I can't see that it's worth wasting any energy worrying about that bloke who will sink or swim according to the market. And I've seen much worse.

Though I don't care a fig about SS, I do find it worrying that 'owenr¹ osemarie' is still rapidly uploading stolen images with false captions.

A recent example:
"Tokyo/JAPAN- 06/25/2019 Tokyo 2020, Olympic site construction in process"
https://www.shutterstock.com/es/image-photo/tokyojapan-06252019-tokyo-2020-olympic-site-1458093296?src=44wCe6aCMzHL4z_jRXBESg-1-80

Seems to be lifted from Getty:
"MONTREAL, QC - NOVEMBER 18: An aerial view of Olympic Stadium and the Biodome and Saputo Stadium and Olympic Park and Olympic Village are seen from above on November 18, 2012 in Montreal, Quebec. (Photo by Tom Szczerbowski/Getty Images)"
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/an-aerial-view-of-olympic-stadium-and-the-biodome-and-news-photo/156799098

I've reported it to Getty, but as I'm not the original author, it'll be informative to see if they'll take any action. Except that we'll never know.

¹ Do you think owenr is a coded indication that he's not the owner?
(More likely it's a typo for Rosemarie Owen)

Ditto to all that. Thief is still there one more day to win the bet. I don't know why jonbull has a hard on for attacking Joe?

Alamy were notified by someone from MSG last week of some of the images too.

Utterly stunned this is still active.  It really isnt a good PR look for SS.

https://forums.submit.shutterstock.com/topic/75295-doom-gloom-2/?do=findComment&comment=1778707

the more i read what he tells the more idiot i consider this guy.
he calls somebody with very good portfolio as somebody who doesn't have a clue while he consider himself expert...he @ dare @ to say that another takes better photograph...of course he takes!! even my cat takes better photograph!!
this is where we are aiming at and ss is aiming at if it doesn't stop this bs....only mediocre amateur will be interested in producing content for them

A pussycat is demonstrating his skill on how to roar... in front of a tiger. LoLz

Quote from: ShadySue on July 31, 2019, 06:07

I can't see that it's worth wasting any energy worrying about that bloke who will sink or swim according to the market. And I've seen much worse.

Though I don't care a fig about SS, I do find it worrying that 'owenr¹ osemarie' is still rapidly uploading stolen images with false captions.

A recent example:
"Tokyo/JAPAN- 06/25/2019 Tokyo 2020, Olympic site construction in process"
https://www.shutterstock.com/es/image-photo/tokyojapan-06252019-tokyo-2020-olympic-site-1458093296?src=44wCe6aCMzHL4z_jRXBESg-1-80

Seems to be lifted from Getty:
"MONTREAL, QC - NOVEMBER 18: An aerial view of Olympic Stadium and the Biodome and Saputo Stadium and Olympic Park and Olympic Village are seen from above on November 18, 2012 in Montreal, Quebec. (Photo by Tom Szczerbowski/Getty Images)"
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/an-aerial-view-of-olympic-stadium-and-the-biodome-and-news-photo/156799098

I've reported it to Getty, but as I'm not the original author, it'll be informative to see if they'll take any action. Except that we'll never know.

¹ Do you think owenr is a coded indication that he's not the owner?
(More likely it's a typo for Rosemarie Owen)

Makes you wonder why jonbull is so concerned with what somebody new uploads.
Owenr looks like Owen, R the thief hasn't been shut down yet. I wonder if Getty will write to SS and get some action. Getty is known for suing.

im not concerned at all...i'm amazed how sad has become this industry..t

It seems that Grossinger has reached the $500 mark on SS. It took over 7000 photos and some videos to get there. Not an outstanding ratio between upload numbers and sales but it goes to show that he has persistance.

Seems to be he set out to prove one thing and his results show the opposite.

Quote from: dragonblade on October 11, 2019, 22:41

It seems that Grossinger has reached the $500 mark on SS. It took over 7000 photos and some videos to get there. Not an outstanding ratio between upload numbers and sales but it goes to show that he has persistance.

Seems to be he set out to prove one thing and his results show the opposite.

Reminds me of the entertaining Netflix flat earth documentary where they set out with some fairly advanced experiments to prove the earth was flat.
When every single experiment instead started showing the exact opposite, they kept their original hypothesis and started questioning the measurements and instruments used to obtain them instead...

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Quote from: Pauws99 on October 12, 2019, 02:18

Quote from: dragonblade on October 11, 2019, 22:41

It seems that Grossinger has reached the $500 mark on SS. It took over 7000 photos and some videos to get there. Not an outstanding ratio between upload numbers and sales but it goes to show that he has persistance.

Seems to be he set out to prove one thing and his results show the opposite.

Reminds me of the entertaining Netflix flat earth documentary where they set out with some fairly advanced experiments to prove the earth was flat.
When every single experiment instead started showing the exact opposite, they kept their original hypothesis and started questioning the measurements and instruments used to obtain them instead...

Thats by no means uncommon even in quite respected scientific circles. Scientists are human too and become psychologically attached to their theories just like anyone else.

Mostly wrong people and pseudo-science types, psychics, communication with the dead, ghost hunters, Bermuda Triangle, Aliens visit in UFOs, crop circles are secret messages, animal mutation, Gods from outer space and aliens built the pyramids Etc. I wonder if they sit home laughing at all the people who think the shows and books are actually serious and not just a way to make money from mythology.

