Author Topic: Is there something more to the SS royalty cut (Read 10171 times)

Mantis · « **on:** June 03, 2020, 14:58 »

I’m wondering if there is more to this whole Shutterstock debacle, such as if they might be positioning themselves for better valuation to be sold or merged. I have been involved in two mergers in my career and our main goal was to make the financials look good for a minimum of the past three years and I’d say five years for larger companies. That sets the valuation to maximize selling price.

I only bring this up because I this smells like something much bigger than just instant gratification.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/dking/2016/06/13/preparing-for-the-sale-of-your-company/amp/

amarrow · « **Reply #1 on:** June 03, 2020, 15:16 »

Seems so, make the bride pretty, at our expense. Expereianced in my career two merger of larger companies, with fired employees. So seems like a long therm business plan. I need to search now also for a new business model, its really serious, for many of us.

charged · « **Reply #2 on:** June 03, 2020, 15:22 »

As someone else already pointed out, the new CEO has tons of stock options that only vest if he meets target goals, hence, why they are now robbing you lot so the company can increase profit and the CEO will have millions of dollars of options vest and get a great deal of money. CEOs being paid in stock options based upon meeting metrics is pretty common practice. In this instance, it is to your detriment.

mj007 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 03, 2020, 15:34 »

I may have this incorrect. Correct me if so. Wasn't IStock at on time owned by Bill Gates and he sold it to Getty ?? Maybe Amazon or Apple want to buy SS. They both have lots of cash on hand and SS would fit in their portfolo. Both are in the Movie industry and a Stock company makes sense..

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #4 on:** June 03, 2020, 15:37 »

You could be onto something. Dropping rates then selling the company has happened before.

Makes the books look good and old management takes all the flak while new management ducks it and gets the rewards.

Clair Voyant · « **Reply #5 on:** June 03, 2020, 15:41 »

Quote from: mj007 on June 03, 2020, 15:34

I may have this incorrect. Correct me if so. Wasn't IStock at on time owned by Bill Gates and he sold it to Getty ?? Maybe Amazon or Apple want to buy SS. They both have lots of cash on hand and SS would fit in their portfolo. Both are in the Movie industry and a Stock company makes sense..

It was Bruce Livingstone (Istock) who "sold out" to Getty Images. Bill Gates owned Corbis for years and sold that to Visual China Group who is also in bed with Getty Images.

mj007 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 03, 2020, 15:42 »

Thanks, about Bill Gates...you are correct...

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #7 on:** June 03, 2020, 16:17 »

Quote from: Mantis on June 03, 2020, 14:58

I’m wondering if there is more to this whole Shutterstock debacle, such as if they might be positioning themselves for better valuation to be sold or merged. I have been involved in two mergers in my career and our main goal was to make the financials look good for a minimum of the past three years and I’d say five years for larger companies. That sets the valuation to maximize selling price.

I only bring this up because I this smells like something much bigger than just instant gratification.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/dking/2016/06/13/preparing-for-the-sale-of-your-company/amp/

Good point.

I also worked for a long established company that was bought because it was under valued. The new much bigger company, started cutting costs, cutting agents and moved production. After they had all the numbers up and after a huge profit, they sold that company off as division.

DallasP · « **Reply #8 on:** June 03, 2020, 16:22 »

Quote from: Mantis on June 03, 2020, 14:58

I’m wondering if there is more to this whole Shutterstock debacle, such as if they might be positioning themselves for better valuation to be sold or merged. I have been involved in two mergers in my career and our main goal was to make the financials look good for a minimum of the past three years and I’d say five years for larger companies. That sets the valuation to maximize selling price.

I only bring this up because I this smells like something much bigger than just instant gratification.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/dking/2016/06/13/preparing-for-the-sale-of-your-company/amp/

idk. They more than doubled the dividend though. With so much insider ownership it looks more like they want to live on that 326m ...

Chichikov · « **Reply #9 on:** June 03, 2020, 23:10 »

I have seen this this morning.
Is it true?
Is it a fake?

Pauws99 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2020, 03:48 »

Shutterstock/Istock merger to "compete" with Adobe? We are doomed I tell you. Or it may be that they are seeing a massive slump ahead with Covid. I pretty sure we don't know the full story.

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2020, 04:58 »

Quote from: Chichikov on June 03, 2020, 23:10

I have seen this this morning.
Is it true?
Is it a fake?

It's true he probably needed to buy a new guitar for his collection

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2020, 04:59 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 04, 2020, 03:48

Shutterstock/Istock merger to "compete" with Adobe? We are doomed I tell you. Or it may be that they are seeing a massive slump ahead with Covid. I pretty sure we don't know the full story.

Getty hasn't got a bean to its name its more likely to be Visual China Group

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2020, 06:33 »

Quote from: Chichikov on June 03, 2020, 23:10

I have seen this this morning.
Is it true?
Is it a fake?

