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« on: September 25, 2008, 14:18 »
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It seems that September might be much slower than previous months despite that I actually uploaded more pictures than in August. So what is more important size or frequency of uploads?


« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2008, 14:26 »
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Quality - so less qusetions, more shooting of quality photographs  :P

« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2008, 14:40 »
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Agreed!
As competition grows for all of us each day with more and more photographers getting into Microstock, we must strive to produce quality.
Numbers are not a lot of good unless they are of really saleable images.

Quality - so less qusetions, more shooting of quality photographs  :P

« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2008, 14:42 »
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Yes I observed the same thing this month, I cannot beat my BME back in June :(

« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2008, 15:00 »
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I am not sure what's more important quality (if it passes quality control from SS it must be good enough) or originality (I saw sometimes that pictures even worse but sell better if they are unique).
« Last Edit: September 25, 2008, 15:02 by melastmohican »

« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2008, 15:02 »
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Yes I observed the same thing this month, I cannot beat my BME back in June :(

For me it was going up every month till August then stopped at the beginning  of September.

« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2008, 15:05 »
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i hit a bme about 8 days ago, so i can't complain.  find a niche, and do it well

« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2008, 15:08 »
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BME (among 23) already done for me this month at SS :D
Neither complaining increases sales, nor the time spent on forums...  ;)
And time is definitely not for mass uploading.

« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2008, 15:24 »
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quality is more important.


I already have over 4000 images online, so I have stady sales. Some 20 days ago I added about 200 new (mid-quality) images, my sales increased by 80% in the next day, and then day after dropped to regular sales. 10 days ago, I added 40 new (hi quality) images, and had about 150% higher sales in next 5 days, and then dropped to standard level...

« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2008, 15:32 »
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Are your images served with ketchup ?

« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2008, 15:58 »
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quality is more important.


I already have over 4000 images online, so I have stady sales. Some 20 days ago I added about 200 new (mid-quality) images, my sales increased by 80% in the next day, and then day after dropped to regular sales. 10 days ago, I added 40 new (hi quality) images, and had about 150% higher sales in next 5 days, and then dropped to standard level...

Peter,

Do you notice that ALL your images spike in sales during that period not only the new ones?

« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2008, 16:43 »
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I don't know about Peter's portfolio, but what Peter may think is 'hi quality' may not actually be the case.  That said, I'm sure its a wonderful portfolio especially to get 4000 images online

« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2008, 16:58 »
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Discussion about quality is like discussion about size. In theory for most buyers minimum acceptable size should be enough so why bother uploading more. Same with quality if it passes site verification it means it's good enough. According to Peter 2x better quality give you 10x better sales :-)

« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2008, 17:22 »
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4000 * 0.25 (RPI) = $ 1000 nice ;D

« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2008, 18:55 »
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Something is strange there for me , I upload about 50 - 70 images weakly for years now. Few best ones in that weekly batch of  50 get over 20 or 30 downloads daily in few first days online ( lets say that the best one gets 30 downloads first day , 20 second day , than 10 , and than it stays at 5-6 downloads till the end of the week). Maybe 5 or so images of those 50 don't get a single download in a day in those first days.  Those numbers have been about the same level for more than 2 years.

Last week was bad , those numbers went down for good , so I thought this week will get me back but..

This week for the first time not a single image from this weeks batch went over 3 or 4 downloads in a day , most of them have not been downloaded a single time and that cannot be coincidence , matter of quality  , economical crisis... etc, cause those things don't change in a week.

Truth is that I haven't upload nothing for some time , but I did the same quite a few times till now and the first batch after some time without uploads always pushed me up to exact same numbers I wrote above, and last 2 batches didnt even come close to that.

Not to speak about the fact that new images also pull up sales of older ones. 

Well I will see what time will bring in few weeks but Im not too optimistic.       

« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2008, 23:57 »
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I don't know about Peter's portfolio, but what Peter may think is 'hi quality' may not actually be the case.  That said, I'm sure its a wonderful portfolio especially to get 4000 images online

by quality I mean "stock quality" (theme), not technical quality (all my images are OK technical quality :D), for example image of pumpkin is something I would call "mid-quality", and some office theme with business people would be hi-quality stock material.

:)

@zeus: when I upload new images, yes, some older ones get few sales, but not the oldest ones.

« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2008, 01:05 »
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It is hard to make new BME's with SS compared to some of the other sites.  They are still my highest earning site, so I settle for that.  It doesn't help that when they put their prices up we get a comparatively low raise.

They should do more to keep our older images selling.  I would like us to be able to place a few images on the front page of the search, like some of the other sites let us do.

High quality images that sell is definitely the way to go.  When people mention their earnings, I have seen some with a fraction of my uploads earning more than me.  Perhaps one day I will delete 70% of my portfolio to test the theory.


« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2008, 01:15 »
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They should do more to keep our older images selling.  I would like us to be able to place a few images on the front page of the search, like some of the other sites let us do.

I very much agree with this. For me it is impossible to maintain steady sales at Shutterstock because I simply do not have time or the ability (college) to submit regularly like I did before. So my sales continue to decrease on SS, and for the most part stay the same on other sites. I wish they would allow you to select 10% of your portfolio for advanced search placement or something like what 123RF does. My faved images on 123RF outsell all my other images combined, granted my faved images are also my top quality images.

« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2008, 03:04 »
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SS is in a way that beckons us as almost slaves to constantly upload work.

However, as we all have seen , there seems to have been some shift in new uploads producing a sales surge.

Personally, I dont pressureize myself - "What I can, When I can" and just let the sales take their own course.

« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2008, 04:23 »
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The mandatory to keep the beast growing is more and more quality photos and beautiful models and more concepts and new ideas. Competition becoming very very serious. But behind this, SS sale structure demanding for constant uploads if you want to keep your earnings on same level. Other agencies are less dependable on number of uploads per month.

vgajic

helix7

« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2008, 09:30 »
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Quality is a double edged sword at SS. While the standards are lower, and it is easier to get higher quantities of images accepted than at say istock, long-term I worry that dropping quality standards in favor of quantity will only hurt the artist. We're already seeing the beginnings of this, with some people at SS boasting over 5,000 images of what they believe to be high-quality, yet they can't break $1,000 a month. As more and more people enter the microstock market, those artists are going to get pushed further and further back in favor of higher quality images. 5,000 mediocre images at SS might cover your car payment this month, but that won't last long.

I wonder if the SS standard is so low that it even risks the company's future existence. Will buyers get fed up with digging through piles of crap to find good images, when they can go to sites with higher quality standards and a higher percentage of top-quality images? I believe they will.

« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2008, 09:44 »
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Personally I haven't found that sales fall if I don't constantly upload. I've gone for months with just a few (2-4) new images per month uploaded and seen a consistent growth in sales there.

Like most here I've noticed a quick spike in new image sales within hours or days of uploading, but the main sales trend has been up regardless of new work.

The most frustrating thing about SS is the lack of good tools to track my images. It is impossible to see my portfolio there with meaningful numbers by each image. Why they can't give us tools similar to IS's "downloads per month" by image is beyond me. I've emailed support with their meaningless answers referring to their "Stats" button with its nearly worthless information.

« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2008, 09:53 »
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Yes I agree low quality can hurt SS on the long term. Also the definition of quality from the photographer perspective can be very different.... When  taking  10 pictures on the same subject on all its possible angle it is easy the get 5000 pictures on line but as like u say their lifetime  will be very short.... hence a low RPI and low earnings....
at the same time some people are making more than $ 100 a month on SS with only 200 pictures.....

« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2008, 11:19 »
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... Will buyers get fed up with digging through piles of crap to find good images, when they can go to sites with higher quality standards and a higher percentage of top-quality images? I believe they will.
I dunno ... if that was true then an agency with a reputation for being quite selective about their images (i.e. Crestock) would be very successful, which is clearly not the case.

helix7

« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2008, 12:50 »
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... Will buyers get fed up with digging through piles of crap to find good images, when they can go to sites with higher quality standards and a higher percentage of top-quality images? I believe they will.
I dunno ... if that was true then an agency with a reputation for being quite selective about their images (i.e. Crestock) would be very successful, which is clearly not the case.

It might not work both ways. A big company like SS can be too liberal with acceptances, diluting the collection. Likewise, a big company like istock being more selective refines the collection. On the other hand, a smaller company like Crestock being too selective can stifle growth. Being more liberal could benefit Crestock, while it hurts SS. Maybe it's more a matter of timing. Becoming more selective once the company grows beyond a certain size can work to their benefit, but becoming more selective too soon can be damaging to growth.



 

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