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« on: August 05, 2008, 14:33 »
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CofkoCof

« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2008, 14:37 »
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At least one agency that didn't present an awful new strategy. Wait, let me read that again, there must be something evil lurking behind this news.

cphoto

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2008, 14:38 »
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Yes, but I wish our commission would be more than 30%.  Other than that great idea!

« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2008, 15:18 »
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Definitely a good thing in my opinion, good decision  ;)

« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 15:23 »
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Just a test, 25 large images OD are 179 = 289$
=> 12$ per image
we get between 15,66% and 23,75%

« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 15:24 »
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Hopefully they will get some new customers and not just those leaving the other sites.  SS had to do something after istock, DT, StockXpert and fotolia all introduced subscriptions.  This looks like a good way of exploiting some of the pay per download market.

As SS have been my No.1 site every month since I started, I hope this does very well.

« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 16:00 »
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Looks good.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the next few months.  It seems like lots of the sites are getting a game plan for the fall.

Dreamstime - new prices
Fotolia  - subscription
stockxpert - photos.com
shutterstock - SS on demand
123rf - their special photos area (i forget what it is called)....

I wonder who will gain the most market share.

« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 17:06 »
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It seems they've covered many potential issues in their statement. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out for everyone ...

-Mark

« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 17:19 »
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Yeah, this should be interesting, they've already updated their stats page.  I could see this being popular with smaller design firms, especially since you can run multiple subscription programs at once now.  That might mean buying an on demand subscription for a single project as a way to set a specific cost for their customer.

« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2008, 18:32 »
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This is the commission % we are getting from these new packages which can be seen here. As lilcrazyfuzzy showed, the commission we receive is even worse when buyers purchase in Euros.

I am going to assume that the average commission given out is the $500 - $3000 tier.

All Resolution
5 images for $49
+ 2.48 commission for photographers per image = $36.60 profit for SS = 25.3% commission for us.
25 images for $229
+ 2.48 commission for photographers per image = $167.00 profit for SS = 27.1% commission for us.

Lower Resolutions
12 images for $49
+ 1.07 commission for photographers per image = $36.16 profit for SS = 26.2% commission for us.
60 images for $229
+ 1.07 commission for photographers per image = $164.80 profit for SS = 28.0% commission for us.

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So 2nd lowest commission in the industry after Istock non-exclusive. Yay?

« Reply #10 on: August 05, 2008, 19:08 »
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Ummmm.... yawn.....? 

This has been suggested to them a number of times since they discontinued their sister site which had pay-per-dl, but only when they are developing negatively (surprise, surprise... that's what competition do to you if you aren't innovative enough), they are able to react.

The pay is more or less the same as with other pay-per-dl agencies, and guess where the customers will come from. Oh well, it's positive that they finally do it, and very nice to have something new that is not subs   :)

« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2008, 19:13 »
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They have a pretty attractive package for designers who need short term or project by project images at a reasonable price for the designers.  It pays out more money for the same license that they currently get via the standard subscription that you receive .36 for.  So you want even more than 25%, even though it is three times what you would normally get for the same license terms?

Yeah, SS takes a bigger cut on those, but they also have to pay for a whole new advertising campaign for it, pay the programmers who probably had to make some pretty severe code changes to allow multiple subscriptions on the same account, most likely add server hardware to manage a more complicated system, etc.   I suppose ideally they would pay the same percentages, but at the most basic level you are receiving more money for licensing the same photo under the same restrictions as you would have if they bought one of the original packages.  And possibly having more sales, as this should attract a tier of designers who didn't need 25 a day, but might have needed ten or fifteen for a specific project this week.

« Reply #12 on: August 05, 2008, 19:50 »
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Yeah, SS takes a bigger cut on those, but they also have to pay for a whole new advertising campaign for it, .....

The problem is that none of us are making any extra profit when a customer moves from one agency to another, since most of us are represented at all the major agencies anyway. So all the money spent on advertising will make a difference for each agency, but for us, it's just an unnecessary cost.

« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2008, 20:00 »
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Doesn't seem like a big deal.  More like a new pay per download program.  Credits good for a year like iStock - check.  $50 for 5 large images, like iStock - check.  Less than %20 - %30ish percent to contributor.

Not a bad plan, but nothing groundbreaking.

« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2008, 00:53 »
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Yeah, SS takes a bigger cut on those, but they also have to pay for a whole new advertising campaign for it, .....

The problem is that none of us are making any extra profit when a customer moves from one agency to another, since most of us are represented at all the major agencies anyway. So all the money spent on advertising will make a difference for each agency, but for us, it's just an unnecessary cost.

