Author Topic: Anyone have sales today? (Read 37484 times)

jonbull · « **Reply #100 on:** March 19, 2018, 07:46 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 07:01

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:50
Quote from: derek on March 18, 2018, 08:57
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 13:32
Quote from: derek on March 14, 2018, 12:51
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 09:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's! they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. $:-\$
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

you dont0 have a clue about what you are talking about.
have you ever been in ukraine or russia' do you know cost of live and production there? i go there most of year and began producing there. they have tons of producer because the cost off production is cheaper, and cost of life is cheaper...if you think in sprin or usa there are similar level of producer you simply show the world your ignorance.
africa studio a production company employing photographer for penny at mont, has 1400000 files...oprobably the same amount of all spanish producers.
my failure? maybe yours...i'm growing every month, maybe is you who is failing.

jonbull · « **Reply #101 on:** March 19, 2018, 07:51 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on March 19, 2018, 07:06

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that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

Lets not overlook the "fact" that Ukraine has the most "beautiful" women in the world. All too willing to be models for a fraction of the cost in London, Paris, Milan, etc

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html

another point, is very easy to find model, professional modeling start from 10 dollar her or less....amateur who look better than real model in usa or europe are free...studio cost is dirty cheap....so we are competing with an environment where people pil is 200 dollar month, officially, and cost of production are 1 /10 of europe....so it's clear why spamming and still producing so many files is still financially motivator.

jonbull · « **Reply #102 on:** March 19, 2018, 07:54 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 07:01

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:50
Quote from: derek on March 18, 2018, 08:57
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 13:32
Quote from: derek on March 14, 2018, 12:51
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 09:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's! they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. $:-\$
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

i'm not blaming anybody...i'm just pointing pout that we are competing with the impossible. i produce most of my files in kiev...and i will move my production there this year...so good luck to you....ah but you are another amateur...i see.

jonbull · « **Reply #103 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:03 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 07:01

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:50
Quote from: derek on March 18, 2018, 08:57
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 13:32
Quote from: derek on March 14, 2018, 12:51
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 09:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's! they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. $:-\$
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD

as you can see at the moment even nairobi is much expensive than kiev.....medium salary even higher...so people don't have any incentive to spam producing mediocre image repeated thousand of times...i'm not blaming...i will do the same if this is the war we are facing.....just point out why there is this situation.
you simply don't know nothing, like your president, and blame other without any knowledge.
better shut up sometimes instead of appearing a moron. i don't talk about failure cause i don't talk about micro with amateur. you don't live out of photography so there is no point in discussing with you.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #104 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:06 »

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 07:54

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 07:01
Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:50
Quote from: derek on March 18, 2018, 08:57
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 13:32
Quote from: derek on March 14, 2018, 12:51
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 09:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's! they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. $:-\$
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

i'm not blaming anybody...i'm just pointing pout that we are competing with the impossible. i produce most of my files in kiev...and i will move my production there this year...so good luck to you....ah but you are another amateur...i see.

Lol, define amateur. This is not my main gig, indeed. But from the numbers you published on these endless sad "sales have stopped" threads, I definitely make more money than you, in US, with a smaller port, despite your low Ukranian prices.
It's ironic to consider low Ukrainian prices as the reason for spamming, when you are actually taking advantage of them

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #105 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:09 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on March 19, 2018, 07:06

Quote
that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

Lets not overlook the "fact" that Ukraine has the most "beautiful" women in the world. All too willing to be models for a fraction of the cost in London, Paris, Milan, etc

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html

The Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the west behind, and Moscow girls make me sing and shout the Gerogia's always on my mind.....

Zero Talent · « **Reply #106 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:15 »

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 07:01
Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:50
Quote from: derek on March 18, 2018, 08:57
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 13:32
Quote from: derek on March 14, 2018, 12:51
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 09:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's! they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. $:-\$
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD

as you can see at the moment even nairobi is much expensive than kiev.....medium salary even higher...so people don't have any incentive to spam producing mediocre image repeated thousand of times...i'm not blaming...i will do the same if this is the war we are facing.....just point out why there is this situation.
you simply don't know nothing, like your president, and blame other without any knowledge.
better shut up sometimes instead of appearing a moron. i don't talk about failure cause i don't talk about micro with amateur. you don't live out of photography so there is no point in discussing with you.

Ah so, from Ukraine, Russia, east-countries and south Asia, you first narrowed it down to Ukraine and now, even further to Kiev only! Why don't you say so?

For your information, the average salary in Kenya is $76 while in Ukraine is $200 dropping down from $426 because of Putin's war.
Get your facts straight, my friend.
Stay away from unfounded generalizations and bogus theories.
It is so funny to realise that a "moron amateur" from US is making more money than you, with a smaller port, and without the advantages of low Ukrainian costs!