True, but absolutely tiny amount of his holdings in the company. Don't let that stop you letting people know the major share holder is selling off shares though.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2020, 07:22 »

Quote from: Bad Robot on June 04, 2020, 04:59

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 04, 2020, 03:48
Shutterstock/Istock merger to "compete" with Adobe? We are doomed I tell you. Or it may be that they are seeing a massive slump ahead with Covid. I pretty sure we don't know the full story.

Getty hasn't got a bean to its name its more likely to be Visual China Group

Last time I looked which is a while back SS did have a lot of money sitting in the bank...they could maybe finance Getty's debt. In the world of investment/banking all sorts of bizarre things seem possible.

gnirtS · « **Reply #15 on:** June 04, 2020, 07:27 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 04, 2020, 07:22

Quote from: Bad Robot on June 04, 2020, 04:59
Quote from: Pauws99 on June 04, 2020, 03:48
Shutterstock/Istock merger to "compete" with Adobe? We are doomed I tell you. Or it may be that they are seeing a massive slump ahead with Covid. I pretty sure we don't know the full story.

Getty hasn't got a bean to its name its more likely to be Visual China Group
Last time I looked which is a while back SS did have a lot of money sitting in the bank...they could maybe finance Getty's debt. In the world of investment/banking all sorts of bizarre things seem possible.

Last report had $300 million in funds and zero debt.

obj owl · « **Reply #16 on:** June 04, 2020, 07:30 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on June 04, 2020, 07:22

Quote from: Bad Robot on June 04, 2020, 04:59
Quote from: Pauws99 on June 04, 2020, 03:48
Shutterstock/Istock merger to "compete" with Adobe? We are doomed I tell you. Or it may be that they are seeing a massive slump ahead with Covid. I pretty sure we don't know the full story.

Getty hasn't got a bean to its name its more likely to be Visual China Group
Last time I looked which is a while back SS did have a lot of money sitting in the bank...they could maybe finance Getty's debt. In the world of investment/banking all sorts of bizarre things seem possible.

They do not want to buy market share with their money they want to do it with yours. The only reason they would be interested in getty is for their libraries of exclusive content and I doubt that would be worth the debt they have. Besides the Getty family have just done a refinancing of the business to buy it back.

m · « **Reply #17 on:** June 04, 2020, 08:56 »

I would agree. Look at Jarrod Yahes, new CFO, and how many companies he's been at that were acquired.
and he was at https://zetaglobal.com/about/ before shutterstock
John Sculley ex CEO at Apple.
Connecting the dots.

m · « **Reply #18 on:** June 04, 2020, 09:12 »

more like 46573 shares over 3 days
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549346/000117911020006941/xslF345X03/edgar.xml

but yes and small amount compared to the total amount he owns

Let's point out the his quarterly dividend is 2,755,658.18

noodle · « **Reply #19 on:** June 04, 2020, 10:02 »

Quote from: m on June 04, 2020, 09:12

more like 46573 shares over 3 days
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1549346/000117911020006941/xslF345X03/edgar.xml

but yes and small amount compared to the total amount he owns

Let's point out the his quarterly dividend is 2,755,658.18

It’s never enough

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #20 on:** June 04, 2020, 10:11 »

I hadn't realised that even if it is a small part of his holdings it is still the most he's ever sold. I wonder if he is trying to get out as quick as he can without spooking the market.

m · « **Reply #21 on:** June 04, 2020, 10:30 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 04, 2020, 10:11

I hadn't realised that even if it is a small part of his holdings it is still the most he's ever sold. I wonder if he is trying to get out as quick as he can without spooking the market.

who is buying on the other end? slowly acquire

gnirtS · « **Reply #22 on:** June 04, 2020, 10:35 »

Quote from: m on June 04, 2020, 10:30

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 04, 2020, 10:11
I hadn't realised that even if it is a small part of his holdings it is still the most he's ever sold. I wonder if he is trying to get out as quick as he can without spooking the market.
who is buying on the other end? slowly acquire

It makes sense. In Q4 they're going to report huge growth and RPD. In January it'll be massively better again. They'll spike high.

H2O · « **Reply #23 on:** June 04, 2020, 12:15 »

I have tracked the numbers of images that they have for sale since yesterday and overall they are down 62000 on a day, it will be interesting to see what happens when they pay everyone, as I imagine we will see a big spike in Portfolio's being pulled.

The talent is walking and I expect that to accelerate as the month goes on.

Mantis · « **Reply #24 on:** June 04, 2020, 12:35 »

Quote from: gnirtS on June 04, 2020, 10:35

Quote from: m on June 04, 2020, 10:30
Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 04, 2020, 10:11
I hadn't realised that even if it is a small part of his holdings it is still the most he's ever sold. I wonder if he is trying to get out as quick as he can without spooking the market.
who is buying on the other end? slowly acquire

It makes sense. In Q4 they're going to report huge growth and RPD. In January it'll be massively better again. They'll spike high.

This is my point. Make historical data look strong.

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