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« on: July 31, 2014, 07:12 »
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Hi

I was wondering if anyone could help me with the following:

I recently took some photo's of an "airshow" these have been accepted as editorial shots at all the sites I submit to no problem.

Shutterstock have rejected them, asking for credentials. The "airshow" I took them at is a non ticketed free event that took place on (or rather over :) ) public property with no entry or exit restrictions. I was stood on a public footpath to take my pictures (The event is organised by the local council to bring visitors into the town).

Now i could understand if I was on private property or if it was a ticketed event, but this was neither. I have resubmitted with a note to the reviewer to this effect...was this the right thing to do? Still have time to delete them if needed...am I correct in my thinking...It is no different I suppose to saying I was stood on a public pavement (sidewalk for you USA folks! :) )and these planes flew past?
« Last Edit: July 31, 2014, 08:05 by TheDrift- »


« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2014, 09:40 »
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Hi Drift,
I can answer that for you as I had the exact same scenario a few months back -in my case for the free seafront annual airshow in Eastbourne (sadly in the news today for other reasons :'(). Your resubmits with the note to the reviewer will almost certainly get rejected again "credentials required"! When you have calmed down (lol) drop an email to support with details of the airshow and a link to the airshow website/facebook etc to show it is a free public event.
In my case, they checked out the airshow and agreed no credentials were needed -giving me a "credentials approved" reference number to add to my third resubmit. This is just letting the reviewer know that the event is OK
to approve. I have used the same reference for further images from the Eastbourne show -without problems.
Shutterstock couldn't have been more helpful and prompt in dealing with this and told me airshows would be looked at on a case by case basis in the future.
Going forward, just email the credentials team at SS before submitting images of any other airshows so they can check it out and issue a reference number for the reviewer.
Hope that helps. Regards, David.

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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 11:36 »
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Airshows

    Snowbirds (CAN), Blue Angels (US), Thunderbirds (US), The Red Arrows (UK)
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 11:37 »
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Hi Drift,
I can answer that for you as I had the exact same scenario a few months back -in my case for the free seafront annual airshow in Eastbourne (sadly in the news today for other reasons :'(). Your resubmits with the note to the reviewer will almost certainly get rejected again "credentials required"! When you have calmed down (lol) drop an email to support with details of the airshow and a link to the airshow website/facebook etc to show it is a free public event.
In my case, they checked out the airshow and agreed no credentials were needed -giving me a "credentials approved" reference number to add to my third resubmit. This is just letting the reviewer know that the event is OK
to approve. I have used the same reference for further images from the Eastbourne show -without problems.
Shutterstock couldn't have been more helpful and prompt in dealing with this and told me airshows would be looked at on a case by case basis in the future.
Going forward, just email the credentials team at SS before submitting images of any other airshows so they can check it out and issue a reference number for the reviewer.
Hope that helps. Regards, David.

which is all very helpful, David. but for editorials as events such as these, u know that it is timely,
& having to jump through such hoops, SS defeats the whole purpose of non-credential editorials.
effectively, they should have instructed or place an editorial-knowledgeable reviewer in such place,
as say with another top 4 agency where u also have a button to ask 4 a quick review since time is of the essence.

but why hold ur breath over SS inefficient review, where no doubt there is a clueless reviewer
doing a job that he/she has absolutely no place in doing?
aghast? yes, esp for a top ranking agency , SS should know better.

« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 12:27 »
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I'm surprised editorial is worth submitting to SS, with or without hoop-jumping.
Or is it they tend to attract POD?

« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014, 12:43 »
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I'm surprised editorial is worth submitting to SS, with or without hoop-jumping.
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« Last Edit: July 31, 2014, 12:45 by etudiante_rapide »

« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2014, 13:04 »
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I'm surprised editorial is worth submitting to SS, with or without hoop-jumping.
Or is it they tend to attract POD?

I always wonder how many "air show" and "parade" images actually sell.  It sure doesn't seem like it would be worth the time to dump the cards.

« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2014, 14:33 »
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Hi Drift,
I can answer that for you as I had the exact same scenario a few months back -in my case for the free seafront annual airshow in Eastbourne (sadly in the news today for other reasons :'(). Your resubmits with the note to the reviewer will almost certainly get rejected again "credentials required"! When you have calmed down (lol) drop an email to support with details of the airshow and a link to the airshow website/facebook etc to show it is a free public event.
In my case, they checked out the airshow and agreed no credentials were needed -giving me a "credentials approved" reference number to add to my third resubmit. This is just letting the reviewer know that the event is OK
to approve. I have used the same reference for further images from the Eastbourne show -without problems.
Shutterstock couldn't have been more helpful and prompt in dealing with this and told me airshows would be looked at on a case by case basis in the future.
Going forward, just email the credentials team at SS before submitting images of any other airshows so they can check it out and issue a reference number for the reviewer.
Hope that helps. Regards, David.

Many thanks for this, fired of an email and I'll see how I get on, your help is really appreciated, thank you   :)

I'm surprised editorial is worth submitting to SS, with or without hoop-jumping.
Or is it they tend to attract POD?

I always wonder how many "air show" and "parade" images actually sell.  It sure doesn't seem like it would be worth the time to dump the cards.

Given your talent maybe not worth your time, but probably worth mine I'm afraid, got 50 DL's from a handful of shots last year (that they accepted no probs!)

« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2014, 14:39 »
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I'm surprised editorial is worth submitting to SS, with or without hoop-jumping.
Or is it they tend to attract POD?

I always wonder how many "air show" and "parade" images actually sell.  It sure doesn't seem like it would be worth the time to dump the cards.
TheDrift said
Given your talent maybe not worth your time, but probably worth mine I'm afraid, got 50 DL's from a handful of shots last year (that they accepted no probs!)



not to rain on ur parade, 50 dls ... i get in a week, some isolated zero cost images, without having to go out to the airshow. and for Mr.Locke, i am sure he gets 50 dls a day.
SS is not giving you anything much, if it is 50 dl a year.
and i am sure Mr.Locke is not being vicious, nor am i. just that he is saying SS is not the place for such things, and u may be selling urself short, even if u think u lack the experience, which maybe not.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2014, 14:43 by etudiante_rapide »

« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2014, 14:59 »
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I'm surprised editorial is worth submitting to SS, with or without hoop-jumping.
Or is it they tend to attract POD?

I always wonder how many "air show" and "parade" images actually sell.  It sure doesn't seem like it would be worth the time to dump the cards.
TheDrift said
Given your talent maybe not worth your time, but probably worth mine I'm afraid, got 50 DL's from a handful of shots last year (that they accepted no probs!)



not to rain on ur parade, 50 dls ... i get in a week, some isolated zero cost images, without having to go out to the airshow. and for Mr.Locke, i am sure he gets 50 dls a day.
SS is not giving you anything much, if it is 50 dl a year.
and i am sure Mr.Locke is not being vicious, nor am i. just that he is saying SS is not the place for such things, and u may be selling urself short, even if u think u lack the experience, which maybe not.

Hi sorry I think you misunderstood...maybe I wasn't very clear...... just to clarify that is 50 DL's on the few airhow shots I took last year, so thats 50 DL on those 4/5 shots only.

From my overall port I am averaging higher than your weekly figures, ...now if i could just been sean's weekly figures  ;D

« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2014, 15:01 »
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I'm surprised editorial is worth submitting to SS, with or without hoop-jumping.
Or is it they tend to attract POD?

I always wonder how many "air show" and "parade" images actually sell.  It sure doesn't seem like it would be worth the time to dump the cards.
TheDrift said
Given your talent maybe not worth your time, but probably worth mine I'm afraid, got 50 DL's from a handful of shots last year (that they accepted no probs!)



not to rain on ur parade, 50 dls ... i get in a week, some isolated zero cost images, without having to go out to the airshow. and for Mr.Locke, i am sure he gets 50 dls a day.
SS is not giving you anything much, if it is 50 dl a year.
and i am sure Mr.Locke is not being vicious, nor am i. just that he is saying SS is not the place for such things, and u may be selling urself short, even if u think u lack the experience, which maybe not.

Hi sorry I think you misunderstood...maybe I wasn't very clear...... just to clarify that is 50 DL's on the few airhow shots I took last year, so thats 50 DL on those 4/5 shots only.

From my overall port I am averaging higher than your weekly figures, ...now if i could just beat sean's weekly figures  ;D

Apols for the double post...dangers of trying to multitask!
« Last Edit: July 31, 2014, 15:04 by TheDrift- »

« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2014, 15:15 »
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Hi sorry I think you misunderstood...maybe I wasn't very clear...... just to clarify that is 50 DL's on the few airhow shots I took last year, so thats 50 DL on those 4/5 shots only.

From my overall port I am averaging higher than your weekly figures, ...now if i could just been sean's weekly figures  ;D

i suppose so, 100-400 dl per annum per image of 5 zero cost  isolated images for me. so , u r perharps right, i am doing far less better than you.  i won't speak 4 Mr. Locke, but i am sure his per image dl per annum far exceeds my 100-400dl.
all without having to jump hoops with clueless editorial reviewers.


my point isn't to put you down on anything. my point is that going through all that trouble for an event, is not worth the jumping of hoops impounded on you by SS.
you make a lot more with that jumping through hoops locally as an Event Photographer.

SS makes good money for me, shooting zero cost stuff. but i would never go through all that with air-shows, tennis , rock concerts,etc  not worth it. 50 dls per 4-5 images PER ANNUM , i would not even dare brag about it. even for zero cost production.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2014, 15:37 by etudiante_rapide »

« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2014, 15:39 »
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Hi sorry I think you misunderstood...maybe I wasn't very clear...... just to clarify that is 50 DL's on the few airhow shots I took last year, so thats 50 DL on those 4/5 shots only.

From my overall port I am averaging higher than your weekly figures, ...now if i could just been sean's weekly figures  ;D

i suppose so, 100-400 dl per annum per image of 5 zero cost  isolated images for me. so , u r perharps right, i am doing far less better than you.  i won't speak 4 Mr. Locke, but i am sure his per image dl per annum far exceeds my 100-400dl.
all without having to jump hoops with clueless editorial reviewers.


....It's almost as if I have wandered into room 12a by mistake ...(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkzjBfTDH20)


« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2014, 15:54 »
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....It's almost as if I have wandered into room 12a by mistake ...(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkzjBfTDH20)

yes, u took the wrong detour n fell off a cliff 8)


 

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