Author Topic: it's frustrating (Read 15577 times)

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #25 on:** March 15, 2012, 09:42 »

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 09:07

Well, my latest batch just passed the two hour mark - so I guess they are busy poring over yours right now

Lol! This is so exciting, I'm warming up my inbox as we speak.

Newsfocus1 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 15, 2012, 10:24 »

Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 09:42

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 09:07
Well, my latest batch just passed the two hour mark - so I guess they are busy poring over yours right now

Lol! This is so exciting, I'm warming up my inbox as we speak.

Err.. you might want to make yourself a cup of coffee or something -just got approved (right on three hours)

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #27 on:** March 15, 2012, 10:41 »

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 10:24

Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 09:42
Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 09:07
Well, my latest batch just passed the two hour mark - so I guess they are busy poring over yours right now

Lol! This is so exciting, I'm warming up my inbox as we speak.

Err.. you might want to make yourself a cup of coffee or something -just got approved (right on three hours)

Coffee cup in one hand, middle finger extended with the other.

gemmy12 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 15, 2012, 10:43 »

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 10:24

Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 09:42
Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 09:07
Well, my latest batch just passed the two hour mark - so I guess they are busy poring over yours right now

Lol! This is so exciting, I'm warming up my inbox as we speak.

Err.. you might want to make yourself a cup of coffee or something -just got approved (right on three hours)

Hey Newsfocus.. how many images/files do you submit in one batch ?

gbalex · « **Reply #29 on:** March 15, 2012, 10:43 »

It is well known that SS reviews are all over the map. They accept the most god awful stuff from some well known submitters and reject pristine work from others.

For a very long time I had close to 100% acceptance then suddenly I ran into a reviewer or possible a script that was rejecting my work at close to 90% for about 4 months. I kept submitting images to get a good understanding of what was up. My conclusion was either the reviewer was making more for rejections, they were malicious or they were completely blind.

Now for the kicker, suddenly that reviewer seems to have moved on to new prey, because once again I have close to 100% acceptance.

Newsfocus1 · « **Reply #30 on:** March 15, 2012, 11:09 »

Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 10:41

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 10:24
Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 09:42
Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 09:07
Well, my latest batch just passed the two hour mark - so I guess they are busy poring over yours right now

Lol! This is so exciting, I'm warming up my inbox as we speak.

Err.. you might want to make yourself a cup of coffee or something -just got approved (right on three hours)

Coffee cup in one hand, middle finger extended with the other.

LOL

Newsfocus1 · « **Reply #31 on:** March 15, 2012, 11:20 »

Quote from: gemmy12 on March 15, 2012, 10:43

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 10:24
Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 09:42
Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 09:07
Well, my latest batch just passed the two hour mark - so I guess they are busy poring over yours right now

Lol! This is so exciting, I'm warming up my inbox as we speak.

Err.. you might want to make yourself a cup of coffee or something -just got approved (right on three hours)

Hey Newsfocus.. how many images/files do you submit in one batch ?

I keep it to around 3-6 images per batch (though might have several batches up for review at the same time). I learned my lesson early on when a single batch of 20 or so got slaughtered

Do small batches maybe get reviewed faster? No idea, but I suppose it is possible. Don't forget, though, that I am just talking editorial images here which get reviewed faster anyway. Regards,David.

gemmy12 · « **Reply #32 on:** March 15, 2012, 11:31 »

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 11:20

I keep it to around 3-6 images per batch (though might have several batches up for review at the same time). I learned my lesson early on when a single batch of 20 or so got slaughtered Do small batches maybe get reviewed faster?

So do i (less pics/batch). Hope that my current batch pass sson (with success). Thanks

mtilghma · « **Reply #33 on:** March 15, 2012, 14:16 »

Quote from: gbalex on March 15, 2012, 10:43

It is well known that SS reviews are all over the map. They accept the most god awful stuff from some well known submitters and reject pristine work from others.

For a very long time I had close to 100% acceptance then suddenly I ran into a reviewer or possible a script that was rejecting my work at close to 90% for about 4 months. I kept submitting images to get a good understanding of what was up. My conclusion was either the reviewer was making more for rejections, they were malicious or they were completely blind.

Now for the kicker, suddenly that reviewer seems to have moved on to new prey, because once again I have close to 100% acceptance.

