Author Topic: huge sales drop for new images (Read 34206 times)

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #50 on:** July 02, 2018, 13:26 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 02, 2018, 08:43

Quote from: Herg on July 02, 2018, 05:22
They are full of words of criticism, perceived wisdom but with nothing to back them up as they hide behind their anonymity. I would just like to see their ports as a reference.

... said someone who "hides" behind his/her anonymity!

I don't think Marbury actually hides, just doesn't make himself easy to connect.

I asked for no more anonymous, yes I am, to give the forum credibility, I'd come out as who I am. If writing lies and hate messages about some agency might get retaliation, maybe it's better to not write, or at least be cautious with accusations. FT isn't the same idiots anymore that tried to ban people for what we wrote on a public forum. Professional forum that's mostly trolls and no way to connect the truth with make believe. I'd rather have real people if we're supposed to take any of this serious. Until then, playground with liars, trolls, con men, bullies and all the multi account people.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #51 on:** July 02, 2018, 13:33 »

While I competely get WHY someone with a public portfolio seems more trustworthy, it's just utterly ridiculous to value someone's posts and opinions based on what they choose to share.

It's incredibly easy for ANYONE to pretend to be pretty much any microstock contributor with links and all. It proves absolutely nothing.

A reasonable individual values posts and opinions based on what and how the person writes. That's simply all we have to go on here. That cannot easily, if at all, be faked. It's also very easy to identify forum posters with different names on different forums based on the way they write, and see what they're all about.

That is all.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #52 on:** July 02, 2018, 15:23 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on July 02, 2018, 13:26

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 02, 2018, 08:43
Quote from: Herg on July 02, 2018, 05:22
They are full of words of criticism, perceived wisdom but with nothing to back them up as they hide behind their anonymity. I would just like to see their ports as a reference.

... said someone who "hides" behind his/her anonymity!

I don't think Marbury actually hides, just doesn't make himself easy to connect.

Who is "Marbury"?
I can find this when googling "Marbury shutterstock": https://www.shutterstock.com/g/hubballi

Not that it matters, but how can one tell that Marbury's port on SS (aka hubballi) is the same as Herg's?

... and btw, who si YadaYadaYada?

rinderart · « **Reply #53 on:** July 04, 2018, 16:25 »

I just Like to see the work. call me crazy. people can write till there blue. oh, on a good Note and Bad note June was my Best month On SS in 27 Months. good but sad.Vast majority was 6/7 year old stuff.Im weening Myself off of uploading so much. In my case It doesn't seen to matter. ever think that you have gone beyond what really sells? Im sorry But I simply couldn't do what Im seeing Most of anymore.I don't know how and I sure don't wanna learn. Maybe 60 Years ago......LOL

I did a Album Cover a few months ago for a Old friend Now Im getting a Lot of calls to do more. I like doing them. I've done 42 so far But that was a Long time ago... 70's and early 80's.Strange thing is the Pay is about the same as It was then.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #54 on:** July 05, 2018, 10:29 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 02, 2018, 15:23

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on July 02, 2018, 13:26
Quote from: Zero Talent on July 02, 2018, 08:43
Quote from: Herg on July 02, 2018, 05:22
They are full of words of criticism, perceived wisdom but with nothing to back them up as they hide behind their anonymity. I would just like to see their ports as a reference.

... said someone who "hides" behind his/her anonymity!

I don't think Marbury actually hides, just doesn't make himself easy to connect.

Who is "Marbury"?
I can find this when googling "Marbury shutterstock": https://www.shutterstock.com/g/hubballi

Not that it matters, but how can one tell that Marbury's port on SS (aka hubballi) is the same as Herg's?

... and btw, who si YadaYadaYada?

Or She? I say knowing who someone is and seeing their work, can lend to their credibility. And yes increasingdifficulty someone can pretend to be someone else, but they will be found out just as easily to be a fake. You can look at my name and my work and find that there's an overlap and it confirms who I am and what I do. With some anonymous poster here, we don't know if it's six of the same person, or someone with ten photos on Crestock. There is some value to knowing the source and their experience. Anonymous people and be anyone, anywhere, with a hidden agenda, disgruntled troll that hates a particular agency, someone who just doesn't like Microstock, and we'd never know.

In real life you tend to trust information or at the least evaluate the credibility, based on the source. An anonymous source has no base credibility or authority. Who, What, Why, Where, When and by what authority. Basic news or reporting, also how people view information. Of course this is the Internet, where anyone can write anything and get gullible people to believe it's real.

One person says new images have a huge drop. Someone else says, new images are stealing the downloads from old images. Welcome to microstock, where anyone can make up any fact they want and some people here on the forum will believe them. Some have made puffed up personas and history, with exaggerated skills and history, and people on the forum believe that too, without checking.