PS. I fully aggre with your statement about the moron US president

jonbull · « **Reply #107 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:20 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 08:15

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:03
Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 07:01
Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:50
Quote from: derek on March 18, 2018, 08:57
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 13:32
Quote from: derek on March 14, 2018, 12:51
Quote from: jonbull on March 14, 2018, 09:15
since they killed best match i stop growing despite my last upload are much better than the photos i sell regularly.
simply i sell photo who have good position in popular tabs.
new photos sales , i mean last 3 4 months accounts for 1 2% of monthly earning. i'm still in line with last year march, but i cannot grow. nothing.
with the crap of thousand files uploaded everyday, any mentally safe customer will browse through the new tab, to find a file interesting, and that matches the keyword searched, in the middle of a sea of snapshots.

for example isotck is constantly growing, despite the 0,15 commission, it grows sale and most of all it sells mostly new files.
if i search for statistic of view most of files uploaded in the last months are viewed and bought.
adobe is in the middle.

ss messed everything.

THhey have almost killed off single-sales and OD's! they go elsewhere and I think you can guess where??

yes what surprise me is the totally lack of el and big sale since january....i still have many 2,85 dollar this month, more than ferbruary. today 5 download , appalling day. only sub so far.
also adobe seems to have forgot big sale...i was used to have many 2,50 dollar and 7,50....recently only 0,29 sales....

you know what i think? i think that all those free website ar putting the last nail in the coffin.
they have millions already of download...mostly are download stolen from micro stock. why i should pay 300 dollar for an extended license if i can find the photo i need for free?

not will be curios to see the next financial result of ss.

You might be right?? but I have another angle to all these people in Ukraine, the east-countries, the phillipines ( no offence to anyone) $10 a day is a lot of money and for that they will upload like crazy I mean upload like mad and thats where a lot of money is going, then they have to satisfy the "factories" or else they pull out millions of shots.....the single sort of contributor like us, well we are pretty much expendible. $:-\$
i agree. they have an incentive to upload like crazy....just to earn 20 dollar a day....you know is 580 gryvna right now in kiev....you know how much cost right now a ride in taxi in the center of kiev?
35 gryvna...a pizza? 80 gryvna....packet of cigarette? 28 gryvna....so with 580 gryvna you can do pretty lot of stuff while in any western country you cant' live.
so spamming and uploading thousand of similar files , can produce 20 dollar? let's do it...my friend do it?...so do i.....that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

I'm pretty certain that prices are much lower in Kenya. If low prices are the reason for spamming, where are the Kenyan spammers? Or Ethiopian spammers, etc.

There is nothing abnormal to have thousands of producers from a country with 45m people, because it is not abnormal to have thousands of producers from, let's say Spain, or France, etc

Besides, it is fair to assume that a massive majority of these thousands of producers are talented and hard working. Unfortunately for you it means tough competition. You better raise up your game, instead of blaming a whole country for your failure.

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ukraine&displayCurrency=USD

https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/in/Nairobi?displayCurrency=USD

as you can see at the moment even nairobi is much expensive than kiev.....medium salary even higher...so people don't have any incentive to spam producing mediocre image repeated thousand of times...i'm not blaming...i will do the same if this is the war we are facing.....just point out why there is this situation.
you simply don't know nothing, like your president, and blame other without any knowledge.
better shut up sometimes instead of appearing a moron. i don't talk about failure cause i don't talk about micro with amateur. you don't live out of photography so there is no point in discussing with you.

Ah so, from Ukraine, Russia, east-countries and south Asia, you first narrowed it down to Ukraine and now, even further to Kiev only! Why don't you say so?

For your information, the average salary in Kenya is $76 while in Ukraine is $200 dropping down from $426 because of Putin's war.
Get your facts straight, my friend.
Stay away from unfounded generalizations and bogus theories.

go to nairobi and try living there as western style...then go to ukraine or russia outside moscow.....even angola is in africa but their capital is one of the most expensive city in world....i'm sure nairobi is much more expensive than kiev.

i repeat talk about michigan texas your city...you don't have a clue what you are talking about. really.

Mantis · « **Reply #108 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:22 »

Well, back to the subject if anyone is interested, the behavior of my sales there are definitely changing. Subs keep going down but I have been getting $100 plus single sales. Video is struggling now for some reason. So while I still make my "average" it's coming in in different ways. One cylinder goes up, two go down. Last week I had two days in the middle of the week where I only made $4-$5 for the day - 12 sub sales. Seeing this A LOT more. Then on another day, BAM I get a big image sale. Maybe pepper in a video sale now and then but video has softened while big single sales have risen.

jonbull · « **Reply #109 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:24 »

if we earn the same but my cost of production is 10 times....who do you need has an incentive to produce?
is simple math. spam is the consequences..ifthere are thousand of contributor beginning producing thousand of files....you need to produce more to keep the same level of sales...especially if you shoot some kind of theme or produce vectors....spamming is the consequences. in usa nobody has an incentive right now to enter micro stock or producing due to low earning. in ukraine and russia. yes.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #110 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:31 »

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:24

...in usa nobody has an incentive right now to enter micro stock or producing due to low earning. in ukraine and russia. yes.