I find that doubtful, because I doubt reviewers are assigned to certain people... I figure they probably just pick batches from the top of the queue, but thats just a guess.

That being said, I also HOPE you are wrong, because my trends are somewhat similar. I started off with a high acceptance rate, then it dwindled, then it rose and is very high right now. I like my explanation (for me), better than yours... when I first left iS, I was submitting my very best work to SS first, so most of it got accepted. Then, stuff started becoming rejected because I had to learn exactly what SS wanted, if the shots didnt scream "accept me!!!". Then I learned, and now I am having almost everything accepted. That is my explanation, becuase it's what I want to believe

Anyone have insight on whether reviewers cherry-pick certain photogs, or get assigned to certain photogs? Or do they just get a batch ID in their inbox

gbalex · « **Reply #34 on:** March 16, 2012, 00:39 »

Quote from: mtilghma on March 15, 2012, 14:16

Quote from: gbalex on March 15, 2012, 10:43
It is well known that SS reviews are all over the map. They accept the most god awful stuff from some well known submitters and reject pristine work from others.

For a very long time I had close to 100% acceptance then suddenly I ran into a reviewer or possible a script that was rejecting my work at close to 90% for about 4 months. I kept submitting images to get a good understanding of what was up. My conclusion was either the reviewer was making more for rejections, they were malicious or they were completely blind.

Now for the kicker, suddenly that reviewer seems to have moved on to new prey, because once again I have close to 100% acceptance.

I find that doubtful, because I doubt reviewers are assigned to certain people... I figure they probably just pick batches from the top of the queue, but thats just a guess.

That being said, I also HOPE you are wrong, because my trends are somewhat similar. I started off with a high acceptance rate, then it dwindled, then it rose and is very high right now. I like my explanation (for me), better than yours... when I first left iS, I was submitting my very best work to SS first, so most of it got accepted. Then, stuff started becoming rejected because I had to learn exactly what SS wanted, if the shots didnt scream "accept me!!!". Then I learned, and now I am having almost everything accepted. That is my explanation, becuase it's what I want to believe

Anyone have insight on whether reviewers cherry-pick certain photogs, or get assigned to certain photogs? Or do they just get a batch ID in their inbox

I submit with quality rather than quantity in mind. I spend a great deal of time trying to produce images that will make it onto first page searches.

Can you explain why I would suddenly see a long string of rejections that lasted over 4 months after having experiencing the opposite for over 8 years?

The quality of my work continues to improve and suddenly I could not get anything approved and then just as suddenly my images were somehow acceptable again.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #35 on:** March 16, 2012, 05:01 »

Quote from: stockastic on March 15, 2012, 08:57

Regarding the f/27, it was a Nikon 60mm 'micro' lens and I'd been doing a couple of macro shots of small objects. SS had already accepted 3 or 4 with the same setup. All were more than adequately sharp at 100%. All were just as sharp as many others SS has already accepted.

Check out this page http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/394-nikkor_60_28?start=1 to see in the chart how rapidly image sharpness degrades when you push the aperture beyond f/11. I don't know if the way they calculate it takes account in some way of the diffraction limits of the sensor or not, different sensor pixel densities and sizes give different diffraction limits - you can calculate those for your camera here http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/diffraction-photography.htm

I'm surprised Nikon make an f/32 lens for a crop sensor camera. f/32 is OK for 4x5 film cameras but no digital camera will make sharp images at that aperture.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #36 on:** March 17, 2012, 03:23 »

Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 11:09

Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 10:41
Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 10:24
Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 15, 2012, 09:42
Quote from: Newsfocus1 on March 15, 2012, 09:07
Well, my latest batch just passed the two hour mark - so I guess they are busy poring over yours right now

Lol! This is so exciting, I'm warming up my inbox as we speak.

Err.. you might want to make yourself a cup of coffee or something -just got approved (right on three hours)

Coffee cup in one hand, middle finger extended with the other.

LOL

I'm on the Scotch now. $:-\$

CD123 · « **Reply #37 on:** March 17, 2012, 05:18 »

Odd things are happening. Had a complete batch refused, all for non technical reasons (to my surprise as I was sure that the content was quite in the site's line). Somehow, someone went back and approved a few images afterwards

Ever happened to any of you?

gemmy12 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 17, 2012, 06:53 »

Quote from: CD123 on March 17, 2012, 05:18

Odd things are happening. Had a complete batch refused, all for non technical reasons (to my surprise as I was sure that the content was quite in the site's line). Somehow, someone went back and approved a few images afterwards Ever happened to any of you?

