notify contributors? I don't see a pay schedule (our cut of a sale). Is there an opt out? I havent searched around yet, on my ipad right now and just saw the link. These things always sound like they will be a good thing for us, but in the end, not. :(
Found at least 7 from my port through a quick search. I wonder how much the commission will be after substracting Amazon's share. No EL for sure, since the cheapest product will sell for $19.9
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I had a quick look and thankfully didn't see any from my portfolio. The prices are much lower than other POD sites and as I already sell elsewhere, I would want an opt out from what has to be a lowball royalty given the prices they're selling the prints for.
Zero Talent, did they ask you about your work being included? I'm assuming not or you wouldn't have had to "find" 7 of yours.
It may be, if amazon is successful, that they'll drag prices down at other POD sites as a result, but I certainly wouldn't want to compete with myself by being forced into SS sales of this sort. Shades of Getty and the Google deal that they think they no longer have to ask about anything.
I hope someone who is included asks SS to let them opt out so we can see just how good SS still is at listening to contributors...
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No, nobody asked me. I just read this post this morning.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
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These things are seldom launched as it is just another use of their API, Fotolia have been doing it for years, difference is that Amazon are making use of Shutterstock's Curated Collections.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
Why would it be good if one didn't have to opt in, if one can't opt out and if those who sell elsewhere are undercutting themselves without a choice. Do you even know how much suppliers are being paid?
SS is getting more and more like iS/Getty as time goes on.
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Why would the royalty be any more than the value of a sub? Presumably a download is made every time a print is purchased.
But I don't want that to sound like I'm sticking up for it.
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I never saw an official announcement from ss on the site
Deals being made without telling contributers, and what is the commission? Subscription price?
Microstock is a wretched industry now, and getting more disappointingby the day!
It is not on the Shutterstock site.
But is that enough official for you? ;)
I mentioned no official announcement from ss - not in the way that I doubt the truthfulness of this, but in a way to express disappointment that I had heard it through third party media rather than an official announcement or email from ss.
Disappointing indeed
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
Why would it be good if one didn't have to opt in, if one can't opt out and if those who sell elsewhere are undercutting themselves without a choice. Do you even know how much suppliers are being paid?
SS is getting more and more like iS/Getty as time goes on.
to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
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to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
If I am selling my work as prints on Amazon, and Shutterstock starts selling the SAME THING, for less money, I get ripped off. Shutterstock intends to pay me only 36 cents for something I normally get $5 for.
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to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
If I am selling my work as prints on Amazon, and Shutterstock starts selling the SAME THING, for less money, I get ripped off. Shutterstock intends to pay me only 36 cents for something I normally get $5 for.
Thats an arguement for not selling on Microstock at all which is fine if thats you want to do but I don't see why this is different from licencing JPEGs for 36c when you sell them somewhere else for $5.
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to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
If I am selling my work as prints on Amazon, and Shutterstock starts selling the SAME THING, for less money, I get ripped off. Shutterstock intends to pay me only 36 cents for something I normally get $5 for.
Thats an arguement for not selling on Microstock at all which is fine if thats you want to do but I don't see why this is different from licencing JPEGs for 36c when you sell them somewhere else for $5.
Presumably there are people selling prints on e.g. FAA (other outlets are available) and netting much more than $5 there.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
Why would it be good if one didn't have to opt in, if one can't opt out and if those who sell elsewhere are undercutting themselves without a choice. Do you even know how much suppliers are being paid?
SS is getting more and more like iS/Getty as time goes on.
to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
As no-one yet has shared how much the artist gets paid for this deal, we don't even know the net percentage.
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I never saw an official announcement from ss on the site
Deals being made without telling contributers, and what is the commission? Subscription price?
Microstock is a wretched industry now, and getting more disappointingby the day!
It is not on the Shutterstock site.
But is that enough official for you? ;)
I mentioned no official announcement from ss - not in the way that I doubt the truthfulness of this, but in a way to express disappointment that I had heard it through third party media rather than an official announcement or email from ss.
