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« Reply #150 on: October 01, 2015, 02:03 »
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shutterstock has lowered my cap by exactly 150 euro per month. it's freaky how they control earnings per contributor


« Reply #151 on: October 01, 2015, 03:51 »
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it doesn't really work like that in the photo-agency business. SS, whats their company assets?.... picture of course. They are in the business of selling pictures, the more the better. By keeping the majority of contributors "happy"  they will forever upload more and more and soon some 60 million assets will turn into 70 million assets. The share-holders are extremely impressed with this.

Of course what they don't think about is that all these assets belong to the photographers but we have allowed SS to market and sell them on our behalf since they can do that a heck of a lot better then we can.

Its business all the way. :)

Shutterstock is in the business of selling Subscriptions and other plans - not selling pictures. There is no real incentive to have more images downloaded unless they can get more buyers to purchase more Subscription Plans.

Of course its subscriptions packages, the ultimate killer of this industry, we all know that. I was calling it pictures since their product is pictures and not cars. Thats all.

However if you have lets say plenty of EL's, Single-sales and On-demand sales. That is sales of single images. Not subscriptions.

« Reply #152 on: October 01, 2015, 09:15 »
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it doesn't really work like that in the photo-agency business. SS, whats their company assets?.... picture of course. They are in the business of selling pictures, the more the better. By keeping the majority of contributors "happy"  they will forever upload more and more and soon some 60 million assets will turn into 70 million assets. The share-holders are extremely impressed with this.

Of course what they don't think about is that all these assets belong to the photographers but we have allowed SS to market and sell them on our behalf since they can do that a heck of a lot better then we can.

Its business all the way. :)

Shutterstock is in the business of selling Subscriptions and other plans - not selling pictures. There is no real incentive to have more images downloaded unless they can get more buyers to purchase more Subscription Plans.

Of course its subscriptions packages, the ultimate killer of this industry, we all know that. I was calling it pictures since their product is pictures and not cars. Thats all.

However if you have lets say plenty of EL's, Single-sales and On-demand sales. That is sales of single images. Not subscriptions.

True - but I'd venture to say that for most people Sub's make up the bulk of their sales at SS.
Last year there were many more SODs.
I think it was naive of all of us to expect SS would be able to continue to provide the same level of higher dollar sales.
It was inevitable that competition would erode those sales, make deals with those same buyers and we would be the ones to really suffer.

« Reply #153 on: October 01, 2015, 11:16 »
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I never got fooled by that, no way. I knew from earlier experience that once share-holders, this and that came into the picture. That was it. End of a nice story.

Further more you have Adobe/FT just around the corner and I know for a fact that serious buyers will for sure follow the name Adobe, it rings loud and clear.
Possibly thats one of the reasons why ELs, single-sales are getting scarce and subs packages are selling like mad.

Rinderart

« Reply #154 on: October 01, 2015, 12:04 »
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I never got fooled by that, no way. I knew from earlier experience that once share-holders, this and that came into the picture. That was it. End of a nice story.

Further more you have Adobe/FT just around the corner and I know for a fact that serious buyers will for sure follow the name Adobe, it rings loud and clear.
Possibly thats one of the reasons why ELs, single-sales are getting scarce and subs packages are selling like mad.

Agree. Big time.

« Reply #155 on: October 01, 2015, 12:20 »
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Recently i strongly suscribe to the cap theory, not daily but in certain time lapse.

Now I have my doubts, and I think what we (some of us) interpret as a cap it is really some kind of algorithm that is trying to give an "equal" income to active uploader users...

When i say "equal" i dont mean the same earning for everyone of us, but a least divide total sales so everyone can get something according (maybe) to your country.

They can control sales restructuring the search algorithm, because top pages means sales...

I develop this new theory because:

1- It is not possilbe to sell any new pic without something like this. Without this just old top pics will be on top searches,new pics have no chance to compete against pics that was downloaded thousands of times (if downloads is the main search criteria).

2- It is not good for the business that the same pic (or just best 100 pics) is sold then advertising campaigns have no variety (asuming that the use microstock pics).

3- Somehow contributors are so important for the business, some people in the forum think that those who are not able to upload top pics about a concept are a waste of time for the business but buyers are not looking only for top pics about a concept, variety is important, hi quality pics, medium quality pics and low quality pics are very important for the business (not talking about resolution when i talk about quality). It is also important to increase the whole number of images in the database because if somebody will buy a suscription to a microstock page, it will be better to buy in this one with  greatest number of images.

So if a new contributor just upload a few images and he have no sell in the first week... he will get out of this business, the system must show him some kind of constant income. So, for that they must see the way to restructure the search engine to warranty him good exposure of his images...

4- My last point is something that for any reason no body talk about in this "CAP Conspirancy" thread and is the fact that when you stop uploading, for some reason your sales drop dramatically. If i dont i can see a good selling rate of my last week uploaded images (for example) but if i stop my last week images just stop sales... is this a way to keep us uploading without think??