Yeah it has happened with me once but i don't remember whether it was in SS or IS (most probably SS). Initially few images were rejected and next day i saw them online. And now those files are selling well both in SS and IS

stockastic · « **Reply #39 on:** March 17, 2012, 09:52 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 16, 2012, 05:01

Quote from: stockastic on March 15, 2012, 08:57
Regarding the f/27, it was a Nikon 60mm 'micro' lens and I'd been doing a couple of macro shots of small objects. SS had already accepted 3 or 4 with the same setup. All were more than adequately sharp at 100%. All were just as sharp as many others SS has already accepted.

Check out this page http://www.photozone.de/nikon--nikkor-aps-c-lens-tests/394-nikkor_60_28?start=1 to see in the chart how rapidly image sharpness degrades when you push the aperture beyond f/11.

Guess I will have to delete all the photos I've made using that f-stop that have already been approved. Too bad :-)

But seriously, the image is sharp enough. And there is the tradeoff between DOF and sharpness; if you take an extreme point of view, you can't produce a frame-filling 'microstock quality' image that's a closeup of a small object; either your overall focus will be slightly soft or there will be some areas not in focus. This is one of the dumb things about microstock - these robo-reviewers apply landscape standards to macro photos. This photo, for example, shows a small hand tool (wire cutter) in use. I could open the f-stop and have just cutting jaws in focus, and SS would reject that too.

And this isn't a magazine cover photo. No one wants a wall size print of a wire cutter. The image is more than sharp enough for any purpose for which it might be bought. But there I go again with the common sense...

Just for you, BT, I'm going to shoot the photo again with a larger aperture and see if I can get an image that is significantly - meaningfully - sharper.

cascoly · « **Reply #40 on:** March 17, 2012, 15:59 »

>>>>>>
"When submitting public domain images, submit them for commercial use and provide us with the source name, country, year, and creator and a property release."

I don't understand the property release part? Property release for a PD image, from whom?
>>>>>

yes, that property release for a public domain image is oxymoronic

even sillier, i've provided public domain images from 19th atlases, old US govt publications, and given complete details of the source - they were rejected BECAUSE i included the words 'public domain' - i had to resubmit without those words, no other changes and they were accepted

RacePhoto · « **Reply #41 on:** March 17, 2012, 20:13 »

Quote from: cascoly on March 17, 2012, 15:59

>>>>>>
"When submitting public domain images, submit them for commercial use and provide us with the source name, country, year, and creator and a property release."

I don't understand the property release part? Property release for a PD image, from whom?
>>>>>

yes, that property release for a public domain image is oxymoronic

even sillier, i've provided public domain images from 19th atlases, old US govt publications, and given complete details of the source - they were rejected BECAUSE i included the words 'public domain' - i had to resubmit without those words, no other changes and they were accepted

Oh nice tip, thanks if I ever go there again. I've had my fill of the four PD images I wanted to get online, moving on to some video and banging my head against the wall with that now.

If they assign reviewers that would explain how some people are faster. Or if they stack the submissions by acceptance ratio, that would be a reason too.

Video for me, new contributor, took about two weeks. Photos for me take about a week on average, including the weekend.

The only reason I don't think I have the same reviewer is my editorial shots have been all over the map on rejections and acceptance. I had to write in and ask why some were rejected for Caption information, when it was identical to the required format and I used my template, filled in the blanks. Funny thing, a week or so later, they were marked accepted. One that shouldn't have been Editorial was accepted as that?

If I had the same person doing my reviews, he/she would be getting it right, not changing every two weeks.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #42 on:** March 18, 2012, 00:54 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on March 17, 2012, 20:13

If they assign reviewers that would explain how some people are faster. Or if they stack the submissions by acceptance ratio, that would be a reason too.

Video for me, new contributor, took about two weeks. Photos for me take about a week on average, including the weekend.

The only reason I don't think I have the same reviewer is my editorial shots have been all over the map on rejections and acceptance. I had to write in and ask why some were rejected for Caption information, when it was identical to the required format and I used my template, filled in the blanks. Funny thing, a week or so later, they were marked accepted. One that shouldn't have been Editorial was accepted as that?