Disappointing indeed
Okay, I get it now :)
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-provides-curated-collection-for-amazons-customized-prints-300420921.html (http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/shutterstock-provides-curated-collection-for-amazons-customized-prints-300420921.html)
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
How can you possibly say it's "a good thing" without knowing what you'd be paid?
So glad I closed my SS account earlier this year.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
How can you possibly say it's "a good thing" without knowing what you'd be paid?
So glad I closed my SS account earlier this year.
Fair point In principle its a good thing and what I would expect Microstock sites to do.....plenty of people seem happy to say its a bad thing without knowing what they would be paid.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
How can you possibly say it's "a good thing" without knowing what you'd be paid?
So glad I closed my SS account earlier this year.
Fair point In principle its a good thing and what I would expect Microstock sites to do.....plenty of people seem happy to say its a bad thing without knowing what they would be paid.
SS announces they're "excited" about this great new opportunity, while forgetting to tell the photographers anything about it. Like their commission, for example. I agree we can't assume the worst, but I think it's a good bet that the phrase "diddly squat" turns out to be apropos.
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What about my interpretation: Amazon pays for an EL and can print all the copies they like?
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These things are seldom launched as it is just another use of their API, Fotolia have been doing it for years, difference is that Amazon are making use of Shutterstock's Curated Collections.
Of course it was announced in Investor Relations, "it exposes our stunning photography and illustrations" fuok the contributors
http://investor.shutterstock.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=251362&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2252811 (http://investor.shutterstock.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=251362&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=2252811)
As it is a Enterprise venture it's likely to be a little SOD.
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Thats an arguement for not selling on Microstock at all which is fine if thats you want to do but I don't see why this is different from licencing JPEGs for 36c when you sell them somewhere else for $5.
Not the right analogy.
This is more like the time that Veer and Alamy partnered up behind contributor's backs to put Veer portfolios into an Alamy collection - where contributors who were already on Alamy would make more if they sold directly than had to take the reduced cut that Veer offered. Contributors squawked and Veer withdrew the collection.
The problem is not SS expanding their outlets for image licensing but in getting into new businesses with our content and forcing contributors who are already selling that content to compete with themselves (making less in the process).
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I found 12 of mine, so far.
It is also interresting to mention that at least two of them are post-processed: they over-saturated my colors and added contrast beyond my taste.
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I found 12 of mine, so far.
It is also interresting to mention that at least two of them are post-processed: they over-saturated my colors and added contrast beyond my taste.
How do I go about finding mine? If any so its here https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=w_bl_hsx_s_ho_web_0?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=The+Shutterstock+Collection (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=w_bl_hsx_s_ho_web_0?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=The+Shutterstock+Collection)
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I got away from micro to go sell prints where I can make tens to thousands of dollars per sale. And now micro is invading prints.
Just did a quick check and they don't seem to be going with rock bottom pricing. The article says "unframed 11-by-17-inch poster runs at about $20". Art.com sells 12x18 size for around $18. On my site 12x18 size is priced at $100. So they may be going with competitive pricing rather than competitor-killing pricing. For now.
SS hasn't said a word about this to contributors so either they're late doing an announcement or there's nothing good to announce for contributors. If they offer the standard 33%, $6 isn't much on an already dirt cheap $20 print. Or what if they pay a standard subscription of 33 cents per print sale?
Problem with this whole dirt cheap pricing thing for prints is that when I experimented with prices I found I actually sell more prints at higher prices.
Feeling like I'm on the wrong side of this business.
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If I am selling my work as prints on Amazon, and Shutterstock starts selling the SAME THING, for less money, I get ripped off. Shutterstock intends to pay me only 36 cents for something I normally get $5 for.
Thats an arguement for not selling on Microstock at all which is fine if thats you want to do but I don't see why this is different from licencing JPEGs for 36c when you sell them somewhere else for $5.
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You're comparing two different kinds of sale.
If someone buys my work on microstock to print posters, I get a lot more than $5 for the extended license required. What Shutterstock is doing is competing directly with me on the same platform (Amazon) and whatever they are paying their contributors per sale is going to be less than what I get from Amazon for an identical sale.