What about Peru, Bolivia, Libya? Why only Ukraine and Russia? Your bias and personal feelings are overwhelming your logic.

I can give you numerous examples of spammers from US.

Linking low Ukrainian wages to spamming rather than to hard work is no different than blaming spamming on cyrillic alphabet. Same failed "logic".

Low cost of production is a fact, but it doesn't have anything to do with spamming. Spamming costs are minimal.

niktol · « **Reply #111 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:37 »

In the spirit of the battle against spamming I propose an innovative approach of quoting only the post being answered, not the entire thread.

jonbull · « **Reply #112 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:39 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 08:31

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:24
...in usa nobody has an incentive right now to enter micro stock or producing due to low earning. in ukraine and russia. yes.

What about Peru, Bolivia, Libya? Why only Ukraine and Russia? Your bias and personal feelings are overwhelming your logic.

I can give you numerous examples of spammers from US.
Linking low Ukrainina wages to spamming rather than to hard work is no different than blaming spamming on cyrillic alphabet. Same failed "logic".

listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #113 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:45 »

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:39

listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?

It looks to me that, while I don't like Trump, indeed, I rather defend Russia and Ukraine here! Weird isn't it?
That's only because I defend logic. And it looks that both you and the current US president lack it, big time.

Again, low Ukrainian production costs have nothing to do with spamming.
Spamming costs nothing, except for a good internet connection (and that's rather available in countries with developed infrastructure)

I have to admit that I didn't know that Africa Studio was based in Ukraine, Russia or South Asia! Loool! You're so funny, when you're angry!

niktol · « **Reply #114 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:50 »

Quote from: Brasilnut on March 19, 2018, 07:06

Quote
that's why there are literally thousand of producers from this country.

Lets not overlook the "fact" that Ukraine has the most "beautiful" women in the world. All too willing to be models for a fraction of the cost in London, Paris, Milan, etc

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162181/Ukrainian-Swedish-women-named-worlds-best-looking.html

I am pretty sure women featured in this article don't work for peanuts.

As for someone being named something doesn't mean much nowadays.

derek · « **Reply #115 on:** March 19, 2018, 08:58 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 06:46

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 06:32
Quote from: Zero Talent on March 18, 2018, 16:42
Quote from: Sammy the Cat on March 18, 2018, 15:45
Quote from: Zero Talent on March 18, 2018, 13:00
Quote from: derek on March 18, 2018, 12:56
We have had this discussion before and nobody took any offence right, what happens is that, well remember the guy with thousands of images of weed, pot?? all the same but the camera was moved an inch or two. That happens a lot. Just the other week I saw about 20 pictures of a peeled orange and they were almost identical, then a peeled banana almost identical!
Of course one could argue thats the fault of the reviewer for letting them all through but there you go. This happens a lot!

As I said in the post before yours, it is far fetched to assume that this type of cheating is specific to countries where $10/day means "a lot of money".

Why would you say that?

He said it because its true but no one will accept that.

Look at all the cheats that get found and they generally come from the usual suspects

This is ridiculous. No different than the famous "sh*thole countries" statement from a famous moron.

I can give you many examples of spamers with names like Jeremy Nathan, etc.
Or maybe such anglo-saxon names are part of your "usual suspects" list? If so, I doubt that likes of Jeremy Nathan would consider $10/day "a lot of money"

sure there are spammers every where in the world but th bulk come from the sam country.,.russia and ukraine ahead. you can easily see it with search tab in ss.

If it it is true, what is the link between "$10/day is a lot of money" (aka poverty) and spamming?

It could well be the use non-latin alphabets, from what I know, or preference for vodka, or many other similar "reasons".

Vodka?? screw that! yaki! Prefer a single malt whiskey, something lik MacAlllens or Glenfiditch!!

niktol · « **Reply #116 on:** March 19, 2018, 09:12 »

Quote from: derek on March 19, 2018, 08:58

Vodka?? screw that! yaki! Prefer a single malt whiskey, something lik MacAlllens or Glenfiditch!!

It's hard to compare. Best whiskeys have a distinct taste and flavor. Best vodkas don't. Noone sips vodka. Well, I've seen people do it but that's just because they have no clue.

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #117 on:** March 19, 2018, 09:18 »

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:39

listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?