Real science sets out to prove a theory and if the evidence shows the opposite, that's actually a good thing, because it proved the opposite. The goal of true science isn't to stick with an imperfect theory or hypothesis, but to benefit from the study, research and evidence to better understand what was being studied. What I mean is, proving a theory is wrong, is not a failure, if there's a valid scientific study behind the results.

Flat Earthers are already disillusion, small wonder they can't accept the facts of their own tests. 

Santa Claus is real, I've seen him... 

Quote from: Uncle Pete on October 31, 2019, 10:21

Quote from: Pauws99 on October 31, 2019, 08:01

Quote from: gnirtS on October 31, 2019, 06:56

Quote from: Pauws99 on October 12, 2019, 02:18

Quote from: dragonblade on October 11, 2019, 22:41

It seems that Grossinger has reached the $500 mark on SS. It took over 7000 photos and some videos to get there. Not an outstanding ratio between upload numbers and sales but it goes to show that he has persistance.

Seems to be he set out to prove one thing and his results show the opposite.

Reminds me of the entertaining Netflix flat earth documentary where they set out with some fairly advanced experiments to prove the earth was flat.
When every single experiment instead started showing the exact opposite, they kept their original hypothesis and started questioning the measurements and instruments used to obtain them instead...

Thats by no means uncommon even in quite respected scientific circles. Scientists are human too and become psychologically attached to their theories just like anyone else.

Mostly wrong people and pseudo-science types, psychics, communication with the dead, ghost hunters, Bermuda Triangle, Aliens visit in UFOs, crop circles are secret messages, animal mutation, Gods from outer space and aliens built the pyramids Etc. I wonder if they sit home laughing at all the people who think the shows and books are actually serious and not just a way to make money from mythology.

Real science sets out to prove a theory and if the evidence shows the opposite, that's actually a good thing, because it proved the opposite. The goal of true science isn't to stick with an imperfect theory or hypothesis, but to benefit from the study, research and evidence to better understand what was being studied. What I mean is, proving a theory is wrong, is not a failure, if there's a valid scientific study behind the results.

Flat Earthers are already disillusion, small wonder they can't accept the facts of their own tests. 

Santa Claus is real, I've seen him... 

Yes of course but real science is practicsed by humans so is not infallible. It is also funded by humans which can also affect its "purity"...it usually gets there in the end though.

Oh of course also true. Peer review is supposed to be  cross checking, and published papers are supposed to be reviewed. Yet pseudo-science just publishes and the general public buys it without blind studies, or repeating. Take the anti-vaccination crowd. 

And you are also correct that some funding, is designed to support studies that will support their agenda. If you are contrary, you won't get funded = no study, silenced. There's much more politics involved than "true" science and pecking order, and back stabbing.

If I make a discovery, lets say historic archaeology, Native American. There's no way anyone will read anything or even make a note of what I found. But if I give the data to Dr. Someone, and he reviews it, puts his name on it, then it's news. Like the location of a lost site, with maps, evidence and overlays... fortunately it does get out in a small way, but you'll never see my name on anything, anywhere. No credentials = no credibility.

1. Ask a Question
2. Do Background Research
3. Construct a Hypothesis
4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
6. Communicate Your Results

Unlike social pseudo-science which is
1. Draw a conclusion
2. Ask questions that lead to manipulated conclusions
3. Test by only using tests that support your conclusion
5. Only use the data that supports your pre-existing conclusions
6. Call it science 

Take the anti-vaccination crowd. 

You take 'em. Please.

Santa should be in jail for labour issues.

yes many of us have seen Santa. But. Have you seen any elves taking vacations or bonus? XD

LOL

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Real science sets out to prove a theory and if the evidence shows the opposite, that's actually a good thing, because it proved the opposite. The goal of true science isn't to stick with an imperfect theory or hypothesis, but to benefit from the study, research and evidence to better understand what was being studied. What I mean is, proving a theory is wrong, is not a failure, if there's a valid scientific study behind the results. ...

agree totally w your list of quackery to which i'd add homeopathy, neuropaths, acupuncture, chiropractic and other medical shams


a quibble, but an important one -- in science you don't seek to prove your theory - you test the null-hypothesis -- ie, if your theory is A, then you experiment to show whether not-A is likely.  (a recent Sci-Am had an excellent article on this use of statistics)

The misstated part is my fault trying to write. But you do need a hypothesis to test and find the results, one way or another. Not to prove a preconceived conclusion.

Pseudo-science and bad science go hand in hand. They work the same way, ignore the facts and only use what supports your theory or agenda.

Santa should be in jail for labour issues.

yes many of us have seen Santa. But. Have you seen any elves taking vacations or bonus? XD

You see elves, maybe Leprechauns too, or the Indian Makiaweesug, and other little people who live in the forest?  I mean, of course we don't see them.  Well except Gnomes which are all over, pretending to be statues on peoples lawns.

My theory is the Elves work for the world, because they like making gifts for people, and room and board...  Once again, maybe they dress as Gnomes when on vacation, seems like they are all over travel sites?

I have a flock of Packer-Mingos, they seem to live under the long needle evergreens on the front lawn. Honest, these are real, they come to feed here every Fall and stay until January.



Photographic proof.