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It has been announced on the contributor page too (Additional resources)
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/amazon-posters-prints-contributors (https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/amazon-posters-prints-contributors)
Not clear yet how much the images will be paid.
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I found 12 of mine, so far.
It is also interresting to mention that at least two of them are post-processed: they over-saturated my colors and added contrast beyond my taste.
How do I go about finding mine? If any so its here https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=w_bl_hsx_s_ho_web_0?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=The+Shutterstock+Collection (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=w_bl_hsx_s_ho_web_0?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=The+Shutterstock+Collection)
No straightforward way. On Amazon, just type "The Shutterstock Collection" + some keywords specific to your port and scroll through all those pages, maybe some of yours will pop-up.
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I found 12 of mine, so far.
It is also interresting to mention that at least two of them are post-processed: they over-saturated my colors and added contrast beyond my taste.
How do I go about finding mine? If any so its here https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=w_bl_hsx_s_ho_web_0?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=The+Shutterstock+Collection (https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=w_bl_hsx_s_ho_web_0?ie=UTF8&search-alias=aps&field-keywords=The+Shutterstock+Collection)
No straightforward way. On Amazon, just type "The Shutterstock Collection" + some keywords specific to your port and scroll through all those pages, maybe some of yours will pop-up.
A lot report "no image available"
I wonder how they can sell images that we cannot see…
;D
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Edit: just seen now "This item will be released on March 15, 2017"
But "Available for Pre-order"
So no image for the moment, but you can preorder it…
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It's funny....I don't find any of my stuff under posters and prints, but I see quite a few people have used my illustrations for music collection covers.
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It has been announced on the contributor page too (Additional resources)
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/amazon-posters-prints-contributors (https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/amazon-posters-prints-contributors)
Not clear yet how much the images will be paid.
So its a "sod" then .....I suppose a bit of detective work required to match the sod image against Amazon to see if theres a match and maybe that how much we get! Would be nice of course if SS just told us
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But they don't say how much of an SOD. Most of mine are down near 50 cents now. That would suhck if people are paying $20 for a print.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
Why would it be good if one didn't have to opt in, if one can't opt out and if those who sell elsewhere are undercutting themselves without a choice. Do you even know how much suppliers are being paid?
SS is getting more and more like iS/Getty as time goes on.
to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
As no-one yet has shared how much the artist gets paid for this deal, we don't even know the net percentage.
Are you selling on SS now? Good point we don't know. I don't sell POD so any new openings and sales, means more for me. Company made a new deal to make us more, I don't mind at all. I'd like to see how much, but since it's a curated collection, I think this will have no effect or change on the majority of people. Non-issue.
Notice this part? "You can also download image from a gallery of images:depositphotos.com,www.shutterstock.com,www.123rf.com.If you want to CUSTOMIZE your own Supersoft Throw Fleece Blanket, please search B06X9LCF4R in the search bar" Looks like a deal with some other places too.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
Why would it be good if one didn't have to opt in, if one can't opt out and if those who sell elsewhere are undercutting themselves without a choice. Do you even know how much suppliers are being paid?
SS is getting more and more like iS/Getty as time goes on.
to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
As no-one yet has shared how much the artist gets paid for this deal, we don't even know the net percentage.
Are you selling on SS now? Good point we don't know. I don't sell POD so any new openings and sales, means more for me. Company made a new deal to make us more, I don't mind at all.
No, I'm not, have no current intention to - and this new deal only reinforces that, as I do sell POD. Not much, but at a much higher value to me than that amazon deal can possibly pay, looking at the gross there. As the price of these prints is so low, this could affect me adversely, therefore I've given my opinion in this thread.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
Why would it be good if one didn't have to opt in, if one can't opt out and if those who sell elsewhere are undercutting themselves without a choice. Do you even know how much suppliers are being paid?
SS is getting more and more like iS/Getty as time goes on.
to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
As no-one yet has shared how much the artist gets paid for this deal, we don't even know the net percentage.
Are you selling on SS now? Good point we don't know. I don't sell POD so any new openings and sales, means more for me. Company made a new deal to make us more, I don't mind at all.
