Author Topic: I need this massive process image to get approved now on SS? (Read 6606 times)

MisterElements · « **on:** April 09, 2013, 15:29 »

I need this massive process image to get approved now on SS?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=470031976398618&set=a.310515332350284.71655.310236269044857&type=1&theater

I have to do this for each image I now submit to SS? Not an easy uploading process...would you do this for every image if you where me?

or maybe this one...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=393290144072802&set=pb.310236269044857.-2207520000.1365540615&type=3&theater

daveh900 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 09, 2013, 15:33 »

You can't just submit the original sketch image?

If they are requiring you to submit step-by-step images like this they are insane.

chromaco · « **Reply #2 on:** April 09, 2013, 15:34 »

Seriously? I haven't uploaded to SS for a month or so. Is this new for illustrations? What are they telling you?

MisterElements · « **Reply #3 on:** April 09, 2013, 15:37 »

I think it would be important for SS to comment on this thread. All I know is the last time I got mass rejections from SS this is what I needed to do...crazy. It seems for me to get work accepted again I'll need to start doing this again.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=393290144072802&set=pb.310236269044857.-2207520000.1365540615&type=3&theater

cthoman · « **Reply #4 on:** April 09, 2013, 16:05 »

I wouldn't do it, but I haven't submitted to SS in 2 years. So, they aren't exactly on the top of my priorities list.

daveh900 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 09, 2013, 16:14 »

I would think an easy enough solution would be for Shutterstock to require illustrators to do this once, pass the test, then allow them to upload their work without "originals" after that.

MisterElements · « **Reply #6 on:** April 09, 2013, 16:17 »

Quote from: daveh900 on April 09, 2013, 16:14

I would think an easy enough solution would be for Shutterstock to require illustrators to do this once, pass the test, then allow them to upload their work without "originals" after that.

I totally agree!

Microbius · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:37 »

Just a scan of the original sketch is fine on my experience.

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:48 »

Quote from: MisterElements on April 09, 2013, 15:37

I think it would be important for SS to comment on this thread.

Did you ask them directly?

wordplanet · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2013, 08:59 »

Awesome images - especially the dragon - I agree that once they've seen one set of multi-step images and know your style they should let you pass without a problem - but if one of those people who steals others' illustrations and uses them with minor tweaks ever does that to yours, you'd have lots of documentation for a copyright suit. Hope that doesn't happen.
I'd contact SS and ask them. They get back to you and can be very helpful.

daveh900 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2013, 10:19 »

Quote from: wordplanet on April 10, 2013, 08:59

...They get back to you and can be very helpful.

They do? They are?

MisterElements · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2013, 12:39 »

Quote from: scottbraut on April 10, 2013, 11:17

Hey guys,

Nice illustrations, MisterElements!

To be clear, we only require a scan or picture of your reference images for vectors/illustrations. We do not require step-by-step images. We also no longer require you to submit the reference image with a filled out property release - a scan or picture of the reference image along with your submission is acceptable.

One of the main reasons we request reference images is so that we can help protect you if there is ever a dispute regarding the ownership of one of your images. Our hope with this policy is that we can reduce the disruption of a contributor's account should there be a complaint about the contributor's content. Our ultimate goal is to prevent the abuse of intellectual property rights, and this policy helps us do this. In addition, this also helps us maintain the integrity of the collection for customers.

There's more information on the policy here (note that the images are only examples):
http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/how-to-submit-vectors-created-using-other-images

We'll also be updating these posts as questions come up about specific scenarios, so we're communicating policy updates to the widest audience possible at once. Again, most of these changes seek to either simplify an existing requirement, reduce the number of issues that hit the queues during review (i.e., addressing them proactively will make review faster), or ensure the integrity of the collection.

We're also working on a dedicated guide on the legal aspects of content creation, which will include information about these questions and issues.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

Thanks for your response. If this is indeed a new policy, Shutterstock must make it clear that this new standard will be applied to everyone. Right now it feels like contributors are being randomly targeted as some people have not had to jump through the hoops that other have. You guys have an extremely long review time and to have somethings rejected for not having a release and some accepted (that don't have a release) after waiting 2-3 weeks for a review is extremely frustrating, as I'm sure you understand.

The answer, at least to me, is to set a new policy and inform everyone about it. Make a standard and have all illustrators subject to the new rules.

You mentioned that the release adds a layer of protection to all parties involved, including me, the contributor. How exactly does an illustration release add a layer of protection for me? I'm not sure I understand Shutterstock's position on this and would appreciate very much to know how it helps me. Perhaps I am not appreciating its value fully.

Also, and this is very important, if the release is going to be required, Shutterstock needs to provide us artists with a different release form specifically made for illustrators. You current property release form is not tailored to contributors who are drawing their illustrations. As it reads now you are asking us to sign that we are releasing our own art to ourselves! Clearly some new policies/paperwork are necessary if you are indeed requiring this of all contributors. Make an illustrator release form and state clearly exactly what you require to see from us and have us sign a statement that we made the art. Is showing a photo of our drawing enough? Screenshots of the process? A scan of the drawing? And for folks who create their art 100% in the computer, what do you require to see from them? The list of question goes on. No one knows exactly what you need to see because Shutterstock has not officially addressed this issue. All artists create their art with a different process so this must be thoroughly thought through so all variables can be taken into account when making policy for all.

One of the main concerns all of us contributors have is ease of uploading on a site. The bottom line is we want to get our content online as quickly and easily as possible for customers to see and buy. Please help us give you our best content by making the process as easy and streamlined (and consistant!) as possible.

