Author Topic: down the toilet (Read 96328 times)

jonbull · « **Reply #250 on:** February 24, 2017, 15:17 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on February 24, 2017, 13:29

They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.

I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.

my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january.
today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #251 on:** February 25, 2017, 01:54 »

Quote from: jonbull on February 24, 2017, 15:17

Quote from: Shelma1 on February 24, 2017, 13:29
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.

I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.

my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january.
today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.

Not finished at all then.....your forecast for next year is out by a factor of about three things may be bad but not that bad...if you really believe that why haven't you stopped uploading.......

derek · « **Reply #252 on:** February 25, 2017, 03:45 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on February 25, 2017, 01:54

Quote from: jonbull on February 24, 2017, 15:17
Quote from: Shelma1 on February 24, 2017, 13:29
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.

I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.

my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january.
today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.
Not finished at all then.....your forecast for next year is out by a factor of about three things may be bad but not that bad...if you really believe that why haven't you stopped uploading.......

" stop uploading" youre right that would work but you have the Russians and all neighbouring countries where $.10 a day goes a long way and they are uploading in millions and millions. Soon they will be the only contributors left and thats probably enough for a few years.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #253 on:** February 25, 2017, 03:48 »

Yes its their business decision and yours is whether its worth while FOR YOU. If it isn't they why do it.....or perhaps its not so bad after all.

jonbull · « **Reply #254 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:23 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on February 25, 2017, 01:54

Quote from: jonbull on February 24, 2017, 15:17
Quote from: Shelma1 on February 24, 2017, 13:29
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.

I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.

my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january.
today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.
Not finished at all then.....your forecast for next year is out by a factor of about three things may be bad but not that bad...if you really believe that why haven't you stopped uploading.......

is not my primary income
I'm getting good money but uploading a lot and plan to upload all garbage i have in hard disk and work next three months with model to build up a solid portfolio
as primary income is struggle to see 5 6 k euro months earned right now...maybw when my portfolio will be bigger yes.
it helps keep working in those moment i not have assignment or working on project.
but it's definitely a falling industry for people who upload. and expect much much more contributors uploading for third world country soon.

jonbull · « **Reply #255 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:28 »

Quote from: derek on February 25, 2017, 03:45

Quote from: Pauws99 on February 25, 2017, 01:54
Quote from: jonbull on February 24, 2017, 15:17
Quote from: Shelma1 on February 24, 2017, 13:29
They rejiggered the search again...my best sellers have been pushed back from the top of page one to the middle of page two, and page one is stuff from newbies. Our fearless CEO is under pressure to get the stock price up to $80/share, and I suspect they're trying to show an increase in profits by paying out lower royalties.

I have to go back to 2014 to see a February this low.

my february is better than last year but i have my portfolio bigger 60 % with more micro stock oriented content...i'm near january earning with 5 days left...but i expected much much more...at least doubling january.
today appalling 9 download. this month mostly subs, zero enhanced.
Not finished at all then.....your forecast for next year is out by a factor of about three things may be bad but not that bad...if you really believe that why haven't you stopped uploading.......

" stop uploading" youre right that would work but you have the Russians and all neighbouring countries where $.10 a day goes a long way and they are uploading in millions and millions. Soon they will be the only contributors left and thats probably enough for a few years.

axaxxaxa don't talk me about this...i already wrote in spades about the advent of masses of contributor from eastern countries.
yesterday i was checking the world FOOd: 10 millions images...if you search for top view food most of the photos come from russia and ukraine...copy of copy...they copy each other...
the problem is you can't keep up with those guys if you not move there.
i spend most of year in one country of these for example.. right now salary for a shop assistant is near 150 dollar....only those working in IT or multinational company earn decent money...the rest from 100 to 500 , i mean the younger with no family business....you understand that even 3 400 dollar earned uploading zillions of same images of bread salad tomato or the nice girlfriend smiling in park can make a difference for them but for you and me 300 dollar means starving.
and wait when the african and south american waves will hit micro stock.

Steveball · « **Reply #256 on:** February 25, 2017, 07:31 »

75% down on last year//last Feb etc. I'm not a big seller but the drop was quick and hasn't recovered.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #257 on:** February 25, 2017, 14:20 »

Yes, people from lower income countries are doing well, but most buyers are from Western Europe, Australia, and North America.

I recently had a conversation with a person in charge of content for a major agency and they said that for many concepts, they lack regionally accurate images. The kind of stuff that cant be faked in other countries. So the agencies are starting to feel the results of having such over abundance of images from places that don't have the buyers. Maybe one day they'll figure out if they want images accurate for Western buyers, they need to pay royalties appropriate for Western contributors.