If I had the same person doing my reviews, he/she would be getting it right, not changing every two weeks.

I'm pretty sure that editorial are in different lines or different reviewers. Anyway who knows, I'm still waiting for mine to be reviewed after 4 days, in the past (for me) for editorial images it was usually a couple of hours, maybe I've been struck off their favourites list

. Maybe it is to do with AR, as my AR on ss I think has been dropping, it's gaining or remaining stable in other places.

Anyway, I think we can pretty much determine that when we submit to ss it isn't first come first served, the difference in review times between us is a lot. As far as I can see, it's first come first served in most other places.

gemmy12 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 18, 2012, 01:39 »

And my waiting period of recent batch has crossed 1 week.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #44 on:** March 18, 2012, 04:38 »

Quote from: stockastic on March 17, 2012, 09:52

Just for you, BT, I'm going to shoot the photo again with a larger aperture and see if I can get an image that is significantly - meaningfully - sharper.

No need to do it for me, but you might like to do it for yourself

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #45 on:** March 18, 2012, 08:07 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 18, 2012, 04:38

Quote from: stockastic on March 17, 2012, 09:52
Just for you, BT, I'm going to shoot the photo again with a larger aperture and see if I can get an image that is significantly - meaningfully - sharper.

No need to do it for me, but you might like to do it for yourself

I think a lot of us use f16/f22 more for dof rather than sharp focus. Isn't that really what the "big numbers" are for?

RacePhoto · « **Reply #46 on:** March 18, 2012, 22:21 »

Quote from: Microstock Posts on March 18, 2012, 00:54

I'm pretty sure that editorial are in different lines or different reviewers. Anyway who knows, I'm still waiting for mine to be reviewed after 4 days, in the past (for me) for editorial images it was usually a couple of hours, maybe I've been struck off their favourites list . Maybe it is to do with AR, as my AR on ss I think has been dropping, it's gaining or remaining stable in other places.

Anyway, I think we can pretty much determine that when we submit to ss it isn't first come first served, the difference in review times between us is a lot. As far as I can see, it's first come first served in most other places.

Yes, Editorial goes to different people as far as I can tell. Same for video. I can have all three waiting and they get reviewed at different times, dates, by file type. Video can take a week longer than RF. I think my editorial jumped through faster last month?

I don't know, but I can't disagree. It's not FIFO, there's some system or maybe it's by server location and people in different places get reviewed by different reviewers. So volumes could vary.

Where I am and if it's on acceptance, or if it's for the USA, my normal, everyday, RF images are taking a week currently.

gemmy12 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 19, 2012, 00:09 »

Quote from: RacePhoto on March 18, 2012, 22:21

Where I am and if it's on acceptance, or if it's for the USA, my normal, everyday, RF images are taking a week currently.

Oh does your review time is in week

? is it normal review period in SS now ?

gbalex · « **Reply #48 on:** March 19, 2012, 10:58 »

Quote from: gemmy12 on March 19, 2012, 00:09

Quote from: RacePhoto on March 18, 2012, 22:21

Where I am and if it's on acceptance, or if it's for the USA, my normal, everyday, RF images are taking a week currently.

Oh does your review time is in week ? is it normal review period in SS now ?

My last batch was reviewed in an hour. I think we are assigned to a small group of reviewers, maybe based on location or server. I think there have been some delays because they are making changes to the site/servers.

RacePhoto · « **Reply #49 on:** March 19, 2012, 12:00 »

Quote from: gbalex on March 19, 2012, 10:58

Quote from: gemmy12 on March 19, 2012, 00:09
Quote from: RacePhoto on March 18, 2012, 22:21

Where I am and if it's on acceptance, or if it's for the USA, my normal, everyday, RF images are taking a week currently.

Oh does your review time is in week ? is it normal review period in SS now ?

My last batch was reviewed in an hour. I think we are assigned to a small group of reviewers, maybe based on location or server. I think there have been some delays because they are making changes to the site/servers.

I think you are correct and I believe that's what I was trying to say. All except mine would say one week, instead of one hour...

Maybe they read the forum and saw all the messages where I said, I don't care? I only took the photo yesterday afternoon, what's the rush?

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