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EO

« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2021, 17:45 »
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Afro-textured maybe, but afro hair doesn't make sense to me for that photo. Those are braids in the US. I'd search for braids if I were looking for that photo. I'd search for afro if I were looking for a style like Viola Davis currently wears. Are you trying to describe a texture or a style? There's a difference (Afro/afro), which you can probably research if it's important enough to you.

Not touching the rest of this discourse with a ten foot pole and a hazmat suit on.



« Reply #26 on: February 17, 2021, 17:48 »
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Quote from: jerk
I spend hours looking for photos. and can't find them because of your complete race base labeling.

? they spent hours looking at your pix? or all pix s/he looked at were racist?

« Reply #27 on: February 17, 2021, 18:48 »
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This brouhaha makes me glad I mostly shoot critters.

Not a single wild burro I've ever photographed has come back to complain that I didn't call him/her a wild donkey.   :D


Haha, this one made my day!

Glad I could cheer you up!

Take a look at a mom-and-youngun pair of wild burros in Nevada.
https://stock.adobe.com/images/two-wild-burros-an-adult-female-and-a-juvenile-at-dawn-on-a-prairie-in-nevada/300226682

« Reply #28 on: February 17, 2021, 20:07 »
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"Please change your labeling of your photography on shutter stock as it is it is not even kinda racist.  You referring to a woman of color ...."

I just stop reading when SS called woman of "color".... LOL! You see In Europe, specially in Portugal, that is racist because we are educated that people don't actually have colors but they just different ethnicity. For instance here and in Spain "Negro" is the correct answer because Black is too much racist. you can find this in wiki too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro. But I know that is different in other cultures like USA where it seems Black is the right answer aside from Martin Luther King, Jr. called his own race as "Negro" in his famous "I Have a Dream" speech of 1963.

So it depends actually of the culture background. I know that "Afro Hair" is the exact term in Guinea West Africa since I lived there for a year. Also is the same word in Portugal. Probably is an offensive term in USA. In this case you should delete for something which can not give you so much trouble like "African Hair Style".
« Last Edit: February 17, 2021, 22:07 by Evaristo tenscadisto »

« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2021, 22:05 »
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This brouhaha makes me glad I mostly shoot critters.

Not a single wild burro I've ever photographed has come back to complain that I didn't call him/her a wild donkey.   :D
You could be surprised. I was contacted once because of plant, someone insisted that I change the plant name or he will ask Shutterstock to remove my image. I refused,  image was still there when I deactivated my account last year.

« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2021, 03:04 »
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This brouhaha makes me glad I mostly shoot critters.

Not a single wild burro I've ever photographed has come back to complain that I didn't call him/her a wild donkey.   :D
You could be surprised. I was contacted once because of plant, someone insisted that I change the plant name or he will ask Shutterstock to remove my image. I refused,  image was still there when I deactivated my account last year.

That's funny!

But at least it wasn't the plant that complained about your "unfair treatment."

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« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2021, 04:16 »
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Good grief!  just tell him to bugger off!

« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2021, 10:04 »
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Ignore this nonsense.  Just some cancel-culture keyboard warrior.

I know quite a few people with afro-hair.  They all refer to their hair as "my 'fro" or "my afro".

Its descriptive.  There's a trend these days to ban accurate, descriptive words.  Don't fall for it.

The only real issue is that the woman doesn't have afro hair in the photo. I would argue the keyword is still valid outside of the hair as people search for Afro American (and buyers almost never use hyphens or quotation marks).

The weird thing is the person jumping to "you're a racist" from Anyka getting the name of a hairstyle wrong.

From where I come from, this exact style of hair is shortly called exactly "afro", a woman goes to a hair dresser and says "make me an afro" and this hair style is the result and I've seen lots of ads on facebook stating "cheap afro hair style, afro hair style specialist and so on".
I'm pretty sure in a lot of other Slavic countries it's known as "afro" and probably many more in Europe and Asia, so I think it's rather relevant keyword for this hair style. 

« Reply #33 on: February 18, 2021, 20:41 »
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Do a google search for "Afro Braids Hairstyle" and you will see exactly this type of hairstyle. I think the complainer is being rather literal and local-centric. Afro is a broad term, though I can see in some places it would be deemed offensive. Afro Hairstyle would cover a broad range of styles ...

My brain fails to compute the terms "black" and "people of color" when describing humans, very few people are truly "black" ad everyone is "colored" in some way ... sigh ... trying to be accurate can be very confusing.

EO

« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2021, 22:51 »
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From where I come from, this exact style of hair is shortly called exactly "afro", a woman goes to a hair dresser and says "make me an afro" and this hair style is the result and I've seen lots of ads on facebook stating "cheap afro hair style, afro hair style specialist and so on".
I'm pretty sure in a lot of other Slavic countries it's known as "afro" and probably many more in Europe and Asia, so I think it's rather relevant keyword for this hair style.

Fascinating. What do Black women there ask for when they don't want braids, but they don't want it straight, just styled in its natural state?

« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2021, 23:52 »
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EO

« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2021, 02:39 »
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Cool article and mini collection. So many beautiful and unique styles. Shame they are all flattened to just afro hairstyle. Thanks for sharing!

« Reply #37 on: February 19, 2021, 03:44 »
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I just thought, it was funny, that this article came up ~2 days later after this thread started

« Reply #38 on: February 19, 2021, 04:11 »
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Well, I ended the story by blocking him, but only after he continued his "attack" and even talked about "going public" with a news article.  That did not impress me very much ... a newsarticle about a small Belgian photographer in a North Carolina newspaper on page 13 ?  Don't think my local clients will read that haha.
Anyway, I blocked him, but out of curiosity, I checked the images in Catalog Manager.  I never knew it was SO easy to change keywords or descriptions!!??  Changing "afro hair" into "braided hair" in the descriptions took me less than 3 minutes!

« Reply #39 on: February 19, 2021, 08:01 »
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Learn how to block the noise, and your life will be filled with beautiful colors.

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« Reply #40 on: February 19, 2021, 09:56 »
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https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/how-we-show-it-black-hair

OMG all this fuss over hair? What's the world coming to?

Well, I ended the story by blocking him, but only after he continued his "attack" and even talked about "going public" with a news article.  That did not impress me very much ... a newsarticle about a small Belgian photographer in a North Carolina newspaper on page 13 ?  Don't think my local clients will read that haha.
Anyway, I blocked him, but out of curiosity, I checked the images in Catalog Manager.  I never knew it was SO easy to change keywords or descriptions!!??  Changing "afro hair" into "braided hair" in the descriptions took me less than 3 minutes!


Wow someone off their nut. Good that you just blocked them and I hope all the support here has convinced you that you aren't racist or doing something wrong. Now if someone searches and you know how generalized keywords can be for buyers, your images won't be seen because of some meddlesome strange person.


« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2021, 15:03 »
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I just stop reading when SS called woman of "color".... LOL! You see In Europe, specially in Portugal, that is racist because we are educated that people don't actually have colors but they just different ethnicity. For instance here and in Spain "Negro" is the correct answer because Black is too much racist. you can find this in wiki too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro. But I know that is different in other cultures like USA where it seems Black is the right answer aside from Martin Luther King, Jr. called his own race as "Negro" in his famous "I Have a Dream" speech of 1963.
SS automatically blocks "offensive" words in description. Not sure about keywords, didn't try after I got the angry red pop up message about Latin word "Nigra" being unacceptable. It wasn't even about a person, there's a 2000 years old Roman gate in German city of Trier that is called The Black Gate or in original Latin "Porta Nigra". I'm pretty sure people would search it by "Porta Nigra" as that's the most popular name, at least in this region. No other agency had any problem with the word.


« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2021, 18:47 »
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SS blocks automatically a lot of things....

Personally i find this site behavior like a bot "being" a bot in almost everything.
i already see some companies here start to go more for adobe instead SS for video.  When i ask why there were a lot of reasons:  "no personal assistance" for some of purchases, licenses clearance specially for subscriptions, double payments, lack of feedback in time....

i smiled.   
« Last Edit: February 20, 2021, 18:56 by Evaristo tenscadisto »

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« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2021, 07:19 »
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Someone might have already mentioned this, but technically we wouldn't call or label that look as "afro". I wouldn't necessarily call that label racist, really just an inaccurate description. So if someone from our community was searching for that specific term afro, would likely skip over that result.

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« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2021, 17:59 »
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@Anyka:

Are you aware of that you ensure at ss this image can be used for sensitive use ?


In such cases there could be a BIG damage, you will pay the bill.

« Reply #45 on: February 23, 2021, 03:27 »
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@Anyka:
Are you aware of that you ensure at ss this image can be used for sensitive use ?


Yes, I am aware, thanks.

« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2021, 17:04 »
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« Last Edit: February 27, 2021, 19:10 by DiscreetDuck »

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« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2021, 05:33 »
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Ignore this nonsense.  Just some cancel-culture keyboard warrior.

I know quite a few people with afro-hair.  They all refer to their hair as "my 'fro" or "my afro".

Its descriptive.  There's a trend these days to ban accurate, descriptive words.  Don't fall for it.
ignore it? 
Cancel Culture is the New Normal. It's gone beyond the keyboard i'm afraid.  maybe you haven't noticed it yet, but by the time you do, it'll be too late.

« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2021, 07:42 »
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Wow, it seems that the lunatics are now running the asylum. No wonder it has become the new normal.
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/how-we-show-it-black-hair
When to expect the article about asian straight hair celebration?

ShadySue

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« Reply #49 on: March 01, 2021, 08:41 »
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Wow, it seems that the lunatics are now running the asylum. No wonder it has become the new normal.
https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/how-we-show-it-black-hair
When to expect the article about asian straight hair celebration?

That article only refers to the African-American experience. That's extremely culturally limited. I doubt very much that the experience of e.g. African-Scots is remotely like that which the article references, far less Africans living in Africa.

I think that was the problem of the complainer in the OP.
« Last Edit: March 01, 2021, 09:14 by ShadySue »


 

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