LDV81 · « **Reply #258 on:** February 25, 2017, 15:23 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on February 25, 2017, 14:20

Maybe one day they'll figure out if they want images accurate for Western buyers, they need to pay royalties appropriate for Western contributors.

Well, if they do decide to pay better royalties, it would attract even more people to become/remain active contributors. Our images would sink even faster and deeper than now. In the end, I doubt we would earn more. Maybe for a short time. We're damned if they do and damned if they don't increase the royalties. But they won't anyway.

The entrance barrier in this field is simply too low, and that is the problem.

outoftheblue · « **Reply #259 on:** February 25, 2017, 15:36 »

Quote from: LDV81 on February 25, 2017, 15:23

The entrance barrier in this field is simply too low, and that is the problem.

True, but the way out is easy to find too: most new contributors give up once they realise it's a lot of work for very little return, at least in the beginning.

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #260 on:** February 25, 2017, 15:45 »

Quote from: jonbull on February 25, 2017, 07:28

the problem is you can't keep up with those guys if you not move there.

lol, so true! i know a bloke who lives like that, and he says, life is cheaper with the money
from UK where he lives, and over in the "3rd world", he gets to live like he has money to burn
and.. quote: he gets the gals chasing after him, thinking he's a loaded dude from UK!".

go where the girls are lovely, .. and even get them to pose for you
... was it not yuri at the beginning he was from eastern europe too , no??..
he had the best looking eastern euro girils working for him???

Shelma1 · « **Reply #261 on:** February 25, 2017, 16:36 »

Yeah. I'm sure all the women on this site will be sure to move where the girls are lovely.

jonbull · « **Reply #262 on:** February 25, 2017, 16:58 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on February 25, 2017, 14:20

Yes, people from lower income countries are doing well, but most buyers are from western Euriope, Australia, and North America.

I recently had a conversation with a person in charge of content for a major agency and they said that for many concepts, they lack regionally accurate images. The kind of stuff that cant be faked in other countries. So the agencies are starting to feel the results of having such over abundance of images from places that don't have the buyers. Maybe one day they'll figure out if they want images accurate for Western buyers, they need to pay royalties appropriate for Western contributors.

i completely agree. that's great point. you see this especially with faces....while girl from soviet country are often amazing their feature are typical of their country far from western world, the men are even more different for western men

jonbull · « **Reply #263 on:** February 25, 2017, 17:02 »

Quote from: outoftheblue on February 25, 2017, 15:36

Quote from: LDV81 on February 25, 2017, 15:23
The entrance barrier in this field is simply too low, and that is the problem.

True, but the way out is easy to find too: most new contributors give up once they realise it's a lot of work for very little return, at least in the beginning.

this is not true.. look how many easter country contributor have more than 10 k images in less than a year or two....they have not great choices and in many country eve 500 600 dollar are more than normal job...so they can easily live with 700 800 dollar....not a luxury life but they can earn more than normal job...so for them is better wait and submit a lot because anyway working normally they will earn less than micro stock....and in addiction they earn in dollar that's a great plus, cause most of currency are weak against dollar right now.
i think we will seen the next year much much more contributors coming from serbia russia ukraine.

jonbull · « **Reply #264 on:** February 25, 2017, 17:05 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on February 25, 2017, 15:45

Quote from: jonbull on February 25, 2017, 07:28
the problem is you can't keep up with those guys if you not move there.

lol, so true! i know a bloke who lives like that, and he says, life is cheaper with the money
from UK where he lives, and over in the "3rd world", he gets to live like he has money to burn
and.. quote: he gets the gals chasing after him, thinking he's a loaded dude from UK!".

go where the girls are lovely, .. and even get them to pose for you
... was it not yuri at the beginning he was from eastern europe too , no??..
he had the best looking eastern euro girils working for him???

no yuri was from denmark...i remember...but well its like this..i hope i will not spreading this and see thousand of micro stocker this summer in moscow..axaxaa....

derek · « **Reply #265 on:** February 25, 2017, 17:25 »

Yet its quite amazing since I read somewhere that around 90% have less then 1000 files in the portfolio. So whos got them all?

dpimborough · « **Reply #266 on:** February 25, 2017, 17:36 »

Quote from: derek on February 25, 2017, 17:25

Yet its quite amazing since I read somewhere that around 90% have less then 1000 files in the portfolio. So whos got them all?