You win your doing a nice immitation of Trayon White Sr. where the argument sinks to name calling insults and personal attacks. I'll take Gin

dpimborough · « **Reply #118 on:** March 19, 2018, 09:46 »

This place gets more like the RT.com comments section everyday

derek · « **Reply #119 on:** March 19, 2018, 10:51 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on March 19, 2018, 09:18

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 08:39
listen moron...i don't have any bias...i love ukriane and russia....i live in ukraine most of year and love people there....if you don't understand why no peru libya or other is your problem pathetic jerk....i understand you are in an anti trump way of life and you think i'm against russia or ukraine for any political reason...moron i repeat that has nothing to do with politic or personal country....it's simply an nalisysy of cost of production and level of production...if lydian peru and bolivia contributor will act like that i will talk about them...but unfortunately is not. africa studio alone probably has more files than all the south america. you understand pathetic moron?

You win your doing a nice immitation of Trayon White Sr. where the argument sinks to name calling insults and personal attacks. I'll take Gin

Gin? well so and so! gives me a headache!....how about a really good Konjak then? still not like a single malt!

jonbull · « **Reply #120 on:** March 19, 2018, 11:17 »

https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300

let's see
hard working or spamming?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #121 on:** March 19, 2018, 11:47 »

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 11:17

https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300

let's see
hard working or spamming?

You keep on running around your tail. What are you trying to prove with that link? That spammers do exist in Russia? Never argued the contrary!

I argued against what you considered the root cause for spamming: $10/day = "a lot of money" => spamming.

Then you threw in the discussion, the low cost of production in some countries, as an explanation for spamming, when it is obvious that spamming costs nothing. Low cost of production are important when you produce original content, not when you upload the same thing multiple times. Duh!

You also claimed that $10/day = "a lot of money" = low production costs => it must be Ukraine, Russia, East Countries and South Asia, when it is obvious that many other countries are satisfying your so called "spamming criteria". You even gave me "Africa Studios" as an example to prove your point! Hilarious!

For each link you send trying to prove your fallacy, I can send you similar links, to "prove" the opposite.

What about BestStockPhotos from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/beststockphotos1. See his first page full of autumn leaves. Or the series of "marijuana cookies with fork" a few pages later?
Since weed was mentioned, what about Doug Shutter, from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jeremynathan

jonbull · « **Reply #122 on:** March 19, 2018, 11:54 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 19, 2018, 11:47

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 11:17
https://it.fotolia.com/search?serie=195025178&offset=300

let's see
hard working or spamming?

You keep on running around your tail. What are you trying to prove with that link? That spammers do exist in Russia? Never argued the contrary!

I argued against what you considered the root cause for spamming: $10/day = "a lot of money" => spamming.

Then you threw in the discussion, the low cost of production in some countries, as an explanation for spamming, when it is obvious that spamming costs nothing. Low cost of production are important when you produce original content, not when you upload the same thing multiple times. Duh!

You also claimed that $10/day = "a lot of money" = low production costs => it must be Ukraine, Russia, East Countries and South Asia, when it is obvious that many other countries satisfying your so called "spamming criteria"

For each link you send trying to prove your fallacy, I can send you similar links, to "prove" the opposite.

What about BestStockPhotos from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/beststockphotos1
What about Jeremy Nathan (aka Doug Shutter), from United States: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/jeremynathan

it's ukraine and russia because they are from russia and ukraine...ahhah,.......i'm considering real portfolio....this is something done extensively in ukraine and russia ...sure there are other nations with some spammers....but this is mostly related to these country...
and i told why....if you earn 20 dollar from micro stock in ukraine you are much richer than a doctor in hospital...so that's why you are eager to do micro and spam .....understand?
there was a site with a ranking of micro stock producer....i cannot find...russia and ukraine accounted for at least 30%

by the way the firs has 10000, pretty normal for any contributor in soviet state, the other 46000...

Zero Talent · « **Reply #123 on:** March 19, 2018, 12:00 »

Quote from: jonbull on March 19, 2018, 11:54

it's ukraine and russia because they are from russia and ukraine...ahhah,.......i'm considering real portfolio....this is something done extensively in ukraine and russia ...sure there are other nations with some spammers....but this is mostly related to these country...
and i told why....if you earn 20 dollar from micro stock in ukraine you are much richer than a doctor in hospital...so that's why you are eager to do micro and spam .....understand?
there was a site with a ranking of micro stock producer....i cannot find...russia and ukraine accounted for at least 30%

by the way the firs has 10000, pretty normal for any contributor in soviet state, the other 46000...

And I'm saying that low cost of production has nothing to do with spamming! How hard is to understand that?
You give me random examples, I can do exactly the same to show you the opposite.

Even if you manage to collect enough data to justify your assertion in a statistical way (instead of giving random examples), the low cost of production link will still be just correlation, not causation!

Do I have to explain you the difference?

PS. And no, the examples I gave you are not from Russia, nor Ukraine. See attached.

Sedge · « **Reply #124 on:** March 19, 2018, 23:22 »

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