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Agency Based Discussion => Shutterstock.com => Topic started by: Rinderart on May 22, 2015, 20:15
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Im thinking yes. Anyone notice anything. Im having HUGE days from stuff that is so far Buried I can't tell ya. Like BDE in 10 Years kinda days since last tues. anyone? Not complaining one bit But WOW!! whatever there doing...PLEASE keep it up. Im Talking stuff that I didn't even recognize as Mine there so Old. And not just a random few Like always But the vast majority.... Maybe Im Part of a test?? Dunno.
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Im thinking yes. Anyone notice anything. Im having HUGE days from stuff that is so far Buried I can't tell ya. Like BDE in 10 Years kinda days since last tues. anyone? Not complaining one bit But WOW!! whatever there doing...PLEASE keep it up. Im Talking stuff that I didn't even recognize as Mine there so Old. And not just a random few Like always But the vast majority.... Maybe Im Part of a test?? Dunno.
Nothing out of the ordinary here.
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For sure something seems to be up.
Out of the blue I had ONE mega day in terms of DLs this week (not money). At last - I thought the 'old' normal might be back.
However, the new normality seems to have returned: three other weekdays have barely been better than normal weekend days in terms of DLs.
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I haven't sold much of my newer uploads for a long time now. My old images carry on selling, haven't noticed any change this month except I have no EL's and less SOD's than usual and I am heading for my worst month for earnings in years.
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I haven't sold much of my newer uploads for a long time now. My old images carry on selling, haven't noticed any change this month except I have no EL's and less SOD's than usual and I am heading for my worst month for earnings in years.
Several people reporting very bad months here including myself. I wonder if SS reporting is actually working properly.
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Im thinking yes. Anyone notice anything. Im having HUGE days from stuff that is so far Buried I can't tell ya. Like BDE in 10 Years kinda days since last tues. anyone? Not complaining one bit But WOW!! whatever there doing...PLEASE keep it up. Im Talking stuff that I didn't even recognize as Mine there so Old. And not just a random few Like always But the vast majority.... Maybe Im Part of a test?? Dunno.
Most likely you got a few customers who liked your portfolio and bought several images that day. In SS search you can see files slowly going up or down according to sales. Not like some other agencies where all of a sudden images change position completely.
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Things are normal for me. But if it is a test, I hope they roll it out quickly!
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Whats an EL????
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Whats an EL????
Really? BDE for ten years with no ELs?
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Whats an EL????
Really? BDE for ten years with no ELs?
It was a joke. BDE in Subs. My record is 8 EL's in a day about 3 years ago.
Sorry for trying to be Positive.....For a change. Im ending My month Up instead of down. Just wondering if anyone else is showing a change that may have happened this week that could or could not be tied to the search being changed. Maybe....Certain Ports or groups are being tested?
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I was worried about not making a payout for the first time in five years and this past week was pretty awesome. Finally!
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It seems I now get one day per week in the spotlight - for the rest it may as well be a weekend!
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I thought sales this month were looking to be like 20% down from May, but now it's looking like 10-12%... just before June hits. I don't know if anything changed, but I still miss the "good old days" of mid 2011 through mid 2012 when BME's were abundant and widespread.
The "Single & Other Downloads" can sneak up and make/break your month, nowadays
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What happened to the Facebook dls in the SOD space - used to add a nice sum to the bottom line but they seem to have dried up in May.
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Weird here too. I have last week all weekend days :(
In FT also. But my rankings grow. So all contributors sell fewer I think.
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Im thinking yes. Anyone notice anything. Im having HUGE days from stuff that is so far Buried I can't tell ya. Like BDE in 10 Years kinda days since last tues. anyone? Not complaining one bit But WOW!! whatever there doing...PLEASE keep it up. Im Talking stuff that I didn't even recognize as Mine there so Old. And not just a random few Like always But the vast majority.... Maybe Im Part of a test?? Dunno.
Could be just one customer has gone through your port and downloaded lots of things they like. Now the the daily download limits are gone it could be more likely to happen I guess.
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Im thinking yes. Anyone notice anything. Im having HUGE days from stuff that is so far Buried I can't tell ya. Like BDE in 10 Years kinda days since last tues. anyone? Not complaining one bit But WOW!! whatever there doing...PLEASE keep it up. Im Talking stuff that I didn't even recognize as Mine there so Old. And not just a random few Like always But the vast majority.... Maybe Im Part of a test?? Dunno.