Africa Studio over 1million images

http://www.microstock.top/indeximg.phtml?sort=portfolio

jonbull · « **Reply #267 on:** February 25, 2017, 18:39 »

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on February 25, 2017, 17:36

Quote from: derek on February 25, 2017, 17:25
Yet its quite amazing since I read somewhere that around 90% have less then 1000 files in the portfolio. So whos got them all?

Africa Studio over 1million images

http://www.microstock.top/indeximg.phtml?sort=portfolio

ukraine russia and thailand account for more than 50 pages...near 40 % and probably much more than 50 millions file...with ukraine with a lot of people producing cheap content in thousand.
as i already told this is the biggest problem.

DrC · « **Reply #268 on:** February 25, 2017, 21:03 »

Sad day today...
It has been about to happen for months now but today, Saturday 25, I had the first 0 (zero) downloads day in over 10 years. The last zero day was on October 2006, 2 months after joining Shutterstock.
Don't need to reply... let me just be here in the corner, mourning the fact...

Photodune Reject · « **Reply #269 on:** February 25, 2017, 22:44 »

Quote from: etudiante_rapide on February 25, 2017, 15:45

Quote from: jonbull on February 25, 2017, 07:28
the problem is you can't keep up with those guys if you not move there.

lol, so true! i know a bloke who lives like that, and he says, life is cheaper with the money
from UK where he lives, and over in the "3rd world", he gets to live like he has money to burn
and.. quote: he gets the gals chasing after him, thinking he's a loaded dude from UK!".

go where the girls are lovely, .. and even get them to pose for you
... was it not yuri at the beginning he was from eastern europe too , no??..
he had the best looking eastern euro girils working for him???

You need to reduce the amount of alcohol in your drinks mate...

Photodune Reject · « **Reply #270 on:** February 25, 2017, 22:55 »

Quote from: PixelBytes on February 25, 2017, 14:20

Yes, people from lower income countries are doing well, but most buyers are from western Euriope, Australia, and North America.

Where is 'Euriope'?

PixelBytes · « **Reply #271 on:** February 26, 2017, 01:16 »

Quote from: Photodune Reject on February 25, 2017, 22:55

Quote from: PixelBytes on February 25, 2017, 14:20
Yes, people from lower income countries are doing well, but most buyers are from western Euriope, Australia, and North America.

Where is 'Euriope'?

In my tiny keyboard letters and big clumsy hands.

I corrected it, but it's not my first typo and not gonna be my last.

Mel The Photog · « **Reply #272 on:** February 26, 2017, 01:47 »

Hello,
longtime lurker here but I finally decided to post so I can share an idea. I actually emailed Shutterstock these ideas but I don't know if it will do any good. Here they are:

1. Prioritize placement for "serious" microstock photographers against "hobbyists" so that we can sustain income to run our businesses.

2. Prioritize files from local photographers to match with search queries from local regions. This way, images results may look more authentic, and keywords match the context of language in the region. (This may also keep the waves of images from Europe from dominating the American market)

what do you guys think?

derek · « **Reply #273 on:** February 26, 2017, 02:11 »

Quote from: jonbull on February 25, 2017, 18:39

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on February 25, 2017, 17:36
Quote from: derek on February 25, 2017, 17:25
Yet its quite amazing since I read somewhere that around 90% have less then 1000 files in the portfolio. So whos got them all?

Africa Studio over 1million images

http://www.microstock.top/indeximg.phtml?sort=portfolio

ukraine russia and thailand account for more than 50 pages...near 40 % and probably much more than 50 millions file...with ukraine with a lot of people producing cheap content in thousand.
as i already told this is the biggest problem.

True! and this has been going on for some time now. Its incredible really but in these countries it dont take many dollars a day to live the good life so SS will nurse them well and in return they will upload millions of files.
Very hard if not impossible for us to compete since our living and expenses are far higher.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #274 on:** February 26, 2017, 02:15 »

Quote from: Mel The Photog on February 26, 2017, 01:47

Hello,
longtime lurker here but I finally decided to post so I can share an idea. I actually emailed Shutterstock these ideas but I don't know if it will do any good. Here they are:

1. Prioritize placement for "serious" microstock photographers against "hobbyists" so that we can sustain income to run our businesses.

2. Prioritize files from local photographers to match with search queries from local regions. This way, images results may look more authentic, and keywords match the context of language in the region. (This may also keep the waves of images from Europe from dominating the American market)

what do you guys think?

I suspect 2 is already a thing.

The a solution is actually simpler I think. Stop accepting all the junk and delete content that hasn't sold for 4+ years. But instead they are overselling collection size to shareholders and trying to artificially inflate it by letting in on millions of repeated vector icons and almost duplicate photos.

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