Quote from: Minsc on June 01, 2020, 12:42

Since they're destroying our livelihood, let's take their online reputation down a few notches. I've complied a list of sites where you can file a report against company or leave a review.

It would be great is someone knew blogs, websites, magazines that graphic designers and marketing companies read. And get them to write articles.

I don't know any of such. So far my small contribution to the matter was telling 3 graphic designer friends to consider using some other service at their companies if they can.

@adage @adweek @marketingweeked @CommArts

Their trustpilot *from customers* is atrocious.

But realistically the only way is to talk to the buyers.  Commenting on their own FB etc will do nothing.  They expect it, theyre ready for it and they're already deleting posts as fast as they can.  You need to g direct to the buyers.

And yes, use TOR and other anonymous tools - they ARE actively culling accounts of people who speak out (and it seems keeping the earnings).

And how do we reach a large percentage of the roughly 200k contributors? Maybe 5000-6000 are aware today. If 100k were aware (or more) and willing to deactivate ports THAT would impact both the 330m images and also buyers. To me the way we control SS is thru content because WE own that part of their business. Some contributors who don�t follow MSG or SS forums or SS FB will recognize a drop in income and perhaps become curious as to why and do some homework. But a lot really never understand what happened unless we can reach them.

Yes perfect let us flood there online reputation!  Every comment counts!
PS: Don't forget to click there Goggle ads. One click double hit!

Quote from: Minsc on June 01, 2020, 12:42

Since they're destroying our livelihood, let's take their online reputation down a few notches. I've complied a list of sites where you can file a report against company or leave a review.

Better Business Bureau
https://www.bbb.org/us/ny/new-york/profile/digital-media/shutterstock-inc-0121-81420

Review Websites
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.shutterstock.com
https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/shutterstock.com
https://www.g2.com/products/shutterstock-shutterstock/reviews

Social Media
https://www.facebook.com/Shutterstock/
https://twitter.com/Shutterstock
https://www.youtube.com/user/ShutterstockInc/featured

I don't recommend using your real account for comments on social media. They may be able to trace it back to you and disable your account. But we shouldn't let up. Let's leave reviews on all these websites and hammer their social media.

Has the game changed from forcing Shutterstock to the negotiating table to damaging their reputation and bussiness and moving on to pastures new. I am all for moving on and hope the buyers follow, but many here would prefer the former choice.  This kind of destruction instead of uniting us puts us in two camps.

Unity destruction of SS

The way to hurt them is to contact design agencies and ask them to stop using shutterstock.
Tell every designer you know.

Also pressure companies that have partnerships with them.
These are a few that are listed on shutterstock website.

Great idea specially if you are a shareholder of one of these companies! It is a shame to work with Shitstock.

Quote from: Minsc on June 01, 2020, 12:42

Since they're destroying our livelihood, let's take their online reputation down a few notches. I've complied a list of sites where you can file a report against company or leave a review.

Better Business Bureau
https://www.bbb.org/us/ny/new-york/profile/digital-media/shutterstock-inc-0121-81420

Review Websites
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.shutterstock.com
https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/shutterstock.com
https://www.g2.com/products/shutterstock-shutterstock/reviews

Social Media
https://www.facebook.com/Shutterstock/
https://twitter.com/Shutterstock
https://www.youtube.com/user/ShutterstockInc/featured

I don't recommend using your real account for comments on social media. They may be able to trace it back to you and disable your account. But we shouldn't let up. Let's leave reviews on all these websites and hammer their social media.

Has the game changed from forcing Shutterstock to the negotiating table to damaging their reputation and bussiness and moving on to pastures new. I am all for moving on and hope the buyers follow, but many here would prefer the former choice.  This kind of destruction instead of uniting us puts us in two camps.

I don't think it is splitting us at all. I am all for trying to get a better deal. But the sad fact is that they absolutely will not move on this without some serious pressure. This is that pressure.

They are a publicly traded company. They literally must, by law, act only in the interest of their shareholders. The only way they can/ will give us a better deal is if it is made clear that their share price will suffer if they don't. That is all there is to it.

Quote from: microvideo on June 01, 2020, 16:29

The way to hurt them is to contact design agencies and ask them to stop using shutterstock.
Tell every designer you know.

Also pressure companies that have partnerships with them.
These are a few that are listed on shutterstock website.

Great idea specially if you are a shareholder of one of these companies! It is a shame to work with Shitstock.

"Hi, I would like to unsubscribe from your Netflix channel while you continue to feed on shutterstock images and videos. This agency exploits and discriminates against us, abusing a situation of power that has damaged my economy."

Quote from: Minsc on June 01, 2020, 12:42

Since they're destroying our livelihood, let's take their online reputation down a few notches. I've complied a list of sites where you can file a report against company or leave a review.

Better Business Bureau
https://www.bbb.org/us/ny/new-york/profile/digital-media/shutterstock-inc-0121-81420

Review Websites
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.shutterstock.com
https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/shutterstock.com
https://www.g2.com/products/shutterstock-shutterstock/reviews

Social Media
https://www.facebook.com/Shutterstock/
https://twitter.com/Shutterstock
https://www.youtube.com/user/ShutterstockInc/featured

I don't recommend using your real account for comments on social media. They may be able to trace it back to you and disable your account. But we shouldn't let up. Let's leave reviews on all these websites and hammer their social media.