Could be just one customer has gone through your port and downloaded lots of things they like. Now the the daily download limits are gone it could be more likely to happen I guess.
That's a good point - if they get to your port and like the images they might download a lot at once. I haven't noticed that any more than previously but we can always hope.
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They certainly have changed the search I've noticed when searching in relevant and popular that those searches just return clusters of images from single producers.
They drown everything else out.
The relevant and popular search is obviously being skewed toward certain individuals
Also prior to April SS always made up around 60% of my revenue April it dropped to 44% and May is no better
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This month is SHOCKING for me. Extremely low. Down by 25-30% compared to anything I remember. I haven't worried about too much of the microstock business while SS kept the numbers OK. But the recent numbers are remembering me to the sinking of IS and FTL (a few years ago). What . happened?
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And if you want proof on how skewed the relevant search is just look at this
it's supposed to be a search for latte coffee
Flooded by irrelevant shots all by one producer
http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?people_number=&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchterm=latte+coffee&people_ethnicity=&searchtermx=&color=&media_type=images&photographer_name=&search_source=&lang=en&language=en&version=llv1&autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&people_gender=&people_age=&safesearch=1&prev_sort_method=popular&sort_method=relevance2&page=1 (http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?people_number=&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchterm=latte+coffee&people_ethnicity=&searchtermx=&color=&media_type=images&photographer_name=&search_source=&lang=en&language=en&version=llv1&autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&people_gender=&people_age=&safesearch=1&prev_sort_method=popular&sort_method=relevance2&page=1)
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And if you want proof on how skewed the relevant search is just look at this
it's supposed to be a search for latte coffee
Flooded by irrelevant shots all by one producer
[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&language=en&lang=en&search_source=&safesearch=1&version=llv1&searchterm=latte+coffee&media_type=images&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&language=en&lang=en&search_source=&safesearch=1&version=llv1&searchterm=latte+coffee&media_type=images&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=[/url])
It's not so bad, I bet at least half of them have coffee in the image.
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And if you want proof on how skewed the relevant search is just look at this
it's supposed to be a search for latte coffee
Flooded by irrelevant shots all by one producer
[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&language=en&lang=en&search_source=&safesearch=1&version=llv1&searchterm=latte+coffee&media_type=images&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&language=en&lang=en&search_source=&safesearch=1&version=llv1&searchterm=latte+coffee&media_type=images&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=[/url])
It's not so bad, I bet at least half of them have coffee in the image.
I wondered if I had a different search result. I'd say well over half of what I see is specifically latte coffee. Do they have differentiated search results?
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And if you want proof on how skewed the relevant search is just look at this
it's supposed to be a search for latte coffee
Flooded by irrelevant shots all by one producer
[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&language=en&lang=en&search_source=&safesearch=1&version=llv1&searchterm=latte+coffee&media_type=images&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&language=en&lang=en&search_source=&safesearch=1&version=llv1&searchterm=latte+coffee&media_type=images&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&color=[/url])
It's not so bad, I bet at least half of them have coffee in the image.
I wondered if I had a different search result. I'd say well over half of what I see is specifically latte coffee. Do they have differentiated search results?
From what I see about 1/3 have a latte as their focus, 1/3 have a latte featured or incidental to the image, and another 1/3 don't have a latte in the image. For a search claiming to be about relevance all the images on the first page (out of 100,000 images with that keyword) should have a latte as the focus. The popular search is much more relevant for that keyword.
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From what I see about 1/3 have a latte as their focus, 1/3 have a latte featured or incidental to the image, and another 1/3 don't have a latte in the image. For a search claiming to be about relevance all the images on the first page (out of 100,000 images with that keyword) should have a latte as the focus. The popular search is much more relevant for that keyword.
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Aha, The relevant is not relevant at all!!
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For a search claiming to be about relevance all the images on the first page (out of 100,000 images with that keyword) should have a latte as the focus.
How could that be done without a human looking at every image and rating all the keywords for relative relevance, given that AFAIK there isn't a keyword ranking system when uploading to SS (correct me if I'm wrong).
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For a search claiming to be about relevance all the images on the first page (out of 100,000 images with that keyword) should have a latte as the focus.
How could that be done without a human looking at every image and rating all the keywords for relative relevance, given that AFAIK there isn't a keyword ranking system when uploading to SS (correct me if I'm wrong).