What we used to call hitting the wall, is now controlled sales or an income cap. Same as before, just a new name, with dark implications. Makes for a good conspiracy, blaming the agency manipulation for low sales, instead of the market, over supply and limited demand. Then there's always new users, bad reviews, biased search, and all kinds of other things. Blame, conspiracy, accusations, but nothing to back up the claims except "it's obvious I can see it". Right and I can see that the Earth is the center of the universe, it's obvious because everything circles around us.

Well in marketing and microstock, everything does not circle around us, as some might imagine as obvious. There's a whole big market, buyers, agents, supply, demand, prices and twisted search systems, very little if not NONE, has to do with any of us personally or as individuals. Agencies don't care if I upload this month or not. There are no tricks, or magic wheel of fortune. It's not a game and not just blind luck.

Produce good needed work and you'll get sales.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #55 on:** July 05, 2018, 10:51 »

Quote from: rinderart on July 04, 2018, 16:25

I just Like to see the work. call me crazy. people can write till there blue. oh, on a good Note and Bad note June was my Best month On SS in 27 Months. good but sad.Vast majority was 6/7 year old stuff.

Pretty much the same for me: June was my best month on SS in 20 months, except that my new stuff has a decent selling rate.

And no, you are definitely not crazy. I also "like to see the work".
What I don't like is to share mine.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #56 on:** July 05, 2018, 11:13 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 05, 2018, 10:51

Quote from: rinderart on July 04, 2018, 16:25
I just Like to see the work. call me crazy. people can write till there blue. oh, on a good Note and Bad note June was my Best month On SS in 27 Months. good but sad.Vast majority was 6/7 year old stuff.

Pretty much the same for me: June was my best month on SS in 20 months, except that my new stuff has a decent selling rate.

And no, you are definitely not crazy. I also "like to see the work".
What I don't like is to share mine.

There's another place I can agree. I sure enjoy that most popular on SS is totally absurd and wrong. At least someone can't go look at my best sellers and start making copies or better versions. That's why I don't post my latest great seller or best earning shots. I'm not inviting 100 thousand people, scuffling for quarters, to come copy my ideas.

New images will struggle up hill against the flood of new images coming down. I've pointed this out before but for some reason people don't see the serious effects.

2010 10 million images, sales were still reasonably good.

2012 (when the big earnings drop started) 20 million images

Now 200 million images and 1 million or more, new a week. How many buyers are there, what's the demand or need? That would have also needed to grow 100 times and even then, ratios don't explain that the market is just not big enough to sell like it did, with less competition. I'd have to upload 100 times my total, every year, just to keep up. Or we'd need 100 times more buyers every year?

Slice of the pie is going to be smaller. No way around that. The growth of earnings in Microstock has stagnated, for many regressed.

Every other "general" agency is the same or worse. Maybe, a select few agencies are still growing because they are selective, concentrate on video, or have a specific market.

alexandersr · « **Reply #57 on:** July 05, 2018, 13:53 »

Sales are not good for me.

jonbull · « **Reply #58 on:** July 05, 2018, 14:26 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 05, 2018, 11:13

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 05, 2018, 10:51
Quote from: rinderart on July 04, 2018, 16:25
I just Like to see the work. call me crazy. people can write till there blue. oh, on a good Note and Bad note June was my Best month On SS in 27 Months. good but sad.Vast majority was 6/7 year old stuff.

Pretty much the same for me: June was my best month on SS in 20 months, except that my new stuff has a decent selling rate.

And no, you are definitely not crazy. I also "like to see the work".
What I don't like is to share mine.

There's another place I can agree. I sure enjoy that most popular on SS is totally absurd and wrong. At least someone can't go look at my best sellers and start making copies or better versions. That's why I don't post my latest great seller or best earning shots. I'm not inviting 100 thousand people, scuffling for quarters, to come copy my ideas.

New images will struggle up hill against the flood of new images coming down. I've pointed this out before but for some reason people don't see the serious effects.

2010 10 million images, sales were still reasonably good.

2012 (when the big earnings drop started) 20 million images

Now 200 million images and 1 million or more, new a week. How many buyers are there, what's the demand or need? That would have also needed to grow 100 times and even then, ratios don't explain that the market is just not big enough to sell like it did, with less competition. I'd have to upload 100 times my total, every year, just to keep up. Or we'd need 100 times more buyers every year?

Slice of the pie is going to be smaller. No way around that. The growth of earnings in Microstock has stagnated, for many regressed.

