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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #50 on: February 01, 2022, 16:20 »
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Anyway it's easy to shoot "sliced tomato". You could borrow title and key words from Mr Pork Knuckle and upload one photo every other week hoping to strike gold.
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These are things that anyone serious should actually avoid and not waste their time, but people keep shooting and shooting and wonder why their RPI isn't so good?
Isn't it the newest SS plan about? I mean resetting the level every new year and asking people for a new photos of "sliced tomato"

I think maybe? If the idea is, More Photos = More Money, then let those people beat their fingers, burn out their lights and cameras, and waste time shooting more "Sliced Tomatoes"

If someone is smarter, they will shoot something that actually has a chance, or at the least, not shoot things that there are hundreds of thousands already with little new demand and little existing demand.

Sliced Tomato is just a example of things that are senseless to bother shooting and uploading. But for some reason, they keep getting made, uploaded and accepted.







« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2022, 18:01 »
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248,690 sliced tomatoes isolated stock photos. Today. 2/1/2022

« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2022, 19:51 »
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248,690 sliced tomatoes isolated stock photos. Today. 2/1/2022
but mine will blow all the others away!

« Reply #53 on: February 01, 2022, 20:58 »
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« Reply #54 on: February 02, 2022, 02:05 »
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Yesterday I uploaded two photos of "raw pork knuckle" with a completely different backgrounds. One approved and another rejected for "Similar Content". The background is completely deferent, anyway they caught as similar. Keywords for backgrounds are different.

While Shutterstock's rejections for similar content are often not justified and don't follow their own rules, their Similar Content FAQ says  that the same content with just different background is too similar and will not be accepted.

https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Why-was-my-content-rejected-for-Similar-Content?language=en_US
« Last Edit: February 02, 2022, 02:28 by Firn »

« Reply #55 on: February 02, 2022, 12:15 »
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248,690 sliced tomatoes isolated stock photos. Today. 2/1/2022
248,751 sliced tomatoes isolated stock photos. Today. 2/2/2022

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #56 on: February 02, 2022, 13:46 »
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248,690 sliced tomatoes isolated stock photos. Today. 2/1/2022

That's just the isolated!

but mine will blow all the others away!

Yes like the best ever perfect cheeseburger? I remember that quest from probably 2009.

268,149 cheeseburger

But still one word searches aren't realistic for what any intelligent buyer would actually enter. Someone reasonably smart would use at least three words to narrow down what they wanted.

67,723 cheeseburger and fries with lettuce and tomato - which is still 67,000 results for the same thing, and makes it not worth shooting.
Cooking a little better - 2,383 double bacon cheeseburger (everyone loves bacon and it's a hot item now?)
1,491 double bacon cheeseburger with fries - but over half the images have NO FRIES!

To add something that's actually of use to this, the words "and" or "with" make no difference in the search results.

Have fun finding good subjects that someone might actually want and then making something with a 3 or 4 word description and keywords that make yours stand out.

Not that it means this one will every make me rich or get many sales:

1 purple basil eggplant and tofu with sauce



« Reply #57 on: February 02, 2022, 13:56 »
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Keywords are killing everything. Could you guess what's on photo below based on description and keywords?

"Korea buffet dessert food table"

"breads, buffet, bulgogi, cake, chinese new year, cookies, culinary, dessert, dim sum, food, fried, fruit, galbijjim, grape, ice cream, japanese, jokbal, kiwi, korea buffet, korea pancake, korean, korean traditional food, orange, pineapple, rib, salad, stewardess, tiramisu cake, tofu, tofu sandwich, tomato sauce bottle, trotter, vanilla, vegetable, yogurt"

Hint: only two keywords are related to the photo  :)

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/korea-buffet-dessert-food-table-1892796508

« Reply #58 on: February 02, 2022, 14:10 »
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purple basil eggplant and tofu with sauce

Popularity: score High, Usage score: High usage!  Someone is getting rich!

« Reply #59 on: February 03, 2022, 10:49 »
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« Last Edit: February 04, 2022, 02:00 by Findura »

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #60 on: February 03, 2022, 12:24 »
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purple basil eggplant and tofu with sauce

Popularity: score High, Usage score: High usage!  Someone is getting rich!

Don't believe anything the image ranks show. We can see that when people have better images, that make more, and show, No Sales. Here are the real numbers on SS for my Tofu with purple eggplant topped with basil and garlic sauce.  14    $5.97    3/12/11  Yes that's it, since 2011 $5.97 which is less than the order of food would cost at the Indonesian restaurant.

It probably ranks high because, it's the only one? Or maybe because people who searched for some of the words, later bought the image. I suspect (no proof, just a WAG) that when an image gets a DL for words, matching the search words, the rank goes up. It makes sense. Words + DL = rank improves.

Keywords are killing everything. Could you guess what's on photo below based on description and keywords?

"Korea buffet dessert food table"

"breads, buffet, bulgogi, cake, chinese new year, cookies, culinary, dessert, dim sum, food, fried, fruit, galbijjim, grape, ice cream, japanese, jokbal, kiwi, korea buffet, korea pancake, korean, korean traditional food, orange, pineapple, rib, salad, stewardess, tiramisu cake, tofu, tofu sandwich, tomato sauce bottle, trotter, vanilla, vegetable, yogurt"

Hint: only two keywords are related to the photo  :)

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/korea-buffet-dessert-food-table-1892796508

There are some funny ones in there like tiramisu cake along with the many that are nothing in the photo. But funny thing, they left out colander? Sometimes, and I know I've done it, when tagging a group of photos, one can get the words from something else, and it's all terribly wrong. Without looking the same person should have a real photo or a number of them of the Korea Buffet Dessert Table?