Has the game changed from forcing Shutterstock to the negotiating table to damaging their reputation and bussiness and moving on to pastures new. I am all for moving on and hope the buyers follow, but many here would prefer the former choice.  This kind of destruction instead of uniting us puts us in two camps.

If you we nothing, then this earning schedule will become permanent. We obviously don't want them to go under. We want them to survive, but we also want a better share of the revenue.

If we start attacking their reputation online, put pressure on them, there's a chance they may increase the percentages for the entire table. That's what I'm hoping for, but to give up and allow to the get away with it is going hurt everyone in the long run.

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 01, 2020, 16:54

Quote from: obj owl on June 01, 2020, 16:20

Quote from: Minsc on June 01, 2020, 12:42

Since they're destroying our livelihood, let's take their online reputation down a few notches. I've complied a list of sites where you can file a report against company or leave a review.

Better Business Bureau
https://www.bbb.org/us/ny/new-york/profile/digital-media/shutterstock-inc-0121-81420

Review Websites
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.shutterstock.com
https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/shutterstock.com
https://www.g2.com/products/shutterstock-shutterstock/reviews

Social Media
https://www.facebook.com/Shutterstock/
https://twitter.com/Shutterstock
https://www.youtube.com/user/ShutterstockInc/featured

I don't recommend using your real account for comments on social media. They may be able to trace it back to you and disable your account. But we shouldn't let up. Let's leave reviews on all these websites and hammer their social media.

Has the game changed from forcing Shutterstock to the negotiating table to damaging their reputation and bussiness and moving on to pastures new. I am all for moving on and hope the buyers follow, but many here would prefer the former choice.  This kind of destruction instead of uniting us puts us in two camps.

I don't think it is splitting us at all. I am all for trying to get a better deal. But the sad fact is that they absolutely will not move on this without some serious pressure. This is that pressure.

They are a publicly traded company. They literally must, by law, act only in the interest of their shareholders. The only way they can/ will give us a better deal is if it is made clear that their share price will suffer if they don't. That is all there is too it.

and if you succeed with those tactics you will be killing your golden goose not that it bothers me, but others might want the goose to survive.

The goose is not golden anymore, more like rusty iron goose and it's ready for recycling.

Quote from: obj owl on June 01, 2020, 17:01

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 01, 2020, 16:54

Quote from: obj owl on June 01, 2020, 16:20

Quote from: Minsc on June 01, 2020, 12:42

Since they're destroying our livelihood, let's take their online reputation down a few notches. I've complied a list of sites where you can file a report against company or leave a review.

Better Business Bureau
https://www.bbb.org/us/ny/new-york/profile/digital-media/shutterstock-inc-0121-81420

Review Websites
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.shutterstock.com
https://www.sitejabber.com/reviews/shutterstock.com
https://www.g2.com/products/shutterstock-shutterstock/reviews

Social Media
https://www.facebook.com/Shutterstock/
https://twitter.com/Shutterstock
https://www.youtube.com/user/ShutterstockInc/featured

I don't recommend using your real account for comments on social media. They may be able to trace it back to you and disable your account. But we shouldn't let up. Let's leave reviews on all these websites and hammer their social media.

Has the game changed from forcing Shutterstock to the negotiating table to damaging their reputation and bussiness and moving on to pastures new. I am all for moving on and hope the buyers follow, but many here would prefer the former choice.  This kind of destruction instead of uniting us puts us in two camps.

I don't think it is splitting us at all. I am all for trying to get a better deal. But the sad fact is that they absolutely will not move on this without some serious pressure. This is that pressure.

They are a publicly traded company. They literally must, by law, act only in the interest of their shareholders. The only way they can/ will give us a better deal is if it is made clear that their share price will suffer if they don't. That is all there is too it.

and if you succeed with those tactics you will be killing your golden goose not that it bothers me, but others might want the goose to survive.

The goose is not golden anymore, more like rusty iron goose and it's ready for recycling.

This goose is ready for dinner cause she destroys our prices. SS is dead long live Adobe!

I'd agree.  Complaining about SS from the contributor side of things is very unlikely to accomplish anything.  They'd have planned and factored this in.

The only way to actually make a point is hit the company *customer* side and stock price side.  That is the only bit thats important to them.

If contributors go, to them no problem.  There are plenty more.

If BUYERS start to go thats different.

So a campaign to communicate the issues to current and potential buyers and customers is likely to be more effective than anything contributor side.

Of course, most buyers dont think of or care about contributors.  They just want the right image at lowest possible price so its hard.

Of course, most buyers dont think of or care about contributors.  They just want the right image at lowest possible price so its hard.

Can't really blame the customers. Everyone would buy the best quality at the lowest possible price. Up to contributors to make sure that those "right" images are not available on agencies that treat their contributors as trash. Also very hard, because meanwhile SS's database has 325 million images, covering different varieties of any commercially relevant topic. They can survive on this for the next coming months In addition, there will always be contributors willing to sell out for 10$c, or even for free (looking at Unsplash for instance) and SS will make sure that newer trends are covered by image mills offering them different deals or incentives.

So yeah, it's hard.

Up to us to adjust, because SS is determined and as I said before: don't think they didn't think this through and didn't calculate the risk.
There's still a market for certain niches, editorials and content that studio image mills or mass production contributors are not able to create.
Don't give it to SS, but put them on agencies that treat you fair. Customers who really need the image will follow.