Author Topic: Got a warning for calling Jon Oringer's photos "suck" (Read 25578 times)

cascoly · « **Reply #75 on:** July 03, 2021, 17:11 »

Quote from: duns123 on July 03, 2021, 12:50

But why should SS make even more money while paying contributors peanuts? That is wrong in any so-called democracy. It doesn't happen in any other industry apart from maybe music where artists get paid 003c per stream or something like that. ...

nonsense - it's a basic tenet of laissez-faire capitalism encouraging miserable wages & dangerous working conditions. compared to real problems the whingeing here is laughable

duns123 · « **Reply #76 on:** July 03, 2021, 18:10 »

Quote from: cascoly on July 03, 2021, 17:11

Quote from: duns123 on July 03, 2021, 12:50

But why should SS make even more money while paying contributors peanuts? That is wrong in any so-called democracy. It doesn't happen in any other industry apart from maybe music where artists get paid 003c per stream or something like that. ...

nonsense - it's a basic tenet of laissez-faire capitalism encouraging miserable wages & dangerous working conditions. compared to real problems the whingeing here is laughable

Oh we are using some big words, aren't we? Your statement doesn't even make sense.

farbled · « **Reply #77 on:** July 03, 2021, 18:21 »

What happened to make you like this? Pushing all these old useless threads over and over. I'm starting to think he personally hurt you somehow... This is beyond mere "the agency is screwing me" stuff.

Anyway, you've effectively shut down discussions, so well done.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #78 on:** July 03, 2021, 20:11 »

Quote from: duns123 on July 03, 2021, 13:16

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 03, 2021, 12:44
Quote from: duns123 on July 01, 2021, 05:51
It turns out that he started SS because he wanted to sell his own photos.

Yes, so? Why didn't you have that idea?
Or any idea, any invention, any innovation able to re-shape a whole industry and convince the world to pay you for it?

I'm sure you also wanted to sell your own photos, but somehow, something prevented you from having that idea!
What was it, I wonder?
Good god I wrote that post ages ago. You totally miss understand my post I only said that's how he started which is true. How he expanded from there is anyone's guess.

July 1st, 2021 is "ages ago", indeed!

Sadly, you are not just a luddite, but a nostalgic marxist, too 😖

duns123 · « **Reply #79 on:** July 04, 2021, 04:48 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 03, 2021, 20:11

Quote from: duns123 on July 03, 2021, 13:16
Quote from: Zero Talent on July 03, 2021, 12:44
Quote from: duns123 on July 01, 2021, 05:51
It turns out that he started SS because he wanted to sell his own photos.

Yes, so? Why didn't you have that idea?
Or any idea, any invention, any innovation able to re-shape a whole industry and convince the world to pay you for it?

I'm sure you also wanted to sell your own photos, but somehow, something prevented you from having that idea!
What was it, I wonder?
Good god I wrote that post ages ago. You totally miss understand my post I only said that's how he started which is true. How he expanded from there is anyone's guess.

July 1st, 2021 is "ages ago", indeed!
Sadly, you are not just a luddite, but a nostalgic marxist, too 😖

I miss read the post date.
Yes, thousands of ppl. in the 3rd world working for a pittance for SS I bet. I haven't mentioned politics on this forum at all so what you say is crap.
if your mate shutterview had actually said who he was (ie 10 yrs in microstock) instead of telling me to 'f off all the time, he'd still be on the forum as I've found out how to read other peoples posts. But don't waste your time replying to my posts because your attacking opinions don't matter to me. Why do you do it anyway? I've not spammed your posts so I'm blocking you.

cascoly · « **Reply #80 on:** July 04, 2021, 15:47 »

Quote from: dunstun365 on July 04, 2021, 04:48

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Yes, thousands of ppl. in the 3rd world working for a pittance for SS I bet. ...

There are more things in heaven and Earth, Dunstan, / Than are dreamt of in your obsession with SS

i was referring to among other cases to sweatshops to which major high end brands (US & EU) outsource their textiles, or agbusiness exploiting producers of cacao, coffee & sugar. etc

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I haven't mentioned politics on this forum at all so what you say is crap.

non-sequitor alert

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #81 on:** July 05, 2021, 07:19 »

Quote from: dunstun365 on July 03, 2021, 12:50

But why should SS make even more money while paying contributors peanuts?

Because people upload and take the pittance that is paid. If people didn't upload and refused to accept the low pay, the agencies would have to raise our pay, to have materials to sell. Unfortunately for all the philosophy and politics, if artists from around the world, are willing to make videos for 25c and upload images or illustrations for 10c payback... the problem is not stockholders or capitalism or business practices or Jon or the agencies.

Contributors are willing victims, who upload to the agencies of their own free will, and then complain afterwards that we are underpaid?

To paraphrase, because I don't have the exact quote: "If you don't like it, leave." Jon Oringer

Microstock is a commodity, not art or valuable creative work in most cases. A commodity's price is determined primarily by the forces of supply and demand. That's why agencies can and do pay us peanuts.

(was that a helpful answer for you?)

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #82 on:** July 05, 2021, 07:28 »

Quote from: dunstun365 on July 04, 2021, 04:48

I'm blocking you.

Awe you've gone and hurt his feelings. Why do people write "I've blocked you". Should we care and be notified? Is that some kind of personal reprimand from the top? My view is, just do it, don't threaten.

ps for the SS haters, who forget the history or the facts. Getty, who owns iStock, pays us a flat rate of 15% for photos, no levels, no hope of more, and the minimum is 2 cents. Why aren't people shouting about that, every day? I guess it's just too easy to pile on SS and Jon and keep beating on that, them with the encouragement of the angry mob.