Keyword ranking when files are bought. Popular = best selling image with that keyword Relevant = best selling image for that keyword, for example. To put it another way popular ranks images, relevant ranks each keyword.
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For a search claiming to be about relevance all the images on the first page (out of 100,000 images with that keyword) should have a latte as the focus.
How could that be done without a human looking at every image and rating all the keywords for relative relevance, given that AFAIK there isn't a keyword ranking system when uploading to SS (correct me if I'm wrong).
Keyword ranking when files are bought. Popular = best selling image with that keyword Relevant = best selling image for that keyword, for example. To put it another way popular ranks images, relevant ranks each keyword.
Right.
So on SS, a new file in a high supply area can't get into a good position in 'relevant' until it has been bought several times by buyers sorting on 'new' or 'undiscovered', no matter how relevant it really is?
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For a search claiming to be about relevance all the images on the first page (out of 100,000 images with that keyword) should have a latte as the focus.
How could that be done without a human looking at every image and rating all the keywords for relative relevance, given that AFAIK there isn't a keyword ranking system when uploading to SS (correct me if I'm wrong).
Keyword ranking when files are bought. Popular = best selling image with that keyword Relevant = best selling image for that keyword, for example. To put it another way popular ranks images, relevant ranks each keyword.
Right.
So on SS, a new file in a high supply area can't get into a good position in 'relevant' until it has been bought several times by buyers sorting on 'new' or 'undiscovered', no matter how relevant it really is?
I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Are you saying they should manually go through 50 million files and rank each keyword or each file and then try to do it again every time a new file is uploaded? Buyers should determine which files are popular and which keywords are relevant, files with no sales shouldn't be high in those searches. I doubt many people would be happy with an inspector ranking their files.
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For a search claiming to be about relevance all the images on the first page (out of 100,000 images with that keyword) should have a latte as the focus.
How could that be done without a human looking at every image and rating all the keywords for relative relevance, given that AFAIK there isn't a keyword ranking system when uploading to SS (correct me if I'm wrong).
Keyword ranking when files are bought. Popular = best selling image with that keyword Relevant = best selling image for that keyword, for example. To put it another way popular ranks images, relevant ranks each keyword.
Right.
So on SS, a new file in a high supply area can't get into a good position in 'relevant' until it has been bought several times by buyers sorting on 'new' or 'undiscovered', no matter how relevant it really is?
I'm not sure what you're arguing here. Are you saying they should manually go through 50 million files and rank each keyword or each file and then try to do it again every time a new file is uploaded? Buyers should determine which files are popular and which keywords are relevant, files with no sales shouldn't be high in those searches. I doubt many people would be happy with an inspector ranking their files.
I'm not arguing.
I'm trying to understand how the system there works.
I'm now sure there must be different searches for different people. I'd say well over half of the latte coffee, following the link above, have latte coffee as the main part of the image, and a good proportion of the rest are very relevant, with some being less relevant and a very few not relevant. So it seems that Teddy, you and I are seeing different results. Though I guess it's also possible that we see the same results but have different views on what a relevant search on that term would be.
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Well this is what Teddy sees on the first page it's pretty well two thirds some russian bride and her beau mooning at each other
This has been gobbling up the relevant search for months now.
It's not just the only search I've done a number where relevant is just packed out with a single photogs work
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Well this is what Teddy sees on the first page it's pretty well two thirds some russian bride and her beau mooning at each other
This is not the selection of images I saw when I clicked the link you provided. What I saw was all shots of latte.
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Well this is what Teddy sees on the first page it's pretty well two thirds some russian bride and her beau mooning at each other
This is not the selection of images I saw when I clicked the link you provided. What I saw was all shots of latte.
How odd ???
Perhaps in my part of the world SS relevant search thinks this is what I need to see when looking for that perfect coffee shot ;D
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Well this is what Teddy sees on the first page it's pretty well two thirds some russian bride and her beau mooning at each other
This is not the selection of images I saw when I clicked the link you provided. What I saw was all shots of latte.
Yeah, if you click just on link, me to was seeing all coffee. But if you change "popular" into "relevant", I see the same thing as Teddy.
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What I see is totally different.
But when I checked just now, I noticed your link took me to the popular search. I have no idea how that happened.
When I changed to 'relevant', I got a huge wodge of questionable (to be polite) images, as on Teddy's screenshot above.
Don't know why the link changed to popular!
Probably even more evidence that SS is on that slippery slope. We've seen all this before elsewhere.