« Reply #156 on: October 01, 2015, 13:28 »
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Recently i strongly suscribe to the cap theory, not daily but in certain time lapse.

Now I have my doubts, and I think what we (some of us) interpret as a cap it is really some kind of algorithm that is trying to give an "equal" income to active uploader users...

When i say "equal" i dont mean the same earning for everyone of us, but a least divide total sales so everyone can get something according (maybe) to your country.

They can control sales restructuring the search algorithm, because top pages means sales...

I develop this new theory because:

1- It is not possilbe to sell any new pic without something like this. Without this just old top pics will be on top searches,new pics have no chance to compete against pics that was downloaded thousands of times (if downloads is the main search criteria).

2- It is not good for the business that the same pic (or just best 100 pics) is sold then advertising campaigns have no variety (asuming that the use microstock pics).

3- Somehow contributors are so important for the business, some people in the forum think that those who are not able to upload top pics about a concept are a waste of time for the business but buyers are not looking only for top pics about a concept, variety is important, hi quality pics, medium quality pics and low quality pics are very important for the business (not talking about resolution when i talk about quality). It is also important to increase the whole number of images in the database because if somebody will buy a suscription to a microstock page, it will be better to buy in this one with  greatest number of images.

So if a new contributor just upload a few images and he have no sell in the first week... he will get out of this business, the system must show him some kind of constant income. So, for that they must see the way to restructure the search engine to warranty him good exposure of his images...

4- My last point is something that for any reason no body talk about in this "CAP Conspirancy" thread and is the fact that when you stop uploading, for some reason your sales drop dramatically. If i dont i can see a good selling rate of my last week uploaded images (for example) but if i stop my last week images just stop sales... is this a way to keep us uploading without think??

New, old?  it still don't add up. So how come then that Adobe/FT can do this?  instantly mix old with new. There must be thousands of times, 24 hours after acceptance I have seen some of my new files mixed with old on the front or second page and whats more: they hav sold instantly.

I mean dont get me wrong, it doesn't bother me, cap or not as long as good money is coming in, which it is. Would just be fun to find out.

« Reply #157 on: October 01, 2015, 13:34 »
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New, old?  it still don't add up. So how come then that Adobe/FT can do this?  instantly mix old with new. There must be thousands of times, 24 hours after acceptance I have seen some of my new files mixed with old on the front or second page and whats more: they hav sold instantly.

I mean dont get me wrong, it doesn't bother me, cap or not as long as good money is coming in, which it is. Would just be fun to find out.

I agree with you: "it doesn't bother me, cap or not as long as good money is coming in" (im not totally happy with my current incoming anyway)...

I do not want to defend the "cap theory" in an irrationally way; I just have some doubts about the inner workings of SS and try to share with you to see if we can support or refute this theories.

Hongover

« Reply #158 on: October 01, 2015, 13:38 »
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Recently i strongly suscribe to the cap theory, not daily but in certain time lapse.

Now I have my doubts, and I think what we (some of us) interpret as a cap it is really some kind of algorithm that is trying to give an "equal" income to active uploader users...

When i say "equal" i dont mean the same earning for everyone of us, but a least divide total sales so everyone can get something according (maybe) to your country.

They can control sales restructuring the search algorithm, because top pages means sales...

I develop this new theory because:

1- It is not possilbe to sell any new pic without something like this. Without this just old top pics will be on top searches,new pics have no chance to compete against pics that was downloaded thousands of times (if downloads is the main search criteria).

2- It is not good for the business that the same pic (or just best 100 pics) is sold then advertising campaigns have no variety (asuming that the use microstock pics).

3- Somehow contributors are so important for the business, some people in the forum think that those who are not able to upload top pics about a concept are a waste of time for the business but buyers are not looking only for top pics about a concept, variety is important, hi quality pics, medium quality pics and low quality pics are very important for the business (not talking about resolution when i talk about quality). It is also important to increase the whole number of images in the database because if somebody will buy a suscription to a microstock page, it will be better to buy in this one with  greatest number of images.

So if a new contributor just upload a few images and he have no sell in the first week... he will get out of this business, the system must show him some kind of constant income. So, for that they must see the way to restructure the search engine to warranty him good exposure of his images...

4- My last point is something that for any reason no body talk about in this "CAP Conspirancy" thread and is the fact that when you stop uploading, for some reason your sales drop dramatically. If i dont i can see a good selling rate of my last week uploaded images (for example) but if i stop my last week images just stop sales... is this a way to keep us uploading without think??

I haven't uploaded anything for a month and I just had the BME on Shutterstock.

There are multiple ways for new pics to get noticed. It appears new and undiscovered tabs. You can linked your images together with similar keywords and your popular images will drive downloads for new images. And if you keyword your images the right way, it can show up high on the search results. If you fight for single keywords like "cherry", you're might as well give up now. From what I'm seeing, many people have an abundance of skill, but lacking a understanding of key-wording.

Everyone has theories, but people keep forgetting common sense.


 

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