Now if it's totally wrong and spam? Yeah that happens too.
« Last Edit: February 03, 2022, 12:29 by Uncle Pete »

« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2022, 14:08 »
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1 purple basil eggplant and tofu with sauce


eggplant with yuxiang sauce?  one of my alltime favorites! I make it with lamb or pork.  (we had a neighbor named yuxiang)

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2022, 09:45 »
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1 purple basil eggplant and tofu with sauce


eggplant with yuxiang sauce?  one of my alltime favorites! I make it with lamb or pork.  (we had a neighbor named yuxiang)

I don't have a clue, I just eat things, and often it was "Here eat this..." What is it? "You'll like it!" Tofu and tripe, hot chicken knuckles, the things that the cooks and kitchen help had, that was left over from making the food for the paying customers. Menu only says Vegetarian Tofu in Garlic sauce. Indonesian restaurant that is now sold.

I still wonder how you get rejected for similar after years and someone else, obviously dribbles his uploads in, same angles, same cut of meat or basic elements and his get passed?



The old, old, early years, (poor image) chicken Marsala is mine. SS image recognition sees all those others as similar. It's just not very smart.

How did the 7 + 4 around mine get passed? Looks like the garnish moved.  ::)

« Reply #63 on: February 08, 2022, 08:05 »
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Well, my 10 cents from the video side of things...

As someone who worked with editors for many years now, there is a lot of sense behind the "series" concept.
Many times the right movement, the tiny expression on the model face, the right angle  - that will make one clip good and the other  - not as good.
I try to give at least 2-3 good variations on every clip, which brings my batches to an average of 20-40 clips.
This makes them fall right into the "similar content" trap.
My workaround  - 2-3 submissions at least a few days apart (which probably pass through different reviewers)
This usually ends up with 80-90% of the clips accepted.

« Reply #64 on: February 08, 2022, 14:17 »
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Well, my 10 cents from the video side of things...
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I try to give at least 2-3 good variations on every clip, which brings my batches to an average of 20-40 clips.
This makes them fall right into the "similar content" trap.
My workaround  - 2-3 submissions at least a few days apart (which probably pass through different reviewers)
This usually ends up with 80-90% of the clips accepted.

unfortunately, that won't work with images -- the AI(?) checks against your entire portfolio before a reviewer sees it.

« Reply #65 on: February 08, 2022, 20:00 »
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Back when I cared about uploading to SS and SS cared about paying me I had a folder of SS rejects that I didn't agree with. Every submission I would include a few from that folder that it had been a while (at least a month) and they almost always were accepted. That was probably before the AI that would reject a speaker and floppy disk because they looked like a wallet...

If you could get on page one of the 1 word popular searches it would be worthy. But fighting the sliced tomato fight now is probably not worth it (and yes, I had isolated sliced tomatoes in my port, and they did sell).

Keyword spam is another issue entirely, I am amazed none of the sites have even made half-hearted attempts to fix it. For eg- look at the top page of the top 1000 search terms and drop the hammer on any obvious spammed pics.

« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2022, 15:38 »
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funniest one i've seen in awhile -- none of the similars are remotely related to a prehistoric site (except for the triscuit found in Tut's tomb)

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/hunting-scenes-neolithic-paintings-catalhoyuk-6500-508200409

and pizza?  tree bark would be more similar


« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2022, 17:03 »
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STOP the Whining! Improve your food photos https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/instagrammable-food-photo-tips

OM

« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2022, 20:20 »
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STOP the Whining! Improve your food photos https://www.shutterstock.com/blog/instagrammable-food-photo-tips

Trouble with some parts of that article are.............."4. Shoot in Natural Light

Lighting can make or break a food photoor any photo for that matterand its not something that can be fixed in Photoshop. Artificial light can make your food look unappealing and unappetizing, so its typically best to avoid it when possible. That includes using a flash. "

Clearly, the author has never taken the trouble to learn how to use 'flash'/'strobe'. I think I can count on the fingers of one hand how many good-selling food shots I've taken using natural light! My food photography clients don't have windows facing the right direction...so I use artificial light and that's usually strobe! SS often has articles giving junk advice.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2022, 16:01 »
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funniest one i've seen in awhile -- none of the similars are remotely related to a prehistoric site (except for the triscuit found in Tut's tomb)

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/hunting-scenes-neolithic-paintings-catalhoyuk-6500-508200409

and pizza?  tree bark would be more similar

That is a good example of how the recognition is flawed and what it looks at is shapes and colors, not keywords.

I had to click to see what that horrid red thing with worms crawling on it actually was. Rye Bread. Oh that's just nasty.

It's till odd that you get rejections for similar and it seems like others can wait and upload and they go through. Maybe your account is flagged and held to higher standards?

Remember this set? But they are all different users.



« Reply #70 on: February 11, 2022, 12:31 »
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Remember this set? But they are all different users.
I'm sure I have a photo like this. Let me upload it.


 

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