Thanks for your time discussing this important issue.

daveh900 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2013, 15:44 »

I appreciate that you are on these forums addressing these issues Anthony. Seriously, two thumbs up to you.

It is still up to the individual reviewer to decide what does or does not need a reference image, and that inconsistency added to the long review times of late is very frustrating. If you want to upload an image specific to a certain time of year or a holiday you could certainly miss out if you have to resubmit and wait another 2+ weeks for another review.

I have had a handful of images rejected in the past because I did not include a reference image. The problem for me is that there isn't one to submit. Most of my images are created on my computer, no originals exist.

MisterElements · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2013, 15:53 »

Quote from: anthonycorreia on April 10, 2013, 15:08

Hello MisterElements,

We appreciate your questions and will do our best to answer them for you.

Please know that this policy has been in effect for some time now and is consistently applied across all vector and illustration submissions. As you can understand, our reviewers only request reference images for vector or illustration submissions which appear to be similar to, copied, traced or recreated from a reference image. Not all vector and illustration submissions will require a copy of a reference image. This may account for why it appears that we apply this policy inconsistently, but please be assured that the same rules apply to everyone.

Our goal with this policy is to make the process of submitting vectors and illustrations easier for our contributors. Instead of having an image rejected by the reviewer with a request for the reference image, the contributor can now upload both items to streamline review for that image. This, in turn, will reduce our review queues and expedite our overall review times.

Additionally, submitting a reference image will help protect you if there is ever a claim regarding ownership of your work. While we can't go into detail about our internal legal processes, having a copy of your reference image on file will allow us to address these claims quickly without changing the status of your account.

Please note that a release is no longer required to submit reference images; you need only submit a copy of the reference image with your vector or illustration submission. This means a scanned copy or clear photograph of the reference image will be enough. For images created directly on a program, we would not need a reference image or screenshots of the process.

We hope this addresses your questions and concerns. We also hope that you understand that this policy is meant to expedite review as well as protect you from ownership disputes. As always, please email us at [email protected] for any questions about your own submissions.

Sincerely,
Anthony Correia
Director, Contributor Success
Shutterstock | Bigstock

Hi Anthony,

Thanks for addressing some of our concerns. Hopefully we all do get to enjoy this consistency you talk about as things move forward.

Something that still needs clarification: Can Shutterstock please define what a "reference image" is? You say "Please note that a release is no longer required to submit reference images; you need only submit a copy of the reference image with your vector or illustration submission." Will a scan of my drawing that I use to create my vector suffice? And wouldn't my original drawing be my "source file", not "reference"? The term "reference" implies that the artist is looking at some other source outside themselves, and since in my case I draw from my imagination, there is nothing to show except my original drawing.

Thanks for helping to continue clarifying things for everyone.
MisterElements

VB inc · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2013, 23:51 »

Quote from: scottbraut on April 10, 2013, 11:17

To be clear, we only require a scan or picture of your reference images for vectors/illustrations. We do not require step-by-step images. We also no longer require you to submit the reference image with a filled out property release - a scan or picture of the reference image along with your submission is acceptable.

Is this true? A month ago, a batch of my vectors all got rejected (around 20) because i uploaded just the sketches and my reference photos i used without a property release. It got rejected saying it needed a property release. I attached it to the property release and got rejected again for not having a witness sign it. Being that i drew these illustrations when i was istock exclusive 3 years ago, i had to fake sign witness just to get these things approved. All a cumbersome confusing and illogical process if you ask me so i really hope that you dont need property release when submitting your references from now on.

Poncke · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2013, 03:25 »

Quote from: daveh900 on April 10, 2013, 15:44

I appreciate that you are on these forums addressing these issues ....

Well, the people over at SS are not really impressed because there is ZILCH communication from SS on their OWN forum. Why SS is commenting here and not on the SS forum is beyond everyone.

ruxpriencdiam · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2013, 06:10 »

Quote from: Poncke on April 11, 2013, 03:25

Quote from: daveh900 on April 10, 2013, 15:44
I appreciate that you are on these forums addressing these issues ....

Well, the people over at SS are not really impressed because there is ZILCH communication from SS on their OWN forum. Why SS is commenting here and not on the SS forum is beyond everyone.

True!

No one says anything on their own forum and lots there have no idea about MSG or what it is.

Tryingmybest · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2013, 09:39 »

You all have rejected images that I created 100% on computer for not having a source image. I've been working with you for over 2 years and never had such ridiculousness. I've never stolen anyone's images. This is very frustrating!

Quote from: scottbraut on April 10, 2013, 11:17

Hey guys,

Nice illustrations, MisterElements!

To be clear, we only require a scan or picture of your reference images for vectors/illustrations. We do not require step-by-step images. We also no longer require you to submit the reference image with a filled out property release - a scan or picture of the reference image along with your submission is acceptable.

One of the main reasons we request reference images is so that we can help protect you if there is ever a dispute regarding the ownership of one of your images. Our hope with this policy is that we can reduce the disruption of a contributor's account should there be a complaint about the contributor's content. Our ultimate goal is to prevent the abuse of intellectual property rights, and this policy helps us do this. In addition, this also helps us maintain the integrity of the collection for customers.

There's more information on the policy here (note that the images are only examples):
http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/how-to-submit-vectors-created-using-other-images

We'll also be updating these posts as questions come up about specific scenarios, so we're communicating policy updates to the widest audience possible at once. Again, most of these changes seek to either simplify an existing requirement, reduce the number of issues that hit the queues during review (i.e., addressing them proactively will make review faster), or ensure the integrity of the collection.

We're also working on a dedicated guide on the legal aspects of content creation, which will include information about these questions and issues.

Best Regards,

Scott
VP of Content
Shutterstock

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