Every other "general" agency is the same or worse. Maybe, a select few agencies are still growing because they are selective, concentrate on video, or have a specific market.

this is a finished business for contributor. still there is some spare mont to be done, but how many contributor earns to make a real living n a modern country? micro can be a good side line earning. primary income is and will be soon impossible. 1millon images added per week, and it' only the beginning. we soon see 2 3 4 5 10 million per week. there are thousand of potential contributor living in poor country where e en 50 dollar can make a difference at month. personally i'm earning more this year but the work put to earn a 5 % more is abysmal, and not rewarding. i still have a long backlog to upload but i am more interested in rm and small boutique agency.

alexandersr · « **Reply #59 on:** July 05, 2018, 15:10 »

Quote from: jonbull on July 05, 2018, 14:26

Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 05, 2018, 11:13
Quote from: Zero Talent on July 05, 2018, 10:51
Quote from: rinderart on July 04, 2018, 16:25
I just Like to see the work. call me crazy. people can write till there blue. oh, on a good Note and Bad note June was my Best month On SS in 27 Months. good but sad.Vast majority was 6/7 year old stuff.

Pretty much the same for me: June was my best month on SS in 20 months, except that my new stuff has a decent selling rate.

And no, you are definitely not crazy. I also "like to see the work".
What I don't like is to share mine.

There's another place I can agree. I sure enjoy that most popular on SS is totally absurd and wrong. At least someone can't go look at my best sellers and start making copies or better versions. That's why I don't post my latest great seller or best earning shots. I'm not inviting 100 thousand people, scuffling for quarters, to come copy my ideas.

New images will struggle up hill against the flood of new images coming down. I've pointed this out before but for some reason people don't see the serious effects.

2010 10 million images, sales were still reasonably good.

2012 (when the big earnings drop started) 20 million images

Now 200 million images and 1 million or more, new a week. How many buyers are there, what's the demand or need? That would have also needed to grow 100 times and even then, ratios don't explain that the market is just not big enough to sell like it did, with less competition. I'd have to upload 100 times my total, every year, just to keep up. Or we'd need 100 times more buyers every year?

Slice of the pie is going to be smaller. No way around that. The growth of earnings in Microstock has stagnated, for many regressed.

Every other "general" agency is the same or worse. Maybe, a select few agencies are still growing because they are selective, concentrate on video, or have a specific market.

this is a finished business for contributor. still there is some spare mont to be done, but how many contributor earns to make a real living n a modern country? micro can be a good side line earning. primary income is and will be soon impossible. 1millon images added per week, and it' only the beginning. we soon see 2 3 4 5 10 million per week. there are thousand of potential contributor living in poor country where e en 50 dollar can make a difference at month. personally i'm earning more this year but the work put to earn a 5 % more is abysmal, and not rewarding. i still have a long backlog to upload but i am more interested in rm and small boutique agency.

I live in Venezuela, that true, $100 it's good money. You can live for a month with that $100.

alexandersr · « **Reply #60 on:** July 05, 2018, 15:19 »

I would like to make for month in Shutterstock a least $100.

jonbull · « **Reply #61 on:** July 05, 2018, 15:26 »

Quote from: alexandersr on July 05, 2018, 15:19

I would like to make for month in Shutterstock a least $100.

well shoot the revolution, the warn the street and sells to real magazine. you can earn much more but is dangerous.

madman · « **Reply #62 on:** July 05, 2018, 18:23 »

I am on the same situation, it's not just shutterstock, it's everywhere like this, I dont understand why new images doesnt sell, it seems we are struggling for nothing after a point, I am not aware of this situation at all, the files I uploaded a few years ago are being sold, but there is no activity on the newly uploaded files.

LouisPhotos · « **Reply #63 on:** July 13, 2018, 08:55 »

they probably change the searching system. New image dont appear on the best result now

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #64 on:** July 13, 2018, 14:23 »

Quote from: alexandersr on July 05, 2018, 15:10

Quote from: jonbull on July 05, 2018, 14:26
Quote from: Uncle Pete on July 05, 2018, 11:13
Quote from: Zero Talent on July 05, 2018, 10:51
Quote from: rinderart on July 04, 2018, 16:25
I just Like to see the work. call me crazy. people can write till there blue. oh, on a good Note and Bad note June was my Best month On SS in 27 Months. good but sad.Vast majority was 6/7 year old stuff.

Pretty much the same for me: June was my best month on SS in 20 months, except that my new stuff has a decent selling rate.

And no, you are definitely not crazy. I also "like to see the work".
What I don't like is to share mine.

There's another place I can agree. I sure enjoy that most popular on SS is totally absurd and wrong. At least someone can't go look at my best sellers and start making copies or better versions. That's why I don't post my latest great seller or best earning shots. I'm not inviting 100 thousand people, scuffling for quarters, to come copy my ideas.