Added: Dumc beat me to it!
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Maybe my dumb or too much catnip
This should go to relevant :D
http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?people_number=&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchterm=latte+coffee&people_ethnicity=&searchtermx=&color=&media_type=images&photographer_name=&search_source=&lang=en&language=en&version=llv1&autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&people_gender=&people_age=&safesearch=1&prev_sort_method=popular&sort_method=relevance2&page=1 (http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?people_number=&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchterm=latte+coffee&people_ethnicity=&searchtermx=&color=&media_type=images&photographer_name=&search_source=&lang=en&language=en&version=llv1&autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&people_gender=&people_age=&safesearch=1&prev_sort_method=popular&sort_method=relevance2&page=1)
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The search is about where the searcher is... Period.
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Maybe my dumb or too much catnip
This should go to relevant :D
[url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?people_number=&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchterm=latte+coffee&people_ethnicity=&searchtermx=&color=&media_type=images&photographer_name=&search_source=&lang=en&language=en&version=llv1&autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&people_gender=&people_age=&safesearch=1&prev_sort_method=popular&sort_method=relevance2&page=1[/url] ([url]http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?people_number=&media_type2=images&search_cat=&searchterm=latte+coffee&people_ethnicity=&searchtermx=&color=&media_type=images&photographer_name=&search_source=&lang=en&language=en&version=llv1&autocomplete_id=14329306984897595000&people_gender=&people_age=&safesearch=1&prev_sort_method=popular&sort_method=relevance2&page=1[/url])
Yep, now I see what you were seeing. Several bride-and-groom pairs pigging out on lattes and wedding cake. Yum.
There are even duplicate versions in black and white. Yum-yum-yum.
All I can say is… I hope those images find buyers in other countries, 'cause they ain't likely to sell much in the US. (Especially the batch in the middle of the page.)
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Only if you are over simplistic and can't see past your own nose.
I could list 50 more conditional factors and probably be missing some. Location (ip address), time of day, previous searches, ad cookies, color preferences in previous views, purchases, keyword searches, where you came from, last viewed file, titles, categories, actual relevance of keywords between the same images, last ten files viewed, most sales per keyword divided by number of keywords, flat number of purchases per keyword, think of something.
But it's not just "where period".
The search is about where the searcher is... Period.
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The search is about where the searcher is... Period.
Well, Martha and I seem to be seeing the same as Teddy on that latte coffee search; she's in the US and I'm in the UK, not sure about the Cat. These 'bridal' images have no cultural resonance here, and from what Martha said, not in the US either. So any supposed geographic relevance isn't working.
Also clearly any claim that 'relevant' is based on sales on a given keyword is pretty unlikely based on that search.
But what do I know? Maybe photos of brides and grooms on their own in a shabby sixties-style cafe drinking latte through straws etc is absolutely trending right now. In the UK and US.
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In Firefox Private Browsing, 'Latte coffee' +'relevant' also gives me that same selection as Teddy showed. Which is the same selection approximately if I go via 'normal' channels. In EU.
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Maybe photos of brides and grooms on their own in a shabby sixties-style cafe drinking latte through straws etc is absolutely trending right now. In the UK and US.
Yep, Sue, right now all the spring-wedding magazines in the US are featuring newlyweds posed in plastic-tablecloth/heavy-drapes settings drinking lattes through straws. LOL!!!!!!!
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Maybe photos of brides and grooms on their own in a shabby sixties-style cafe drinking latte through straws etc is absolutely trending right now. In the UK and US.
Yep, Sue, right now all the spring-wedding magazines in the US are featuring newlyweds posed in plastic-tablecloth/heavy-drapes settings drinking lattes through straws. LOL!!!!!!!
As the good plan is to be ahead of the market, maybe these will be all over the autumn/winter bridal scene. 8)
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As the good plan is to be ahead of the market, maybe these will be all over the autumn/winter bridal scene. 8)
Fer sure. ;) I'll keep my eyes open for those pics.
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The search is about where the searcher is... Period.
Hum a friend in NYC sees the same thing as me and I'm on the other side of the world miles away
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I believe SS changed their ''search engine'' 5 monts ago in my case when earnings started to fall drastically :(
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Do you think they change the search for each portfolio individually? What you guys are experiencing is rotation. Just so that everyone gets in front of buyers.
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I think, what you're recognizing are the constant ups and downs as always. Nothing unusual.