No, I'm not, have no current intention to - and this new deal only reinforces that, as I do sell POD. Not much, but at a much higher value to me than that amazon deal can possibly pay, looking at the gross there. As the price of these prints is so low, this could affect me adversely, therefore I've given my opinion in this thread.
Not just prints. Products. Take a look at Amazon.
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Not just prints. Products. Take a look at Amazon.
Indeed, I saw that from the outset. FAA also sells products, but at least sellers can choose to opt in or out from all of these, as a whole or image by image, and can set our own prices.
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SS have confirmed the sales will appear under SODs, haven't they also previously stated that SOD sales pay 30%, so contributors will receive 30% of $19.99 i.e. $5.97.
Still not great if you are selling POD elsewhere but certainly better than a sub payment
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SS have confirmed the sales will appear under SODs, haven't they also previously stated that SOD sales pay 30%, so contributors will receive 30% of $19.99 i.e. $5.97.
Still not great if you are selling POD elsewhere but certainly better than a sub payment
Not sure if its 30% of the "profit" though or the cost of materials supply etc are taken out.
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SS have confirmed the sales will appear under SODs, haven't they also previously stated that SOD sales pay 30%, so contributors will receive 30% of $19.99 i.e. $5.97.
Still not great if you are selling POD elsewhere but certainly better than a sub payment
If that calculation is correct that is a good is deal for contributors. Sadly I suspect it means 30% of whatever SS get from the print company. So we are none the wiser and it is likely to be a lot less.
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I actually think its a good thing but the way its been launched is shoddy and unprofessional...par for the course I guess.
Why would it be good if one didn't have to opt in, if one can't opt out and if those who sell elsewhere are undercutting themselves without a choice. Do you even know how much suppliers are being paid?
SS is getting more and more like iS/Getty as time goes on.
to my simple mind the agencies' job is to find more channels for our work it seems odd to complain about them doing that.
As no-one yet has shared how much the artist gets paid for this deal, we don't even know the net percentage.
Are you selling on SS now? Good point we don't know. I don't sell POD so any new openings and sales, means more for me. Company made a new deal to make us more, I don't mind at all. I'd like to see how much, but since it's a curated collection, I think this will have no effect or change on the majority of people. Non-issue.
Notice this part? "You can also download image from a gallery of images:depositphotos.com,www.shutterstock.com,www.123rf.com.If you want to CUSTOMIZE your own Supersoft Throw Fleece Blanket, please search B06X9LCF4R in the search bar" Looks like a deal with some other places too.
When did depositphotos.com and www.123rf.com (http://www.123rf.com) announce this same deal and what do they pay us. Is this going to just slide by, doesn't anyone care? POD and products from all three agencies.
How long have DP and 123 had a deal going on Amazon?
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When did depositphotos.com and [url=http://www.123rf.com]www.123rf.com[/url] ([url]http://www.123rf.com[/url]) announce this same deal and what do they pay us. Is this going to just slide by, doesn't anyone care? POD and products from all three agencies.
Yes I care, that's why I closed my SS acount in January. I sell photos on FAA and get $15-$50 for a print. I have no advertising, about 300 photos, and sell a couple every month - sometimes a bunch. Over time, as sales increase, I'll raise my prices, not reduce them - hey isn't that a crazy idea?
If you want to cut off any possible future as an 'art' photographer, sign up with these fine microstock "agencies" today and watch them reduce your commission to zero as they compete on nothing but price.
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I guess I really don't see why anyone would complain about this. If you have images on Shutterstock that are already available to license and resell as a print, why would this be any different? Why would there be an opt-out option for this specific company doing what other companies have been able to do with Shutterstock images for years?
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I guess I really don't see why anyone would complain about this. If you have images on Shutterstock that are already available to license and resell as a print, why would this be any different? Why would there be an opt-out option for this specific company doing what other companies have been able to do with Shutterstock images for years?
I guess its about how much for.....but really I think this is what you sign up for when you enter the murky world of Microstock.....strange to get indignant about it now imho.