Well, it would be kind of silly for SS to take that into consideration :-) - but I am glad I didn't go to the trouble of downsizing everything to 4MP before uploading to them.  Could pay off a bit now.

c h e e r s
fred

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« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2008, 01:02 »
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Well, it would be kind of silly for SS to take that into consideration :-) - but I am glad I didn't go to the trouble of downsizing everything to 4MP before uploading to them.  Could pay off a bit now.

c h e e r s
fred

Why would that pay off??

All images in SS have a SMALL/MEDIUM/LARGE/SUPER format, regardless of the original size.

In my case I always downsize to 3 or 4MP, so my large version of the image is 3 or 4MP, and this will most likely result in having the buyer buying the large version, hence making me more money  ;D

« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2008, 02:30 »
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Well, it would be kind of silly for SS to take that into consideration :-) - but I am glad I didn't go to the trouble of downsizing everything to 4MP before uploading to them.  Could pay off a bit now.

c h e e r s
fred

Why would that pay off??

All images in SS have a SMALL/MEDIUM/LARGE/SUPER format, regardless of the original size.

In my case I always downsize to 3 or 4MP, so my large version of the image is 3 or 4MP, and this will most likely result in having the buyer buying the large version, hence making me more money  ;D

Cphoto is right.


« Reply #17 on: August 06, 2008, 03:40 »
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Well, it would be kind of silly for SS to take that into consideration :-) - but I am glad I didn't go to the trouble of downsizing everything to 4MP before uploading to them.  Could pay off a bit now.

c h e e r s
fred

Why would that pay off??

All images in SS have a SMALL/MEDIUM/LARGE/SUPER format, regardless of the original size.

In my case I always downsize to 3 or 4MP, so my large version of the image is 3 or 4MP, and this will most likely result in having the buyer buying the large version, hence making me more money  ;D

Or look elsewhere, for bigger photos, cheaper...

« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2008, 04:15 »
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Well, the image price for buyers isn't astonishing and I could bet that those already purchasing "our" images on other sites are not swapping agencies at all.

p.s.: Let's not forget there are other competitors out there with, imho, better site structure, better buyer experience browsing-wise and primarily lower prices.
p.p.s.: The good news is that we don't lose a nickle. SS subscribers will definitely not change plan (from sub to sod), which means this is mostly a marketing boost for SS.. They now offer the complete package (that is nevertheless less competitive in the "credit" department than what most other agencies offer).

« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2008, 04:37 »
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Why would that pay off??

All images in SS have a SMALL/MEDIUM/LARGE/SUPER format, regardless of the original size.

In my case I always downsize to 3 or 4MP, so my large version of the image is 3 or 4MP, and this will most likely result in having the buyer buying the large version, hence making me more money  ;D

Shutterstock's "Super" size is 3888 x 5184 (20MP). I have photo's on there that were taken at 1944 x 2592 (5MP) and less. I can't imagine how they'd come out.

« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2008, 05:27 »
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Just had my first on demand sale which earnt me $2.85 the uploaded file was 4mp (a 9mp file went elsewhere and SS are selling a uprezzed 16mp version). I only ever had one $5.99 sale at SS sister site.

Not a great % for us but I prefer getting $2.85 instead of 38c rather than 30c instead of $7.50 at another site that a few of us have been complaining about recently.

« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2008, 05:31 »
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Congrats!

Good to see that it's moving.
Hopefully I will get my first soon!

Just had my first on demand sale which earnt me $2.85 the uploaded file was 4mp (a 9mp file went elsewhere and SS are selling a uprezzed 16mp version). I only ever had one $5.99 sale at SS sister site.

Not a great % for us but I prefer getting $2.85 instead of 38c rather than 30c instead of $7.50 at another site that a few of us have been complaining about recently.

« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2008, 05:34 »
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I just had my first one for $2.85 as well.  SS need to find a way to bring some of our older images back to life now.  The heavy bias towards new images leaves a lot of older images that once sold well doing nothing.  I liked the Lucky Oliver sideshow and I am surprised the other sites haven't copied that idea.

« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2008, 05:39 »
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I agree Sharpshot.

Yes!, so heavily biased towards new images and the new ones are not necessarily the best!

Also, the constant demand of having to "feed" I think can be off putting for new contributors who could be very talented, but don't need the pressure of having to constantly shoot for SS.
Should be more balanced I feel.

I just had my first one for $2.85 as well.  SS need to find a way to bring some of our older images back to life now.  The heavy bias towards new images leaves a lot of older images that once sold well doing nothing.  I liked the Lucky Oliver sideshow and I am surprised the other sites haven't copied that idea.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2008, 05:43 by takestock »

« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2008, 05:41 »
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wow, that was quick.

Nice to see that it has been to work quickly. Now I just have to wait patiently to be able to report my first sale :(


 

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