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« on: July 31, 2017, 23:26 »
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Old content is selling normally but new uploads sales almost stopped for me from couple of weeks.
Is same happening with you guys?


substancep

  • Medical, science, nature, and macro photography

« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2017, 00:33 »
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No. My new images sell in around 3-4 days. Some sell almost instantly. I guess it just depends on a lot of random factors.

Chichikov

« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2017, 01:49 »
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Old content is selling normally but new uploads sales almost stopped for me from couple of weeks.
Is same happening with you guys?

I have always good sales with my old content, but my new content don't sell a lot.

As now Shutterstock accepts almost anything, our images are "lost" in the multitude and the time for the search engine indexing is surely very longer.

I just rely on the fact that my new images will become old and they will begin to sell :D

« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2017, 04:47 »
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Would be interesting to know if the sites push down new images from people that are on higher commission tiers.  It sure feels like that.  My new images just vanish now.

« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2017, 08:18 »
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It's been variable - some new images sell right away, some almost never and many others seem to take a couple of months before they get discovered.

« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2017, 08:25 »
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Not for me. Then again, nothing is selling for me. I'm quite disgusted with Shutterstock. I suspect their search is shifted to new contributors to lower payouts and increase profits (earnings).  That's what happens when you have shareholders to answer to.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2017, 08:30 by Mantis »

Brasilnut

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« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2017, 08:25 »
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Uploaded yesterday and sold today, but generally it's slow going at first

« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2017, 08:32 »
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Uploaded yesterday and sold today, but generally it's slow going at first

One datapoint does not constitute the whole.  If we look at the population (all contributors' new uploaded content), that content does not sell "as a whole" , but there are always outliers, or exceptions.  I don't think anyone in here is saying that not a single new images sells, what we are saying is that as a whole new images do not sell. 

OM

« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2017, 08:37 »
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If something new sells, it sells for a couple of times and then usually disappears; never to sell again. That's not the reason I'm in microstock so I''ve stopped uploading as it seems pointless. I have sales of 2,000+ of a couple of images I uploaded in 2012 and around 30 images that sold 100+ all of which were uploaded years ago. I don't think I have anything uploaded in the past 2 years that managed above 25 sales so why bother.

« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2017, 08:42 »
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If something new sells, it sells for a couple of times and then usually disappears; never to sell again. That's not the reason I'm in microstock so I''ve stopped uploading as it seems pointless. I have sales of 2,000+ of a couple of images I uploaded in 2012 and around 30 images that sold 100+ all of which were uploaded years ago. I don't think I have anything uploaded in the past 2 years that managed above 25 sales so why bother.

My philosophy is that sometime down the road my new images will be old (by whatever definition SS uses to define old) and I will make sales.  I still upload but I have only just recently started back up in the studio and really have no motivation.  Incentive to shoot is tied to outcome and with MS going into the toilet I'm really focusing elsewhere, video and POD.

OM

« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2017, 08:48 »
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You know, it's funny but SS seems to be presenting a lot of 'Additional Resources' written by wannabe curators or film/video buffs. Many of those shots illustrating the article have that 'wow' factor (fabulous landscapes etc) but when I view the contributor's portfolio, the particular shot is nowhere to be found on the first 2 pages of popular which indicates to me that it may be a 'I wish I'd taken that' shot but it just doesn't put any money in the bank @38 cents for a sub.
I find Alamy's 'Additional Resources' much more helpful and relevant to the business of stock photography.

OM

« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2017, 08:54 »
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If something new sells, it sells for a couple of times and then usually disappears; never to sell again. That's not the reason I'm in microstock so I''ve stopped uploading as it seems pointless. I have sales of 2,000+ of a couple of images I uploaded in 2012 and around 30 images that sold 100+ all of which were uploaded years ago. I don't think I have anything uploaded in the past 2 years that managed above 25 sales so why bother.

Incentive to shoot is tied to outcome and with MS going into the toilet I'm really focusing elsewhere, video and POD.

Absolutely. I recently finished a well-paid 2-week commission but can't motivate myself to pick up the camera again for stock. Don't know which direction I'll go in future but there's certainly no incentive to upload to SS as things are going now. Probably let the ole port wither on the vine and try to find better opportunities somewhere else.

« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2017, 10:04 »
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The upload age doesn't matter as much as what is the image! New and old sell if buyers want them. I have new that sell the first week and old that sell over and over for years. I also have flops that have never sold in years and some that are new that will probably never sell. It's not the age that matters, it's the what is it.

« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 02:24 »
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Thank you for those replies. Good to know that new content is selling.
I think I need to focus more on the demanding content. :)

« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2017, 03:26 »
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The upload age doesn't matter as much as what is the image! New and old sell if buyers want them. I have new that sell the first week and old that sell over and over for years. I also have flops that have never sold in years and some that are new that will probably never sell. It's not the age that matters, it's the what is it.

Not necessary. The same image on different sites with the same keywords have a different behaviour.

« Reply #15 on: August 16, 2017, 09:28 »
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In short: NEW IMAGES ARE NOT SELLING BECAUSE SS SEARCH ENGINE IS CONFIGURED LIKE THAT.
Explanation: It was a part of SS fight against spam, there are exceptions from that rule like new contributors not older than 6 months.

Comments on comments:

"Is same happening with you guys?" - Yes

"No. My new images sell in around 3-4 days. Some sell almost instantly" - How long are you on SS with your current account?

"I just rely on the fact that my new images will become old and they will begin to sell" - Yes if your profile doesn't have high ammount of "spam points"

"Would be interesting to know if the sites push down new images from people that are on higher commission tiers" - Yes managers at SS called that KPI indicator

"It's been variable - some new images sell right away, some almost never and many others seem to take a couple of months before they get discovered" - new images sells right away if the buyer search exactly enough so you don't have high concurrency, rest of them sells after couple of months and even more.

"I suspect their search is shifted to new contributors to lower payouts and increase profits (earnings)" - Exactly, main KPI indicator is to raise profit, so they must cut their expenses.

"Uploaded yesterday and sold today, but generally it's slow going at first" - Editorial photos have different search engine rules, if this is editorial photo. In case it's not than buyer probably search exactly enough for you to be on first pages.

"content does not sell as a whole , but there are always outliers, or exceptions" - Yes, keep in mind that search engine rules (parameters) are very complex and could be changed on daily basis so it is very hard to recognize "patterns". Business intelligence engine with data mining could automatically change search engine parameters every single day based on daily analysis what is currently most profitable  search engine strategy, for stock holders off course.

"If something new sells, it sells for a couple of times and then usually disappears; never to sell again" - Your were lucky that buyer searched exactly enough.

"The upload age doesn't matter as much as what is the image! New and old sell if buyers want them" - Yes it matters, new content is not selling except in a few exceptions like new contributors or specific content or exact buyer search, etc...

"The same image on different sites with the same keywords have a different behaviour" - that's normal, even in a fair play buyers are not the same.

Bad Company

« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2017, 21:21 »
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compared to Adobe Stock - No.


angelawaye

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« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2017, 22:06 »
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NO, new images are NOT selling.

k_t_g

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« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2017, 22:34 »
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Yes they do but sometimes not right away. They don't always catch someones eye right away and then bam! I had one image that didn't sell anything for the first year and then I was getting several extended licensees on it.  :)

« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2017, 22:52 »
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I just checked the new images and surprise to see that the approved images are not even in my portfolio after 2 days.  :o

« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2017, 00:18 »
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No, new images are lost somewhere in the search engine. But... I stayed for a long time without adding new images and since I started to upload again,  my rate of sales of the old images have increased.

« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2017, 00:25 »
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NO, new images are NOT selling.
Same here. Images are not selling. Only videos are selling.

derek

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« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2017, 01:12 »
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mistake! dont know what happened here but all text disappeared!

anyway answer to sharpshots post: of course they do!  been doing for a long time now. You can test it! upload 5 shots and then ask somebody on 0.25c to upload at the very same time. You wont believe it youre shots are basically nowhere to be seen. Done it a few times just to be sure. Never fails and just to point out for the usual non believers. This is NOT a conspiracy theory its been going on since last X-mas. Sure there are exceptions but on the whole thats their strategy. Its business if they can earn more agency revenue that way why not?  I would do the same.

« Last Edit: August 17, 2017, 01:18 by derek »

« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2017, 03:00 »
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I wouldn't mind if we could have 2 accounts and upload new images to the new account at the lowest rate.  Getting almost nothing for new images is demoralising.

derek

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« Reply #24 on: August 17, 2017, 04:26 »
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I wouldn't mind if we could have 2 accounts and upload new images to the new account at the lowest rate.  Getting almost nothing for new images is demoralising.

Agree its very demoralizing! Yes that would be a perfect alternative but I doubt they want that since they are reaping the profits by only promoting lower end royalty members, saving millions in payouts.
Somebody in their own forum had made some calculations based on 6 months and it was incredible the money they saved were in the tens of millions. He got banned from their forum btw not surprising.


 

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