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Taking in account different browsers.
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Taking in account different browsers.
Hmmm.
Firefox:
(http://www.lizworld.com/FF.jpg)
IE:
(http://www.lizworld.com/IE.jpg)
Chrome is marginally different:
(http://www.lizworld.com/Chrome1.jpg)
The rest of that page is almost identical in each browser.
NB, I don't have an account there, so not 'logged in'. There are probably cookies in FF, but not before right now in IE or Chrome, and I had no history at either of these, and arrived via cut and pasting the URI.
As Tickstock mentioned above, 'Popular', which seems to be the default, is actually much more 'Relevant' on that search.
OT: Sorry, can't compare any more. Got to get back to monitoring and sorting, as best I can, the mess they've made on the backend of FAA recently.
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I think, what you're recognizing are the constant ups and downs as always. Nothing unusual.
Do they constantly 'boost to the extreme' one particular contributor at a time like in the example in this thread (and presumably sink them later)?
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Well they definitely have done something June is busy turning in to the same disaster as May and April.
At the moment SS account for 43% of sales revenue where as before it was around 65%up to March this year.
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How can you say that after 2 days? You have 28 days to go.
If it matters anything, I made pay out today, so its not all doom and gloom. Give it time till the end of the month.
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Three weekdays. Which look like weekend days. Just like most of last month.
Not good.
Not the usual ups and downs.
And the site is buggy - makes you wonder what is up, if there is a connection.....
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How can you say that after 2 days? You have 28 days to go.
If it matters anything, I made pay out today, so its not all doom and gloom. Give it time till the end of the month.
Because I analyze the daily sales output and at the moment SS are running at 43%
Over previous months it proved very accurate at predicting the overall outcome over the entire month.
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SS is very low thoses days :(
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And I upload a lot of new files with no download yet. Usually new images had sales fast.
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And I upload a lot of new files with no download yet. Usually new images had sales fast.
Same happen to me :-\
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looks like holiday every day ! Even un wenesday !
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How can you say that after 2 days? You have 28 days to go.
If it matters anything, I made pay out today, so its not all doom and gloom. Give it time till the end of the month.
Good for you. Doesn't comfort the rest of us much tho.
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My work is nothing special. No one should do worse than me. Especially with big commercial ports. And I have a lot of editorial stuff.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2005 wrote:
I'm glad it isn't just me that this is happening to - I had my first 0 download day yesterday!! At the beginning of January I had a couple of reasonable days with 10 downloads per day but I am averaging about 2 downloads a day in January whereas in December I was averaging between 6 - 16 downloads a day! Fingers crossed that it picks up again.
Yeah, that's right. 2005! ;-) A whole thread about how the search changed and earnings are down. So let me say, after 10 years, nothing changed?
Someone dug up an old thread and nothing has changed except for the years
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As the good plan is to be ahead of the market, maybe these will be all over the autumn/winter bridal scene. 8)
Fer sure. ;) I'll keep my eyes open for those pics.
Hey, what did we know?
On Wednesday it was really cold and windy while we were walking, so we went into a little cafe for some soup. It had nine tables, plastic tablecloths and the menu we expected though the homemade soup was good and really welcome. But when I saw the back of the menu, I had to smile and haul out my phone:
(http://www.lizworld.com/Cabin_Cafe.jpg)
I didn't even know people had 'baby showers' in the UK! Never heard of it here; we just hand in a present when the baby arrives.
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tell them it's not spelled expresso but espresso :)
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tell them it's not spelled expresso but espresso :)
It's an acceptable variant here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/expresso (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/expresso)
But I guess it was the equivalent of the sort of American eaterie that spells lasagne 'lasagna'.
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"Expresso" — a pet peeve of mine, here in the U.S.
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But I guess it was the equivalent of the sort of American eaterie that spells lasagne 'lasagna'.
Yep, "lasagna" is one of my own personal pet peeves here in the US.
ETA: But we butcher a lot of the English language (and other languages too), so I foam at the mouth a lot. :(
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Funeral parties catered for :D what a jolly place
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But I guess it was the equivalent of the sort of American eaterie that spells lasagne 'lasagna'.
Yep, "lasagna" is one of my own personal pet peeves here in the US.
ETA: But we butcher a lot of the English language (and other languages too), so I foam at the mouth a lot. :(
Sad to say I grind my teeth at ERBS instead of Herbs with a H ;D
Not to mention o-re-gano ::)