New images will struggle up hill against the flood of new images coming down. I've pointed this out before but for some reason people don't see the serious effects.

2010 10 million images, sales were still reasonably good.

2012 (when the big earnings drop started) 20 million images

Now 200 million images and 1 million or more, new a week. How many buyers are there, what's the demand or need? That would have also needed to grow 100 times and even then, ratios don't explain that the market is just not big enough to sell like it did, with less competition. I'd have to upload 100 times my total, every year, just to keep up. Or we'd need 100 times more buyers every year?

Slice of the pie is going to be smaller. No way around that. The growth of earnings in Microstock has stagnated, for many regressed.

Every other "general" agency is the same or worse. Maybe, a select few agencies are still growing because they are selective, concentrate on video, or have a specific market.

this is a finished business for contributor. still there is some spare mont to be done, but how many contributor earns to make a real living n a modern country? micro can be a good side line earning. primary income is and will be soon impossible. 1millon images added per week, and it' only the beginning. we soon see 2 3 4 5 10 million per week. there are thousand of potential contributor living in poor country where e en 50 dollar can make a difference at month. personally i'm earning more this year but the work put to earn a 5 % more is abysmal, and not rewarding. i still have a long backlog to upload but i am more interested in rm and small boutique agency.
I live in Venezuela, that true, $100 it's good money. You can live for a month with that $100.

Good to hear that there are still some who benefit from this work. Keep growing. I hope micro makes your life better.

New images make sales, the search changes all the time, maybe by day, I have old that sell and sell, I have some new that caught on and get many sales. I don't think of new vs old I think of what is the image. Age shouldn't matter. I mean to say, people see trends and old vs new, next week they will see new vs old and say old don't sell. They can see whatever they want to see, because there's always change.

Phadrea · « **Reply #65 on:** July 15, 2018, 05:26 »

It’s absolutley dead. I have never known it this bad. Completley flatlined.

ShadySue · « **Reply #66 on:** July 15, 2018, 05:32 »

namussi · « **Reply #67 on:** July 15, 2018, 07:28 »

Quote from: ShadySue on July 15, 2018, 05:32

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cathyslife · « **Reply #68 on:** July 16, 2018, 02:41 »

Quote from: namussi on July 15, 2018, 07:28

Quote from: ShadySue on July 15, 2018, 05:32
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She posted, changed her mind, but you can’t delete a post.

namussi · « **Reply #69 on:** July 16, 2018, 03:59 »

Quote from: derek on June 19, 2018, 07:22

Uploading right now is fatal! it will just sit there not selling and then it falls down in rank and finally just vanishes never to be seen let alone sell. Thats the new name of the game!

Please name at least one uploader who has died. :-)

namussi · « **Reply #70 on:** July 16, 2018, 06:48 »

Quote from: cathyslife on July 16, 2018, 02:41

Quote from: namussi on July 15, 2018, 07:28
Quote from: ShadySue on July 15, 2018, 05:32
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She posted, changed her mind, but you can’t delete a post.

Ooooo. I wonder what was posted.

ShadySue · « **Reply #71 on:** July 16, 2018, 09:13 »

Quote from: namussi on July 16, 2018, 06:48

Quote from: cathyslife on July 16, 2018, 02:41
Quote from: namussi on July 15, 2018, 07:28
Quote from: ShadySue on July 15, 2018, 05:32
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She posted, changed her mind, but you can’t delete a post.

Ooooo. I wonder what was posted.

Wonder on.

rinderart · « **Reply #72 on:** July 16, 2018, 16:06 »

Quote from: derek on June 19, 2018, 04:31

Yep at this moment Adobe is outselling SS by far!
[/quot+1000 so..why is SS rated so High.I come back here every week or so Just to see the Poll Numbers. and It just doesn't change.

rinderart · « **Reply #73 on:** July 16, 2018, 16:09 »

Quote from: gnirtS on June 19, 2018, 04:41

New stuff is really being de ranked in the searching again it seems.
Usually uploading a modest number of new you'd expect a decent number to pick up sales.
Lately that just isn't the case. New stuff sits there whereas old stuff (sometimes really old and having never sold in years of being there) with the same keywording sell.
Im in the process of clearing a backlog of 9 months of images and uploading, added about 1000 in the last month. Sadly, with the algorithm at the moment its making no difference - all my sales are still the older images.
Looks like i picked exactly the wrong time to update my portfolio.

Same here. everyday. 6/7 Year old stuff and VERY strangely the same Images. Talk about Manipulation.

Stockmaan · « **Reply #74 on:** July 17, 2018, 07:31 »

SS and Dreams ok, Adobe and 123rf dead.

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